Sickmeds: Green Crack S1 Feminized
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Jogro
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Yes, you are absolutely correct, and thank you for pointing that out, because it is something I noticed earlier when the plant was in veg, but forgot to mention.
Like yours, my Green Crack S1 plant is also a noticeably lighter shade of green in color than others I'm growing or have grown in the exact same conditions.
I have to chalk this up to genetics. I did try adding a bit of extra nutes wondering if some extra nitrogen would help, but it didn't, and I wouldn't do it again. The plant seems to be doing great, and doesn't have any nute deficiencies that I can tell.
Also, I can't help but notice that the image you posted above looks very similar to what my plant looked like early in veg, with the super fat indica-type leaves.
Yours:
Mine. The CFL lighting here is making the leaves look yellower then they really are, by the way:
Jogro
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Here's a link to member Ason's grow journal:
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/605341-warlock-green-crack-psycho-crack.html#post8455064
He's also doing Sickmeds Green Crack S1, as well as Sickmeds Psycho Crack (which is Exodus x Green Crack).
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/605341-warlock-green-crack-psycho-crack.html#post8455064
He's also doing Sickmeds Green Crack S1, as well as Sickmeds Psycho Crack (which is Exodus x Green Crack).
justanotherbozo
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Jogro
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Bozo, just try "google" for "sickmeds green crack" and you should find a number of places that have them.
As mentioned hempdepot has/had these though you'll have to check to see if they're in stock.
Seaofseeds in particular is an advertiser on this website, has a good reputation, and will give you a small discount if you are an RIU member and use the code listed at the link for "seeds" at the top of this page (or just clink the autolink to seeds in this sentence!). Link to product here: http://www.seaofseeds.com/product-detail.php?currency=USD
I can't really vouch for these individual sellers, but other places you may be able to find them include:
Cannazon http://www.cannazon.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_100&product_id=171
mycannapot https://www.hemcy.at/mcp/cannabis-strains/SickMeds_Seeds/Green_Crack/?LNG=en#
seeddepot http://www.seeddepot.nl/review/product/list/id/5940/category/101/
singleseedcenter (currently out of stock)
There are probably others. You also may be able to get them directly from the Sickmeds breeder's website.
Jogro
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So here we are 24 days into flower, and a lot has happened.
First of all, the plant structure has totally changed. Until flowering started, the plant had a "one stem" shape with minimal lower branching. Once the plant started making actual buds (which was about two weeks into 12-12), the side branches in particular absolutely took off, stretching up to be much closer to the main cola. You can see the effect of the stretch in the second image, with long internodal spaces.
Unfortunately, this sudden sativa-like stretch took me a bit by surprise. I was expecting a more straight "indica" growth pattern given the leaf shape and overall pre-flowering structure. The overall plant shape would be awesome if I had more space and a bigger light, but with limited space, I didn't really train this the way I might have otherwise. Since my available vertical height is limited, I may have to do some bending later.
Next time, I'd either try pruning off lower growth to create one dominant cola, or (better) putting the plant into a SCROG right before flowering to even out the tops.
Meanwhile, the buds themselves are making a nice tight "ball" shape, and they smell absolutely wonderful. They've got that sweet mango scent that everyone talks about with the clone-only green crack, and its strong and unmistakeable. To me it smells exactly like mango sorbet, and I could probably stick my face in there and smell it all day, that's how good it is.
First of all, the plant structure has totally changed. Until flowering started, the plant had a "one stem" shape with minimal lower branching. Once the plant started making actual buds (which was about two weeks into 12-12), the side branches in particular absolutely took off, stretching up to be much closer to the main cola. You can see the effect of the stretch in the second image, with long internodal spaces.
Unfortunately, this sudden sativa-like stretch took me a bit by surprise. I was expecting a more straight "indica" growth pattern given the leaf shape and overall pre-flowering structure. The overall plant shape would be awesome if I had more space and a bigger light, but with limited space, I didn't really train this the way I might have otherwise. Since my available vertical height is limited, I may have to do some bending later.
Next time, I'd either try pruning off lower growth to create one dominant cola, or (better) putting the plant into a SCROG right before flowering to even out the tops.
Meanwhile, the buds themselves are making a nice tight "ball" shape, and they smell absolutely wonderful. They've got that sweet mango scent that everyone talks about with the clone-only green crack, and its strong and unmistakeable. To me it smells exactly like mango sorbet, and I could probably stick my face in there and smell it all day, that's how good it is.
A definite sativa?? I topped mine once and i may do it atleast 2 more times it lets the under growth catch up and you will hopefully get a nice bushy plant. I got one nice bushy warlock plant you may of seen in my thread. Both the Green Crack and William's wonder are looking right good is the Green Crack turning purple at all for you?
Jogro
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As mentioned upthread, the original Green Crack is basically an F1 hybrid between an old school Skunk (sativa) and a California indica. Sickmeds version is an S1 of that, so its effectively Green Crack x Green Crack, or an F2 of the original parents. Consequently the plant should be expected to throw off a variety of phenos, some more sativa-like and some more indica-like. . .and by all accounts it does.
With respect to your question, THIS plant is a little unusual. It started off with an indica leaf and overall plant structure, and then after flowering the leaves and plant structure turned more sativa-like with lots of stretch and branch development. I asked the breeder about this, and he told me that this particular growth pattern is common in the S1 plants.
Because the breeder suggested growing as a single-cola, I didn't "top" this plant. Despite that, the lower branches "caught up" so to speak, all by themselves by stretching during flower, and although I started with a "stick", I ended up with a "bush"!
On color, yes, the "Green" crack is most definitely turning purple; and I'll have a few pictures up to show this as the journal progresses. You can see a "teaser" here:
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/611353-post-your-purple-pics-2.html#post8527159
I think this may solve one of the "mysteries" of Green Crack. The William's Wonder is the one that's "supposed" to turn purple, but in fact, its this Green Crack S1 that has. On top of that, every single account of Green Crack S1 I've seen mentions the tendency of this line to turn purple. Both Sickmeds AND Riot Se-eds' ad copy mention this explicitly, and Sickmeds has multiple pictures of the thing going purple. I've also seen several third-party grow reports mentioning that their plants have turned purple at the slightest hint of cold weather. Everyone is saying that the S1 line (which again, is basically an F2 of the parents) turns purple more readily than the original (F1) Green crack, which does NOT have a rep of going purple.
If you think about this genetically, the F2s (ie Green Crack S1) "should" tend to throw off phenos that are more similar to the original parents, compared to the F1 (original Green Crack).
Anyway, since Green Crack S1 tends to turn purple, its a pretty safe bet that one of the original Green Crack parents tended to go purple. Skunk #1 isn't known for that. By elimination, the other parent, the "unknown California indica" has to be the one that turns purple. So which CA indicas turn purple?
The most obvious candidate for a parent is the famous Mendocino(/Humboldt) purple. This potent inbred CA indica line goes by different names, and has been grown outdoors as an "heirloom" strain up North in CA for at least thirty years. Its also a parent of most of today's "hot" purple lines including purple urkle, grand-daddy purple, etc. Notably, this strain was especially popular in the late 1980s and early 90s when the original Cush (later renamed "Green Crack") was created, and before there was a big proliferation of other purple strains.
Add it all up, the description of a "california indica" as one parent, the purple color seen in F2 plants, the time frame, and the overall quality of the line, I think its a pretty good bet that the "unknown parent" of Green Crack is this original famous CA purple strain.
Good information and definitely possible. With my green cracks they have broader leaves but are more finger like than true indica dom (maple leaf like leaves) I can tell shes got sativa in it but not sativa dom. the leaves look like a 50/50 to me. Myself I love the sativa high at any time of the day. I live in a 4 seasons area and my room gets around 60-65F lights off temp so i hope that may bring out some of the purple for bag appeal is all( otherwise I could care less if it turned purple). Like i said with liking the sativa high I have some Serious Seeds Kali Mist seeds saved which i seen in another persons grow that the Kali did shits with low lights off temps. So im saving those for the summer months.
Edit: I just looked at your Green Crack or should we call it Purple Crack pics and they look AMAZING if mine can look like yours i'll be more than pleased
Edit: I just looked at your Green Crack or should we call it Purple Crack pics and they look AMAZING if mine can look like yours i'll be more than pleased
M Dogg
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My crew and I scored our Green Crack from British Columbia about five years ago thru the mail courtesy of Doctor Clone. We paid $80 each for two and let me tell you it's still the best thing going to this day. I have quite a few seeds that we made by pollinating with a Mikado (old school Federation Seeds strain) male. These seeds are probably F5 or F6 back-crosses. We wanted to really do our best on this cross and after that many back-crosses we think we have something reasonably close to the pure G.C. but with a better yield. I love the G.C. and her 45 day flowering time, yields are light but I've freaked out so many people with this strain...I always hear, "what did you lace this with" when peeps get their G.C. cherry busted! We call the cross LuLu (anybody familiar with Sumerian occult mythology will get it) and I be germinated fifty of these beans today. Like I said, I have lots to share if anyone is interested.
Jogro
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Obviously, I can't say what your plants are going to do, but I can say that mine went totally purple at temps in the 60-65F range (not lower), so yes, its entirely possible.
As to pictures, trust me. . .you haven't seen anything yet. Keep watching, because the best pictures are yet to come.
M Dogg
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My G.C.'s always finish up with some purple but one thing that they never do is grow colas. They grow rock hard round nugs that are incredibly dense and heavy. Total sativa dom. plant structure. One thing that I've found is that they are almost indistinguishable from B.C.B. Depot's "Purps" when the two are in vegetative (leaf structure, purple petioles). Only when they are in flower do they start to become different bitches. Maybe this can give some more concrete proof of lineage.
Jogro
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That is EXACTLY what I'm seeing here; perfect description.
It sure doesn't hurt.
Obviously, I can't "prove" it, but I think my theory is good, namely that "Green Crack" is actually just a lucky F1 cross between two excellent cuts of Skunk #1 and Mendo Purps.
One problem with this theory is that there are other strains out there that are basically crosses of Skunk #1 and "Purps" out there ("grape ape" is one) but so far as I know none of them have the mango scent or super-short flowering time. On the other hand, there is quite a variety of things out there that are called "Skunk #1" so this one could have been one of the more "fruity" versions. Also, there is some debate about what the "correct" flowering time is for Green Crack (see below). I've seen "Purple Kush" listed at 7 weeks flowering time, so that's at least consistent.
Its a good question. This is my first grow of this, so I can't say how long its going to take, let alone what flowering time is best.
Many descriptions of the original "clone only" Green Crack I've seen say its truly finished after only 42-49 days exactly as you say. But I've also seen others saying that the original is better when you let it go 55-60 days (or even more). Sickmeds says these S1s should take 49-55 days for the S1 (which may be slower than the clone-only line).
Is there some particular "clue" that you use to judge maturity here? EG, calyx swelling, dark-colored trichromes, etc. Or do you just go "by the clock" knowing by experience that things seem to work out best at 6-7 weeks regardless of how the buds look?
My take on this is that when I start to see amber trichromes, I'm going to cut. I don't "expect" it to be done in less than 55 days, but we'll see.
Jogro
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With so much talk, its time for another update. Here we are at day 34 of flower:
The plant has a leggy sativa-like structure with ball-shaped buds and no colas, exactly as Mdogg described above. The buds are dense and totally covered with resin that extends out onto the fan leaves.
Here's a closeup of one of the lower buds under normal (not HPS) light. I posted this same shot earlier in the "purple buds" thread. The bottom flowers are turning a gorgeous shade of purple, presumably because its a little cooler further from the lights. A few of the stamens ("hairs") are starting to turn brown, but not so much on the top of the plant. So I just don't seen this plant being done in less than two more weeks. I'm thinking three more full weeks, but we'll see.
The plant has a leggy sativa-like structure with ball-shaped buds and no colas, exactly as Mdogg described above. The buds are dense and totally covered with resin that extends out onto the fan leaves.
Here's a closeup of one of the lower buds under normal (not HPS) light. I posted this same shot earlier in the "purple buds" thread. The bottom flowers are turning a gorgeous shade of purple, presumably because its a little cooler further from the lights. A few of the stamens ("hairs") are starting to turn brown, but not so much on the top of the plant. So I just don't seen this plant being done in less than two more weeks. I'm thinking three more full weeks, but we'll see.