|FCG|Frank's 1st Grow: Royal Haze | Area51 LED, CO2, Bubbleponics

Scotch089

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Were you just...bored? There's hundreds of books out there.

I have a 2x2' pegboard in the 5x10 room my cabs are in that I jot notes about nutes and tac em up on, along with a dry erase calendar and shelving. Keeps my peace of mind.. designing is a blast, i love customizing and building the grow room; easily one my favorite parts, bust out the graph on the ipad and draw layouts, it rocks.

Keep designing new spaces, that'll keep you busy.

Till then, how's the kids?
 

|FCG|Frank

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Were you just...bored?
Well let's see. My girlfriend wanted to go club which usually I'd be happy to do but my colitis is flaring like a fucking bitch on wheels now and it has me shitting blood every hour, on the clock. Literally. Not to mention the pain and cramps. So my beloved is clubbing with some girlfriends and I stayed home to plan my gardens. :bigjoint:


There's hundreds of books out there.
And 99% of them are bad. I lost a lot of time reading the bad ones. Found a few good ones. I had actually read an old edition of Rosenthal's book but didn't remember the name since the cover was so different.

Till then, how's the kids?
Which ones?
 

Scotch089

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lol sensing an attitude??

sorry to hear about your issues.

yea i know, we recommended the 1%.

How old are they? I am expecting my first in T-minus 8 weeks.

Now for the other kids.
 

Scotch089

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Tell me about your 4x8 design, I enjoy hearing ppl's rig- each one is custom fit and always has its own nitch. I have one blueprinted out, (4x8') just have to get the cellar light and water proofed then ill be slowly converting. Electric bill will take a hike though..
 

|FCG|Frank

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lol sensing an attitude??

sorry to hear about your issues.

yea i know, we recommended the 1%.

How old are they? I am expecting my first in T-minus 8 weeks.

Now for the other kids.
What? :lol: I think you have me confused with someone else.

Growing Elite Marijuana wasn't a bad read either but eventually all grow books will repeat the same things. It's all about the presentation imho :bigjoint:

Still, no book that I have read has covered DWC or RDWC in any lenght. Hydro is usually brushed over.

There is a need and a place for a specialized hydro book right now. Hint hint! :)
 

Scotch089

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I've noticed that as well, though the most recent book I've purchased walks you through how to build a "bubbleponic tub" (o so complicated..)

Just checked, copywrite in 2010. wasn't really impressed cus all the books say the same shit, but it did delve a little deeper than most; and was much more up to date with tech (led's, hydro, the actual botany of cannabis, etc)

I havnt seen any books with Recirculating systems incorporated, but there's a few on here and a couple other forums to pull from.
 

|FCG|Frank

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Tell me about your 4x8 design, I enjoy hearing ppl's rig- each one is custom fit and always has its own nitch. I have one blueprinted out, (4x8') just have to get the cellar light and water proofed then ill be slowly converting. Electric bill will take a hike though..
I received word from my doc and I've been approved in the MMAR for 16 plants. Now I know my grow will be legal and I'll be able to sell some of my product (legal growers get put in touch with medical patients by the program). The law does not put a maximum on how much you can harvest per plant, so I will be maximizing the harvest out of every plant. My current plan is to have 4 grow areas, each in its sealed tent (except the mother tent) and scrog'd for full effect.

Grow Area 1 - 2x4 tent - 2 Plants
This is my current area. It's 100% stealth in a closet because back then I wasn't sure I'd get my card. It'll stay there.
For its next grows I'll be growing a medical strain, high in CBD content. For my personal stash mostly. Not sure which yet, though.

I'll keep the DWC setup for now.

Grow Area 2 - 4x6 tent - 6 Plants

Kali Mist

The whole shabang:
Sealed tent
Induction (two IndaGro 420 if I like how my PAR200 does well in this grow) + some kind of red 660nm LED supplementation in bloom if indagro's new red LED add-on isn't out.
DIY 6 buckets RDWC
CO2
Watercooled AC

I ordered a PAR meter so I'll carefully check what the lights output above canopy and if I'm not measure an even 1000-1200 umol across the canopy I will add a third 420PAR. But I'll have to see how the first two lights do and there's no other way but to measure it myself.

I've researched and compiled the list of parts I'll need for my RDWC under current system. Basically it's a six 5 gallon bucket system with 8" air disc at the bottom of each bucket and 960gph of air (three GH pumps) with a 18 gal control reservoir, chilled and pushed out with a mag7 pump (700gph). Total cost: around 600-700$

This doesn't include any shipping fees. An "equivalent" UC6 system from CCH2O is around 1100$. I say "equivalent" because my setup has twice the water pump power the UC6 has and is much more space efficient. DIY all the way. I already have the tools, drills, bits, etc. from my PC modding days. My current PC is watercooled. The six buckets + control tub will be in tent but the reservoir will sit outside the tent.

The actual tent dimensions are 55.5x78 so I have 30 square feet of surface area for my scrog to cover. 5 sqft per plant is a good measurement I think.

I'll run the whole loop on a 1/4hp chiller but the RDWC res will be cooled by the hydroinnovation coils. The 90gal res is to run the 8" icebox and 8" max-fan HO and the coil. It will also top off the control tub in the tent via a float valve with cold RO water. I can't run the control tub and the 90gal res on the same chiller loop so that's why I'm resorting to watercooled coils. It's cheaper than buying even a 1/15hp chiller just to chill your RDWC system.

I'm very excited for my PAR meter to arrive because I'll be able to compare my Area51 170W to my Indagro 200w side-by-side, taking PAR readings in exact same condition.

LED is probably the future but currently, if you take spectrum, wattage and PAR into consideration induction is probably better buck for the money.


Grow Area 3 - 4x6 tent - 6 Plants


Kali Mist
I'll replicate grow area 2 and time it so I have a perpetual grow.
Grow Area 4 - 2x2 tent - 2 Plants (Mothers)
1x Kali Mist mother
1x Medical-high CBD strain mother

In coco under CFL in ventilated tent.

What are you planning?
 

Scotch089

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OKay...earlier I had typed this whole thing and then my iPad went and died on me, so this is going to be a more concise version, probably for the best as I can rant. Sorry for the delay, usually pretty quick about things.

Like I said my future rig is very similar-

FLOWER

-4x8' tent off of eBay, you can get them for the price of a 3x3 SJ, PTTSH! im all over that.

-3x6' SCROG made of PVC, will have an added 1' surrounding barriar to create more of a BOG style grow that kindve encases the system and plants.

-x2 600w running on Lumatek's and 6" Daystars (already have, loved the footprint for my previous cab but may try Radiants later on) and will be swapping to my 400w 7200k MH bulbs the last 2 weeks of the cycle.

-x1 Hydrofarm 8" fan-lights, x1 Hydrofarm 6"-lights, x1 6" generic fan+filter combo-odor (have the 6's)

-Fans ran on 3 Grozone Multimode TV2's so they are ran exactly how they need (have 2)

-2' 2-bulb T5 fixtures set every 1.5' around the perimeter with 2700/3300k bulbs, might even go PAR aquarium bulbs (~14, have 12 so far, running 4 in my current setup for seeds/clones)

-x4 LED panels total: 2 being Pro Grow 180's (one 2w, one 3w), the 2 others are Spectra 100's (3w)- These are all in my current set up, each runs 144-147 actual watts. They will be hung along the long side of the hoods, one of each brand to each hood for an even colour spread throughout. Hell..I may even throw in my 250w PG in the center to oomph it a bit more if I don't post it on eBay- no use for it right now.

-CO2, of course- with all this light, it's required. (will probably be my next investment)

-I have always had problems keeping my res' warm, so I have a shit ton of aquarium heaters but may be making the investment in a water chiller depending on how it runs. My cellar is pretty perfect (55-60 so far, and great RH)

-Big ass Whynter AC unit, 12,000btu

-RDWC with a central 50 gal trash can.

iiiiiiiii think that covers it. Its pretty cool to see that somebody has the same aspirations as I and it's great to have fellow hobbyist that can shoot the shit, as the ol' lady has a very uneducated idea of how to plant.

Veg, I thought it would be a bit more efficient to veg in this tent with just the LED's or maybe 250, 400w bulbs as this thing is going to be a electricity eatin' hoss, but may end up getting a 5x5 or two

Then run my current two cabs as strictly mother housing, I could run 4 seperate chambers, fitting 3 mothers each and one for cloning and be comfortable, busy, but comfortable.

Thanks for being interested lol. like I said; girl's eye's start to glaze by the time I get to Daystar lol.

Like I said, i am expecting my first in about 2 months, so this will be either a very quick goal, or a long term goal. Either way, my priorities will be in line first and foremost.

EDIT:

Pumps, duh. I forgot I have an excess of sizes and manifolds so I will be mixing up the combinations of 600, 950, and 1440gph pumps. couple of smaller ones but will probably be with my mothers and clones.
 

|FCG|Frank

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Fuck me Jesus. GrowersHouse is running an amazing sale on SolarStorm 800W. 1459$ shipped. After speaking with Darryl at IndaGro and George at CaliforniaWorks I decided to get 2x Solarstorm 800W in the 4x8. Much better PAR per watt. George sent me a 30 pages PDF with detailed info on specs on his lights, and he also used a spectroradiometer for his readings. Of all the lights I researched, he's the only CEO of a LED light manufacturer that has been so transparent.

Darryl wants to sell his red LED pontoons for 645$ each for IndaGro 420 users. Plus the 785$ of a PAR420, we're looking at 1430$. It outputs about 60% less PAR than the Solarstorm but also consumes 35% less power (420W vs 645W in bloom for the SS800W). By the very nature of LED, the SS800W also makes better use of its power because the spectrum is fully modulated to our grower's needs.

However it means I have to get them now since the sale is in January only.
 

|FCG|Frank

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FYI I am restarting the grow tomorrow with pics

Spent 5 hours setting up the tent today, I'm just waiting for one last part that arrives tomorrow.
 

|FCG|Frank

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I had a setback with the cooling system but I am back on track now. I'm testing the full environment overnight and if everything is functional in the morning I'm planting the seeds. My rapid rooter plugs are soaking in pH adjusted water (I know it's not necessary but I got the time).

Expect full journal report tomorrow.
 

|FCG|Frank

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I just planted my seed this morning, after waking up to a perfectly maintained tent atmosphere. My first grow is now officially underway (again).

Pics to follow this afternoon :)
 
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