Club 600

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

Lol, thx d. I like to take a census every couple of years. Recently i see a lot of grows in the grow journals forum where they are really not letting them dry much at all. Or maybe i just wait too long. I always thought the inch, or few inches down rule was way too early.

 

[jigfresh]

I thought you were supposed let them dry out to almost nothing before watering again?

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

I do, But i used to let them dry to the point of wilting. I was really wondering this time because i want to know if drying completely out will kill off my microbes and such.

 

[fatboyOGOF]

how tall do you grow them out? Anyone? I'd like to hear your opinions if you have a chance.

How dry do you all let your girls get before you water again, soil people of course.

mine usually end up averaging a bit under 3 feet. this current batch got away from me and even after bending them over and topping i'm still over 3 foot tall for most of them and i think they will stretch a bit more. although i've had a few small yeilds from my 600, that was due to me messing up or trying crosses that turned out to be poor yeilders.

my first 3 yeilds and my last 3 yeilds have all been great under a 600 but next time i'm going to work on keeping them shorter. i want to see what it looks like if i only let them get to be around 2 feet tall. i end up cutting much of the bottom stuff so it's a waste to grow as tall as i do and a bit of a pain with a 600. i do love how they look though.

i've decided to top (something i rarely do) and super crop (something i used to do but stopped), to keep them low and wide next time.

as far as watering goes, i use a count when i water. i start pouring and count. a 40 count will over saturate a 3 gallon grow bag. i sometimes only give them a 25 count due to lazyness or i want them to dry out a bit quicker. i pack way too many plants into my tent though, which is why a few on the edges don't dry out as quick as others unless i rearrange them every couple of days. i'd much prefer to whip up 6 gallons of nutes than 9 or 10. i'm really lazy.

i used a 1000 watt for most of my grows so being a bit under 3 feet was fine. oddly enough, it still seems to be ok, i just want to see a shorter grow for once.

do you guys saturate your pots on each watering/feeding? you'll do a face palm, but i rarely water until 10% or whatever leaks out. 16 or 17 oz each of the last 3 grows. what can i say... lol

 

[ghb]

i wouldn't recommend letting them wilt but then i know nothing about soil growing. when the plant wilts all of the cells that make the plant rigid will be damaged slightly and will never fully recover.this hurts your yield and can even cause diseases and rot.

obv you don't let your plants wilt on purpose but the way i see it, once a plant gets a decent root system it is very hard to over-water it. come to think of it i have grown one plant in soil and it kicked ass, had really strong stems where all my coco girls were floppy as hell, so i'm damn near an expert

 

[fatboyOGOF]

i am curous about microbes.

i'm under the impression that if the soil drys thoroughly, not to the point of wilting but just dry and ready for watering, that microbes die off. this keeps me spining trying to decide if i should wait until the meter shows a bit under average wetness or until it shows almost dry. i stick the meter about 1/2 way into the pot. i don't care if the top 2 or 3 inches is dry. i want to know if the middle is wet or not. i think i knew this years ago, but stuff leaks out or mixes with other stuff and i have to relearn. duh.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

mine usually end up averaging a bit under 3 feet. this current batch got away from me and even after bending them over and topping i'm still over 3 foot tall for most of them and i think they will stretch a bit more. although i've had a few small yeilds from my 600, that was due to me messing up or trying crosses that turned out to be poor yeilders.

my first 3 yeilds and my last 3 yeilds have all been great under a 600 but next time i'm going to work on keeping them shorter. i want to see what it looks like if i only let them get to be around 2 feet tall. i end up cutting much of the bottom stuff so it's a waste to grow as tall as i do and a bit of a pain with a 600. i do love how they look though.

i've decided to top (something i rarely do) and super crop (something i used to do but stopped), to keep them low and wide next time.

as far as watering goes, i use a count when i water. i start pouring and count. a 40 count will over saturate a 3 gallon grow bag. i sometimes only give them a 25 count due to lazyness or i want them to dry out a bit quicker. i pack way too many plants into my tent though, which is why a few on the edges don't dry out as quick as others unless i rearrange them every couple of days. i'd much prefer to whip up 6 gallons of nutes than 9 or 10. i'm really lazy.

i used a 1000 watt for most of my grows so being a bit under 3 feet was fine. oddly enough, it still seems to be ok, i just want to see a shorter grow for once.

do you guys saturate your pots on each watering/feeding? you'll do a face palm, but i rarely water until 10% or whatever leaks out. 16 or 17 oz each of the last 3 grows. what can i say... lol

Yea i saturate on every water. Under the 6 i just went from 3 gallon grow bags to 5 gallon grow bags. It takes about 2 1/3 - 3 gallons to saturate and my soil mix is very aerated so i end up watering about every four days. And i like to keep my girls shorter i think around 3-4 feet finishing is perfect for a 600 in a crammed space. due to light intensity.

i wouldn't recommend letting them wilt but then i know nothing about soil growing. when the plant wilts all of the cells that make the plant rigid will be damaged slightly and will never fully recover.this hurts your yield and can even cause diseases and rot.

obv you don't let your plants wilt on purpose but the way i see it, once a plant gets a decent root system it is very hard to over-water it. come to think of it i have grown one plant in soil and it kicked ass, had really strong stems where all my coco girls were floppy as hell, so i'm damn near an expert

yea, i dont do that anymore. Welcome back by the way.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

i am curous about microbes.

i'm under the impression that if the soil drys thoroughly, not to the point of wilting but just dry and ready for watering, that microbes die off. this keeps me spining trying to decide if i should wait until the meter shows a bit under average wetness or until it shows almost dry. i think i knew this years ago, but stuff leaks out or mixes with other stuff and i have to relearn. duh.

Yea same for me. i want to keep my colony thriving if possible, not re-introduce it each time. because i mix my teas up at time for diversity.

 

[ghb]

maybe you heard me say this before, try coco! it's a breeze.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

I bought a brick of coco coir when i first started mixed it with foxfarm and nothing died so i guess i did ok. but isn't coco more like hydro? like can i do organic in coco?

 

[Bobotrank]

Oh the watering conversation... funny how something so simple can become so complex. ME INCLUDED. I used to overwater. Then I'd underwater, letting things dry and almost wilt. Now I jam my finger down there... I'm ok with feeling wetness, moisture if you will, but if it's "soggy" or noticeably wet down there I won't water yet. My fingers are pretty long, so I can get pretty far down there. Did I just say that?

With coco you could use Botanicare or General Organics, T. . .

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

I won't water if i feel moisture. it'll be bone dry. but no wilt lol.

 

[Bobotrank]

Do you rewater with a tea then to rebuild up your microbes?

edit: nevermind, saw your post up there. . . but if you're killing off microbes, good to put them back in, right?

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

Do you rewater with a tea then to rebuild up your microbes?

Yea, and Myco's every other week into the soil.

 

[fatboyOGOF]

maybe you heard me say this before, try coco! it's a breeze.

i looked into coco and basically came away with the idea that it was easier to screw up a coco grow than a soil grow. as in fertilizing problems. salt problems (they have probably figured this one out by now) and other things i simply won't deal with. soil is simple and so am i.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

i looked into coco and basically came away with the idea that it was easier to screw up a coco grow than a soil grow. as in fertilizing problems. salt problems (they have probably figured this one out by now) and other things i simply won't deal with. soil is simple and so am i.

I take you nor I will be trying hydro anytime soon.

 

[Bobotrank]

I'm trying to mix nutes as little as possible in my day to day waterings... maybe a little Cal/Mg (which has sugars), but that's about it. Not to say I won't be making any teas for the ride. Only that I'm relying on a heavily amended soil mix to feed my plants the majority of the way, and am trying to stay off the bottle.

 

[fatboyOGOF]

when the top half is dry, the next 1/4 is 1/2 way moist on the meter and the bottom 1/4 is real wet what to do, what to do.

i've always heard about root rot and figure that if the bottom 1/4 or so is always wet or real moist that could be a problem but then again, i want the microbes to thrive. not die off every few days. unless that's the way it's supposed to be.

damn it!! now i have to go read some more.

 

[genuity]

on the waterin,
in veg to about 3 weeks in 12/12 i water 1/2gal(2 liters) to a 5gal root pot,every 3-4 days,medium is sunshine advance#4.
as the plants kicks in to full flower,im up to a full gal(about 4 liters) a pot,and at this point,the plants drink that in 2-3 days
(full root system)

my medium is always moist by the time i water agin,not sure about them microbes diein off,but who knows.
id like to think that they are still doing some work down there.

 

[Bobotrank]

Root rot is progressively worse if you don't water enough, flushing the bad shit out. It seems counter intuitive, but starts to make more sense as you think about it.

Then again, you don't want to overwater, either, ffs lol

I've always gotten into the biggest problems with younger plants. Established ones can handle... if you overwater a pot that is home to a smaller plant with room to grow in it though, and there is nothing there taking up that water, then it seems to sit and fester more. I don't know where I'm going with this, btw. Coffee is strrrong this morning, though.

edit: That's a good way of doing it, Gen.