How many of you are going to bitch about Obama care after 2016?

[ginjawarrior]

In order for the government to "take care of" anyone, they must first take something from others right ?

Excuse me sir, but please pass the crispy bombed baby and could you have one of the prisoners bring me a glass of water?

I have to ask you AGAIN, why you support taking from people to pay for injustice and murder? THAT represents the best place in the world? You seem caught in some kind of analogy and have failed to answer why you go along with this....

i like the bombing babies/ the injustice appeal to emotion/ strawman you got going there

is the usa government going out of its way to bomb babies?



is this something that just started happening?

your country has been bombing countries (and unfortunately due to collateral damage civilians) since you were a little boy

your country has been imprisoning people above and beyond any other country since you were a little boy

it didnt seem to put you off your food during all that time

is this something that you just noticed now you got your money that you dont want taxed?


your one trick pony argument of taxation is theft Does not stand up for the burnt babies or the falsely imprisoned

it is an attempt to weasel out of paying for the advantages you've received by living there

and when i say living there i mean supporting the baby bombing and false imprisonment by proxy of contributing to your countries economy (notice i say economy and not taxes)

 

[Rob Roy]

You can feel that way, but I think it's selfish of you.

Sure, there will be people that take more out of the system than what they put in, but that's true of everything in life. I'm fine with the "take care of yourself" approach to a lot of things, but I have a tough time accepting that someone could do everything right in life, work their ass off, and then be whipped out in the blink of an eye over medical bills. Again, peoples health and well being should be more important to us as a society than profit and greed .... otherwise we are no better than some of the third world shit-holes we mock.

If you look at the raw numbers, we spend roughly $7,500 per person per year on healthcare. Canada on the other hand spends less than half that, has better outcomes by every metric imaginable, and covers EVERYONE. Can you not get past your angst for everything government, and just look at the data?

Numbers don't lie.

Which charitable organizations do you volunteer your time with ?

 

[st0wandgrow]

Which charitable organizations do you volunteer your time with ?

I've done a lot of charitable work over the years .... why?

 

[Mr Neutron]

You can feel that way, but I think it's selfish of you.

Sure, there will be people that take more out of the system than what they put in, but that's true of everything in life. I'm fine with the "take care of yourself" approach to a lot of things, but I have a tough time accepting that someone could do everything right in life, work their ass off, and then be whipped out in the blink of an eye over medical bills. Again, peoples health and well being should be more important to us as a society than profit and greed .... otherwise we are no better than some of the third world shit-holes we mock.

If you look at the raw numbers, we spend roughly $7,500 per person per year on healthcare. Canada on the other hand spends less than half that, has better outcomes by every metric imaginable, and covers EVERYONE. Can you not get past your angst for everything government, and just look at the data?

Numbers don't lie.

It selfish of me that I am against theft?

YOU may mock third world shit holes, as you put it, I do not. Please, do not lump me in with the "holier than thou" crowd.

How about the person that wiped out by a fradulent tax system? Is that any better than getting wiped out by exorbitant health care costs?

Obamacare does nothing to address healthcare, it is just another tax scheme with a big wet kiss for the insurance companies.

If there are some who get more than they put in, consequently there are some who put in more than others, right? You don't seem too concerned about them.

 

[st0wandgrow]

It selfish of me that I am against theft?

YOU may mock third world shit holes, as you put it, I do not. Please, do not lump me in with the "holier than thou" crowd.

How about the person that wiped out by a fradulent tax system? Is that any better than getting wiped out by exorbitant health care costs?

Obamacare does nothing to address healthcare, it is just another tax scheme with a big wet kiss for the insurance companies.

If there are some who get more than they put in, consequently there are some who put in more than others, right? You don't seem too concerned about them.

I'm not saying that Obamacare addresses anything. Just the opposite.

And yes, some will put in more than others. In a single payer system i HOPE that I put in less than I take out, because if I don't I'm likely dying of a very shitty, expensive disease.

Are you really so selfish that the thought of you paying more in to a system than someone else may leads you to say "fuck em if they can't afford it .... let them die?"

 

[Rob Roy]

i like the bombing babies/ the injustice appeal to emotion/ strawman you got going there

is the usa government going out of its way to bomb babies?






is this something that just started happening?

your country has been bombing countries (and unfortunately due to collateral damage civilians) since you were a little boy

your country has been imprisoning people above and beyond any other country since you were a little boy

it didnt seem to put you off your food during all that time

is this something that you just noticed now you got your money that you dont want taxed?


your one trick pony argument of taxation is theft Does not stand up for the burnt babies or the falsely imprisoned

it is an attempt to weasel out of paying for the advantages you've received by living there

and when i say living there i mean supporting the baby bombing and false imprisonment by proxy of contributing to your countries economy (notice i say economy and not taxes)

I'm happy to pay for things I use, not so happy to pay for things that harm others or make peaceful people pay for injustice or things they want nothing to do with. You seem caught in a paradigm of what is, is all that is possible. If my reluctance to pay for harming others is weaseling out, I think you miss my point.

So you are okay with paying to kill children ? Why?

 

[Rob Roy]

I've done a lot of charitable work over the years .... why?

Thanks for helping others voluntarily.

 

[ginjawarrior]

I'm happy to pay for things I use, not so happy to pay for things that harm others or make peaceful people pay for injustice or things they want nothing to do with. You seem caught in a paradigm of what is, is all that is possible. If my reluctance to pay for harming others is weaseling out, I think you miss my point.

So you are okay with paying to kill children ? Why?

show me the effort to kill children that im supposed to be supporting??

perhaps you were trying to ask a less loaded question than that

maybe "do you support the war on terror in its current form?"

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm not saying that Obamacare addresses anything. Just the opposite.

And yes, some will put in more than others. In a single payer system i HOPE that I put in less than I take out, because if I don't I'm likely dying of a very shitty, expensive disease.

Are you really so selfish that the thought of you paying more in to a system than someone else may leads you to say "fuck em if they can't afford it .... let them die?"

It seems that selfish people might be the ones trying to tell other people how to run their lives.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I'm happy to pay for things I use, not so happy to pay for things that harm others or make peaceful people pay for injustice or things they want nothing to do with. You seem caught in a paradigm of what is, is all that is possible. If my reluctance to pay for harming others is weaseling out, I think you miss my point.

So you are okay with paying to kill children ? Why?

I see what you're saying. I'm no fan of the war we create either, but until a system is put in place that allows us to earmark every penny we pay to be put towards only the things we want our dollars spent on, what are the alternatives?

 

[Rob Roy]

show me the effort to kill children that im supposed to be supporting??

perhaps you were trying to ask a less loaded question than that

maybe "do you support the war on terror in its current form?"

How many children in IRAQ did U.S. bombs kill in the last few years? Ever heard of the My Lai massacre? Nagasaki or Hiroshima ring a bell? How about Wounded Knee?

 

[Rob Roy]

I see what you're saying. I'm no fan of the war we create either, but until a system is put in place that allows us to earmark every penny we pay to be put towards only the things we want our dollars spent on, what are the alternatives?

Thanks for asking. Start with an understanding of the non initiation of aggression principle, adopt it as a core philosophy...then try to live by it as best you can. Peace.

 

[st0wandgrow]

It seems that selfish people might be the ones trying to tell other people how to run their lives.

Believing that a basic social safety net should cover peoples health and well being is selfish? Me saying that I'm OK with paying in to a system that will insure that if my neighbor comes down with a terminal illness he and his family will be covered .... even if I don't utilize the system once, I'm still OK with it.

That's selfish?

 

[ginjawarrior]

How many children in IRAQ did U.S. bombs kill in the last few years? Ever heard of the My Lai massacre? Nagasaki or Hiroshima ring a bell? How about Wounded Knee?

oh yes i remember those wars they were set about with the objective to kill as many children as possible in fact that was the only objective of the war

to bomb children

so i take it now that the usa is no longer on its "kill children" campaign in iraq you have no problem paying taxes?

i think your getting a bit lost in your hyperbole there rob (especially as you continue to support your countries actions by staying in it)

 

[Rob Roy]

Believing that a basic social safety net should cover peoples health and well being is selfish? Me saying that I'm OK with paying in to a system that will insure that if my neighbor comes down with a terminal illness he and his family will be covered .... even if I don't utilize the system once, I'm still OK with it.

That's selfish?

Nope. You can and should be able to speak for yourself. You or a group of others should not be able to make decisions for others though without their consent and with the threat of force behind it. THAT is selfish.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Nope. You can and should be able to speak for yourself. You or a group of others should not be able to make decisions for others though without their consent and with the threat of force behind it. THAT is selfish.

rob your back to the not paying for your dinner arguemnt

 

[ChesusRice]

How many children in IRAQ did U.S. bombs kill in the last few years? Ever heard of the My Lai massacre? Nagasaki or Hiroshima ring a bell? How about Wounded Knee?

I dont give a rats fuck about other countries people only mine.
I really think you need to move. At the very least get a mental health evaluation

 

[Rob Roy]

oh yes i remember those wars they were set about with the objective to kill as many children as possible in fact that was the only objective of the war

to bomb children

so i take it now that the usa is no longer on its "kill children" campaign in iraq you have no problem paying taxes?

i think your getting a bit lost in your hyperbole there rob (especially as you continue to support your countries actions by staying in it)

Physically being in a place is not an active act of support, but paying for bombs to kill kids is. By being in the USA are you saying you support pot prohibition?

 

[st0wandgrow]

Nope. You can and should be able to speak for yourself. You or a group of others should not be able to make decisions for others though without their consent and with the threat of force behind it. THAT is selfish.

Well, without the threat of "force", human nature would not allow such a system to work. Humans are selfish and greedy by nature.

If there is no mandate, we would be left with a country where only a handful of wealthy folks would have access to basic health care. THAT seems selfish to me.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Physically being in a place is not an active act of support, but paying for bombs to kill kids is. By being in the USA are you saying you support pot prohibition?

the bombs arent being built to kill kids thats just irrational nonsense that TBH you should be old enough to know better

i've never set foot in the usa in my life