NoGutsGrower
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Okay.... Chesus from the internet says chill out when my surgeon is telling me he is either going to quit practicing or make me pay a bunch of money..... Yeah, probably not going to chill out.
How many of you are going to bitch about Obama care after 2016?
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Okay.... Chesus from the internet says chill out when my surgeon is telling me he is either going to quit practicing or make me pay a bunch of money..... Yeah, probably not going to chill out.
NoGutsGrower
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Its not just this one doctor, may are doing it. Then many more people have insurance and the doctors that are still around are booked solid, over worked and prone to mistake. You don't just get a new doctor when it is life and death every time you see them.
NoGutsGrower
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So I'm just supposed to find another doctor that can open me up over and over again, bring me back to life when I die on the operating table? Just go look one up in the phone book huh? I don't drive to my doctors, I fly, he is two states away! Some people need to go to the doctor for more than antibiotics and pain meds, you don't just put your life in a random persons hands! I've looked for doctors around here and none of them compare to mine! You don't get to talk to other patients and see how they are healing. You don't get tons of reviews on how well a surgeon did or does!
ChesusRice
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sorry I'm at work right now paying taxes the support people that are on Medicare in yet they are still complaining
NLXSK1
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Yeah, you are working hard complaining on the internet.... LOL!!!
ChesusRice
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non union shop we get to take breaks whenever we want
NLXSK1
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What month do you plan on going back to work?
NoGutsGrower
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Just because you're on medicare doesnt mean you dont pay taxes. There are plenty of people out there that pay way more in taxes than you do and on medicare. I'm pretty sure I'm one of them!
NoGutsGrower
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I bet a job that lets you take breaks whenever you want and has internet access whenever you want pays a bunch! LOL! My guess is best buy! Are they union?... lol!
ChesusRice
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my guess is Medicare keep you alive and that ain't gonna change after Obama Care
st0wandgrow
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You're full of shit. The Canadian government "took over healthcare", and it costs less than half per capita in Canada when compared to America. You don't think removing the profit driven middle man (health insurance companies) will make healthcare cheaper? Not to mention the fact that people will now go to a doctor to get a checkup, thus catching what could be expensive illnesses earlier, rather than waiting until they are very sick and requiring expensive medical procedures that could have been prevented?
NoGutsGrower
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Even If I lost my medicare I would still have great insurance. I have insurance through my wife! So no medicare is not what keeps me alive.
I must have hit the nail on the head with the best buy guess???
st0wandgrow
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You've heard stories. That's not a very compelling case against something when you base it off of stories.
I've lived in both countries, experienced both systems, and the Canadian system is hands down superior. I could plunk you down in a hospital in Calgary, and you would have no idea that you're not in America except for after the fact you won't be getting harassed by the hospital and by your health insurance provider for months on end over what they won't cover, and what you have to come out of pocket for. You show your social insurance card at the desk, and everything is taken care of.
Some Americans are so damn arrogant that they just can't possibly fathom a system from some other country being better than theirs.
NoGutsGrower
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and do you not understand that people with that new insurance will be at the doctors constantly? or the older person that goes to the doctor because they have nothing better to do but have insurance? Do you not understand that doctors aren't going to work with the huge pay cuts? Why would they go to school and work so hard to not make a bunch of money? Most doctors deserve every penny they charge! Obama care isn't removing the middle man, don't know where you got that Idea?
without a federal provision giving all regulators the ability to deny excessive rate increases, some insurance companies can raise rates as much as they did before the law was enacted.
“This is business as usual,” Mr. Jones said. “It’s a huge loophole in the Affordable Care Act,” he said.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/07/1404901/insurers-premium-rate-hike/?mobile=nc
“Health insurance companies across the country are seeking and winning double-digit increases in premiums for some customers, even though one of the biggest objectives of the Obama administration’s health care law was to stem the rapid rise in insurance costs for consumers.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/higher-health-care-premiums-could-cause-obamacare-to-death-spiral/article/2517939#.UO2v5W9X2So
Sure you can get cheap basic coverage (pain meds and antibiotics) but if you need more than that you will pay! You get the insurance you pay for, just like car insurance. Full coverage or just liability...
NoGutsGrower
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They don't pay for the big shit!
Health care in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded health care system, which is mostly free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
If it was all free why are the supplemental insurance companies in canada? (supplemental insurance such as Fair Pharmacare may have deductibles, depending on income)
NoGutsGrower
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Pharmaceutical medications are covered by public funds for the elderly or indigent,[6] or through employment-based private insurance. Drug prices are negotiated with suppliers by the federal government to control costs.
You also have to pay for your own meds or get insurance for that...
You also have to pay for your own meds or get insurance for that...
NoGutsGrower
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No you couldn't!
st0wandgrow
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Your doctor is going to quit practicing? Really? 10 years of school, and he's just going to go flip burgers at Wendy's instead?
That's the same logic as people that claim that professionals will stop making millions if their taxes go up by 3% .... because it just won't be worth it anymore.