Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?


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DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
I have been here a while. I am not at all surprised that the crazies outnumber us 3:1.

Welcome to the asylum. Pick up a safety restraint harness and proceed to your keyboard.
Somehow I question the sincerity of your "Welcome" dd so I tell ya what, how about a new SHDT challenge that should smell like cheese to a 'rat' as UB might say...
We only need 100 votes in this poll to make it a viable sampling.
That means about 27 more votes is all the SHDT needs to make me 'go away' forever as you seem to indicate is your desire.
In other words if the poll hits 100 votes I will exit your virtual playground and your team can go running about kicking virtual sand into the virtual abyss as usual.
So if anyone feels like dd and Frank and their keen doctor who's wacky genetic engineering experiments probably resulted in tw, and want's to be DNAprotectionless/free then by all means 'get out the vote' and lets be done with it.
The only rule I can think of that seems applicable would be that all lobbying efforts must remain within the RIU site.
Vote early and often...

tw asks who is tw? turtlewarrior = tw = mutant from gmo experiment = ginjaturtles
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
I respond to your words tw, but you almost never respond directly to mine?




This one in particular...

"Tw, how in the world is it that you don't connect the dots on this kind of stuff?
There is a count down to new federal laws happening and if you were Monsanto lets say and knowing how you had manipulated the corn markets for example, wouldn't it make sense to you to do the same with cannabis only even more so?
Corn didn't start from a position of being illegal.
If corporate interests can keep naturally occurring varieties of cannabis to be considered 'dangerous' and schedule 1 while they step forward with genetically engineered varieties or the promise of such, then congress could act in response to the wa,co laws by passing federal laws that would require states to conform to the new regulated 'source' of the seed etc...
Its simply 'good' business practice for biotech leaders like Monsanto.
Shoot for it all is what I would do if I were them right now, in other words the best case business scenario in a cut throat capitalist culture.
It only makes sense that a corps like Monsanto would also fund efforts like "andrew"s etc in the count down to such laws.
Its exactly the tactics of Hurst and DuPont et al back in the count down to the marijuana tax act.
After the tax act was passed some of those same corporate interests were involved with the USDA's effort to contract farmers and supply hemp seed to be grown for the war effort in 1942, and one had to contact and grow federal approved/distributed seed.
Now with patentable genetics in reach, the corporate and federal interests could take over the entire source of 'legal' seed to be then supplied to the states who desire to use cannabis in whatever way...
"
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thats a bunch of assumptions

answered are you happy now?
 

greenswag

Well-Known Member
Somehow I question the sincerity of your "Welcome" dd so I tell ya what, how about a new SHDT challenge that should smell like cheese to a 'rat' as UB might say...
We only need 100 votes in this poll to make it a viable sampling.
That means about 27 more votes is all the SHDT needs to make me 'go away' forever as you seem to indicate is your desire.
In other words if the poll hits 100 votes I will exit your virtual playground and your team can go running about kicking virtual sand into the virtual abyss as usual.
So if anyone feels like dd and Frank and their keen doctor who's wacky genetic engineering experiments probably resulted in tw, and want's to be DNAprotectionless/free then by all means 'get out the vote' and lets be done with it.
The only rule I can think of that seems applicable would be that all lobbying efforts must remain within the RIU site.
Vote early and often...

tw asks who is tw? turtlewarrior = tw = mutant from gmo experiment = ginjaturtles
Does he use the staff or the nunchucks?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I'm not against learning and 'trying' as you state you are in support of cn, I'm simply stating that in my opinion these efforts necessarily should be extremely regulated and highly contained at this time so as to not 'accidentally' or otherwise infringe on the inherent rights of all.
Ultimately quis custodiet custodes? Extreme regulation by whom? How do we assure that these regulators are and remain fair, benign and without antitechnical bias? I see great liability of regulation by decree, like they do with discretionary intoxicants. cn
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Somehow I question the sincerity of your "Welcome" dd so I tell ya what, how about a new SHDT challenge that should smell like cheese to a 'rat' as UB might say...
We only need 100 votes in this poll to make it a viable sampling.
That means about 27 more votes is all the SHDT needs to make me 'go away' forever as you seem to indicate is your desire.
In other words if the poll hits 100 votes I will exit your virtual playground and your team can go running about kicking virtual sand into the virtual abyss as usual.
So if anyone feels like dd and Frank and their keen doctor who's wacky genetic engineering experiments probably resulted in tw, and want's to be DNAprotectionless/free then by all means 'get out the vote' and lets be done with it.
The only rule I can think of that seems applicable would be that all lobbying efforts must remain within the RIU site.
Vote early and often...

tw asks who is tw? turtlewarrior = tw = mutant from gmo experiment = ginjaturtles
Your poll isn't in any way relevant to the thread title, and seriously, it counts as viable sampling? No wonder your arguments are based in fantasy land rather than cold, hard science.

An anonymous online poll doesn't count as shit bro.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Ultimately quis custodiet custodes? Extreme regulation by whom? How do we assure that these regulators are and remain fair, benign and without antitechnical bias? I see great liability of regulation by decree, like they do with discretionary intoxicants. cn
The odds seem better that one could trust the cautionary approach even to its greatest extreme then the odds that self interest or profit driven motivation wont get our cart ahead of our horse in terms of the greater risk.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Your poll isn't in any way relevant to the thread title, and seriously, it counts as viable sampling? No wonder your arguments are based in fantasy land rather than cold, hard science.

An anonymous online poll doesn't count as shit bro.
Oh Frank here we go again lol...hard science? Who ever said this sampling was for such?
Its not meant as that kind of representation Frank and why would the reason for the poll matter to you if achieving the 100 votes gets this pig to fly?
Your starting to make me think you want me to stay?
Awe thats sweet Frank, but whats the use of escaping from a Monsanto lab if only to be trapped here with you...please help this pig fly frank...if you really love me you will.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
The odds seem better that one could trust the cautionary approach even to its greatest extreme then the odds that self interest or profit driven motivation wont get our cart ahead of our horse in terms of the greater risk.
So tell us (in your own words), what specifically is this "greater risk" you keep speaking of?
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
I don't want the short version, the "devil is in the details".
Ok Frank, but as you know I am an early riser and therefore i hit the sack early as well, getting to tired to type so promise I will get that worm for ya tomorrow...till then think time machine and the possible different consequences of turning right or left or going strait ahead and the entire chain of events which is then transformed by any particular decision in any given moment and how a time machine might be a dangerous thing if one didn't know exactly what one was doing every second...such is as genetic engineering, it can create a domino effect that can be irreversibly devastating.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Ok Frank, but as you know I am an early riser and therefore i hit the sack early as well, getting to tired to type so promise I will get that worm for ya tomorrow...till then think time machine and the possible different consequences of turning right or left or going strait ahead and the entire chain of events which is then transformed by any particular decision in any given moment and how a time machine might be a dangerous thing if one didn't know exactly what one was doing every second...such is as genetic engineering, it can create a domino effect that can be irreversibly devastating.
We'll discuss it more when you have time.

Till then.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
We'll discuss it more when you have time.

Till then.
Ok Frank I'm retested and ready postulate.
One thing I've learned about the nature that we are a part of is that there are evolutionary reasons for all life and all the behaviors of such life which in turn means that over billions of years life has evolved and in that process the DNA sequencing of any particular life form is continually transforming based on the demands of the environment that any particular life form struggles to survive in.
Think of the living organisms that make the soil 'alive' or viable in terms of ability to support plant life etc, we apparently don't think of such when we dump things into the soil that would kill such organisms and then we wonder why plants won't grow etc, in response we then add fertilizers etc to try and make plants grow but all the while instead we are just furthering the soils inability to naturally supply the plant, the chain reaction began because we simply didn't understand the soil well enough to start with.
Killing soil is like playing with Lagos compared with genetic engineering and the possible chain reactive effects such could have on life here on earth.
Some might decide that a particular gene etc is of no importance or of no consequence if removed or manipulated in whatever way or replaced with some other gene from a different species of creature or plant etc, yet like with the soil, we simply don't know enough yet to understand what these genetic manipulations might ultimately result in when then put back into the natural processes of evolution.
Nature does what it does in an automatic response based on the 'numbers' it confronts in any given moment and such responses are linked in perpetuity with every other evolving 'number' etc...that calculations of that giant equation are still to us as trying to see and understand the center of our galaxy, let alone the universe.
In other words we are running almost blind into an area that is fraught with land mines and the possibilities that if one mine blows it then will like domino's start setting many more off in the chain reaction.
Don't know the words to use to get this to be understood by you Frank, not saying you should agree, just saying I hope you understand what I'm saying.
One day we might have evolved to a point of better understanding the consequences of our own behavior in all aspects of human life, its then that I believe we will be in a place of possible viable potential to engage this technology if need be to survive.

Try reading this paper, its not as dry as many and gives a certain incite that I think might be helpful.


http://www.evolutionaryethics.com/chapter4.html
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Ok Frank I'm retested and ready postulate.
One thing I've learned about the nature that we are a part of is that there are evolutionary reasons for all life and all the behaviors of such life which in turn means that over billions of years life has evolved and in that process the DNA sequencing of any particular life form is continually transforming based on the demands of the environment that any particular life form struggles to survive in.
Think of the living organisms that make the soil 'alive' or viable in terms of ability to support plant life etc, we apparently don't think of such when we dump things into the soil that would kill such organisms and then we wonder why plants won't grow etc, in response we then add fertilizers etc to try and make plants grow but all the while instead we are just furthering the soils inability to naturally supply the plant, the chain reaction began because we simply didn't understand the soil well enough to start with.
Killing soil is like playing with Lagos compared with genetic engineering and the possible chain reactive effects such could have on life here on earth.
Some might decide that a particular gene etc is of no importance or of no consequence if removed or manipulated in whatever way or replaced with some other gene from a different species of creature or plant etc, yet like with the soil, we simply don't know enough yet to understand what these genetic manipulations might ultimately result in when then put back into the natural processes of evolution.
Nature does what it does in an automatic response based on the 'numbers' it confronts in any given moment and such responses are linked in perpetuity with every other evolving 'number' etc...that calculations of that giant equation are still to us as trying to see and understand the center of our galaxy, let alone the universe.
In other words we are running almost blind into an area that is fraught with land mines and the possibilities that if one mine blows it then will like domino's start setting many more off in the chain reaction.
Don't know the words to use to get this to be understood by you Frank, not saying you should agree, just saying I hope you understand what I'm saying.
One day we might have evolved to a point of better understanding the consequences of our own behavior in all aspects of human life, its then that I believe we will be in a place of possible viable potential to engage this technology if need be to survive.

Try reading this paper, its not as dry as many and gives a certain incite that I think might be helpful.


http://www.evolutionaryethics.com/chapter4.html
I don't want the short version, the "devil is in the details".
I came back to write more on this to you because you are exactly correct above, the "devil" is in the details or lack there of one might say.
Frank, I keep mentally going through ways to better explain this...maybe think in physical terms of us and everything else living as 'interactive chemical factories' (for lack of better words lol) and that every little thing about us no matter how miniscule from behavior to you name it can be represented by an 'interactive chemical reaction' lets say and that if converted into numbers it represents an equation that is seemingly endless...every life form represents a number...everything about every and each particular life form represents 'chemical numbers' that in each case are in total still beyond our ability to count...everything about each particular life form in terms of 'chemical numbers' then interacts with the 'chemical numbers' of whatever other particular life forms 'chemical numbers' which then creates more new numbers based on all the previous numbers interacting and so on into seemingly infinity one might say.
So now here we are trying to build genetic equations from a position first of not even beginning to know all the numbers in the existing equation of ourselves, let alone the numbers of all else that exists which we live in symbiotic dependent relationships with, and then we are still missing all the chemical numbers representing those symbiotic relationships which in turn are dependent on other like relationships in a seemingly endless chain of life etc.
If we expect to get the equation right or viable then we need to know all the numbers first Frank because missing one seemingly insignificant number in this equation could have devastating effects. I hope I'm making sense to ya at least whether you agree or not because not sure how else to explain at this point...
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
We'll discuss it more when you have time.

Till then.
Haven't heard back from you on this and wondering if your still thinking on it or if maybe have just abandoned your effort here?
In case your still contemplating your response to my response, I thought I would toss in just a bit more on chain reaction...
There was a time when the usa gov policy was to kill bison because many 'Indians' were dependent on such for life, the notion was if you kill the bison the Indians will die in turn.
Of course the most obvious result of such behavior is that you lose both the bison and the Indians and whatever they had to bring to the table of survival and viability etc.
The usa gov continued such thinking in efforts to aid ranchers to safeguard 'cattle' from predators and so placed bounties on wolf ears and such...chain reactive result was that the rodent population explodes and such critters, especially rabbits then deplete the grass lands that the ranchers cattle were to have eaten, thus creating a shortage of food for all etc.
The point is that such thinking and approaches are still in play today whether speaking of govs or corps and if such reasoning is then applied to genetic engineering the chain reactive effects can be far greater in terms of possible harm to us all.
Here are some examples of modern day considerations of the 'bad' gene or 'predator problem' and how the thinking has not changed:


  1. [h=3]Wildlife Services' deadly force opens Pandora's box of - The ...[/h]www.sacbee.com/2012/04/30/.../wildllife-services-deadly-force.html
    Apr 30, 2012 – But like a mirage, the dream of protecting deer by killing predators has ... set off a chain reaction of unintended, often negative consequences.




  2. [h=3]Predator Defense - The USDA Wildlife Services' War on Wildlife[/h]www.predatordefense.org/USDA.htm
    USDA Wildlife Services is the only federal program that kills native predators at ... a chain reaction of unintended, often negative, environmental consequences.




  3. [PDF] [h=3]Why Healthy Oceans Need Sharks as Predators Prey - Oceana[/h]oceana.org/sites/default/.../Predators_as_Prey_FINAL_FINAL.pdf
    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
    by WHON Sharks
    Each year, humans kill more than 100 ... Sharks are often the “apex” or top predators in their ecosystems because they have ..... as a result of disruptions resulting from chain reactions in the ecosystem.79 ... densities in a natural environment.




  4. [h=3]Wildlife Services' deadly force brings environmental problems ...[/h]m.spokesman.com/stories/2012/may/27/predation-predicament/
    May 27, 2012 – But like a mirage, the dream of protecting deer by killing predators has ... set off a chain reaction of unintended, often negative consequences.




  5. [h=3]War on Wildlife - Whatcom Watch Online - Story Display[/h]www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=1502
    Millions of animals, disproportionately predators, are killed on public land each .... a chain reaction of unintended, often negative, environmental consequences.




  6. [h=3]Wildlife Services' deadly force brings environmental ... - McClatchy[/h]www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/.../wildlife-services-deadly-force.html
    May 1, 2012 – But like a mirage, the dream of protecting deer by killing predators has ... set off a chain reaction of unintended, often negative consequences.




  7. [h=3]Kruger Kill: Chain Reaction | Safari Interactive Magazine Blog.[/h]blog.africageographic.com › ... › Photography
    May 21, 2012 – Excitement rushed over us at the thought of a nearby predator so we hurried over for ... ... Kruger Kill: Chain Reaction. By Marlon du Toit on 21 ...




  8. [PDF] [h=3]Barcoding generalist predators by polymerase chain reaction ...[/h]ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/182/1/ind43743239.pdf
    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
    by MH Greenstone - 2005 - Cited by 60 - Related articles
    Barcoding generalist predators by polymerase chain reaction: carabids and spiders. M. H. GREENSTONE,* D. L. ROWLEY,* U. HEIMBACH,† J. G. LUNDGREN ...




  9. [h=3]Camilla Fox: Killing Coyotes Not the Solution - Project Coyote[/h]www.projectcoyote.org/newsreleases/news_culling.html
    Bob Grandchamp, in his Op-Ed "Deer herds the victim of a foreign predator" ( BDN, April ... to each other and the natural environment is shortsighted and unscientific. ... Killing coyotes in large numbers can set off ecological chain reactions with ...




  10. [h=3]What are some effects of killing animals[/h]wiki.answers.com › Wiki Answers › Categories › Animal Life
    ... a chain reaction starts and many other creatures and environmental elements ... The food web is a chain where the top predator keeps the lower animals or ...



 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
It's not just "no" from me but HELL NO!! Nothing that Monsanto has ever touched has ever done anything but harm. They have poisoned thousands of people in third world countries. Just look at what their SHIT seeds have done to the soybean, wheat, barley and other farmers. They have the worst blood-sucking lawyers in the law business. If I could put a bullet in the heads (metaphorically speaking of course) of every single Monsanto employee, I would and not have one single regret over it.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It's not just "no" from me but HELL NO!! Nothing that Monsanto has ever touched has ever done anything but harm. They have poisoned thousands of people in third world countries. Just look at what their SHIT seeds have done to the soybean, wheat, barley and other farmers. They have the worst blood-sucking lawyers in the law business. If I could put a bullet in the heads of every single Monsanto employee, I would and not have one single regret over it.
But if you read the OP, the cannabis in the title is a lure. The proposal is much wider-ranging than that and boils down to "stop all genetic engineering". cn
 
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