No such thing as stress induced hermi's

[SheepsBlood]

Seriously people, if we are stressed do we all of a sudden grow tits? As females do they grow a dick when stressed? So why the hell would plants change sex or become two sex's due to stress or mutilation.

I know this will spark a heated debate and none of it with scientific proof. Only loose ignorant rants. Unless you can undoubtedly come up with a dissertation or actual science based physical proof of stress induced hermaphrodite plants, then commence to shutting up from here on out. It's a lame statement to make and absolutely makes no real sense.

 

[Alpha492]

Yeah! And what is plant biology anyway? I took biology once in 7th grade and all we ever talked about was milk being good for bones and shit!

Those fuckin people tryin to say milk is good for my weeds bones?

 

[jakesnake]

it's a survival mechanism...

comparing plant to animal biology makes no sense...

 

[jakesnake]

ok...

clown fish are all born male, then the dominant/biggest fish turns female, the rest stay the same...

if female A dies the next most dominant fish transforms from male to female.

there is an example of it happening with animals.

 

[d7b]

milk... pffft. dark green vegetables may contain less calcium than milk but your body absorbs that shit way more efficiently from the vegetables such as spinach, broccoli, bok choi . Unless you are a baby, forget milk !

I have what I call the science lab in my setup. It is where I do hideous experimentation on females to see how they handle. Now, they will always LOOK awful. their growth gets stunted. coloring leaves (24/7 temps in res: 80F, ambient room: 82) , poor air movement (cheap little osc fan) , way too much co2 (up to 4000ppm!).

But they never die, get root rot, hermie or any of the nasty effect I hear lots of people suffer from. I dont even use hydrogen peroxide with the res. I just use tap water (trace amounts of chlorine) to re-up my res. occasionally some bleach a la the evil fatman (shit works fine in my experience). But it is always at 80... winter or summer. I used to GPS garden when left with no other options and one thing became clear after a few seasons of it: Mother nature sometimes doesn't raise plants better than we do! lol . natural growing, native plants with nutrient deficiencies , heat stress, mold, mites.. you name it... A lot of what I saw there and generally since contradicts about 70% of the posts on this forum. Bleach being the most dominant one imo. people speaking ill of the effects on trace amounts of bleach / chlorine for their plants at the same time as loading their res full of hydrogen peroxide (!?!?!) . good one...

I think it is more of a genetic issue... as you say, more like in the human species. I have never had a plant change sex once, 12 years on the trot now. I have some of the most abused plants known to man. summer indoors or out will provide horrific conditions for plants where I grow.

I hear a lot of conjecture on all forums posed as fact and its kind of annoying, unless you have the knowledge to disregard such tripe. I have a habit now of searching 5 or so forums for information and making my own assessment.

take some science with a grain of salt.... so most definitely take forum posts for what they are: data messages to be processed into information.

 

[SheepsBlood]

That is some seriously screwed up Fish! lol
Thanks for the information about Clown Fish.

Since that post I have learned that some blank seeds will grow under conditions such as flowering too long or possibly the stress idea.
I have first hand experience now with this. I was cloning and had my mothers light disrupted when switching out different time meters switches. The mothers were accidentally set to 12/12. Upon reset they continued to grow shoots that were offset like a plant in flower. After a few cycles of clones I ended up with one plant that had a few tiny seeds. I tried to germinate them but they ended up not even cracking open. So I call them blanks.

The idea that seeds can be stress induced still intrigues me but I don't think that spraying the plant with light on occasion will cause this. Possibly if the plant were very sensitive but lets consider 5 mins of intense light in the middle of the sleep cycle. It's not much in a 6 or 12 hour sleep.
As for a ray of light entering the room I think that is garbage. Think about moonlight and stars. They emit or reflect light, so hence plants always have some type of light hitting them. It might be that they only start photosynthesis or react under a certain level of light.

These are just my thought and opinion, everyone is welcome to share. Just don't take what I said a an attack because it's not.

 

[racerboy71]

i agree about light leaks not causing hermies as i grow in a small closet that is so far from light proof it's not even funny...
i've grown tons of things from fem'ed beans to regs and clones, and never once have i seen a hermie plant in my setup... i'd think if light leaks were a cause of hermies, i'd have pretty much nothing but..

but i'm fairly sure extreme stress can cause hermies.. i often hear of breeders stress testing plants to make sure that they're not hermie prone before using them as breeding stock..

 

[PoGro]

i agree about light leaks not causing hermies as i grow in a small closet that is so far from light proof it's not even funny...
i've grown tons of things from fem'ed beans to regs and clones, and never once have i seen a hermie plant in my setup... i'd think if light leaks were a cause of hermies, i'd have pretty much nothing but..

but i'm fairly sure extreme stress can cause hermies.. i often hear of breeders stress testing plants to make sure that they're not hermie prone before using them as breeding stock..

I've been switching from the corner of a room, to a closet, for about 9 years... regs and clones. When they're in the closet I get all girls from clones, and a random male/female ratio from seeds before killing males. When they're in the corner, light hits them all the time as I go in and out during the night cycle. At least 50% to 75% of almost all of my plants hermie. Did this for four years before moving to closet (and fixing other minor problems) to prevent hermies... which worked.

I just had a Chocolope mother that's been producing girls for a year. I wanted to cross it with an unknown strain that a friend found a seed of in some meds. (He didn't remember the strain, but this stuff is strong growing and stinky.) Long story short, I took four Chocolope clones and moved them into the room right across the room where the light could hit them and within two weeks, success, male flowers on three out of four(The fourth cold have even been shaded by the other three). Either way I used them to pollinate my girl and am waiting eagerly wondering if my last experiment was a fluke. Side note, I also allowed them to become root bound slightly promoting more stress.

Last experiment, I did the same thing with some old seeds I had from Cali called Kine Bud(no I don't mean kind) as I did with the Chocolopes. Used that to pollinate some short, dense fast flowering bag seed. Everyone that grew those out got females that rocked... except mine that were grown out of the closet which hermied. The ones in the closet were strictly female. One guy grows much better than me, with strictly medical strains. He said my old early 90's cross blew all his other plants away in vigor, yield and strength.

Either way I stick to the closet now except for this last breeding experiment... which worked. I'm hoping like the last time, that in good conditions the exiting new stock will produce, also like last time, all females. It may only be a few short years, but through my experience I've seen stress and light breaks to produce hermaphrodites in strains that were previously producing all females, and through one run seen feminized traits in the offspring.

If it's all attributed to luck, than everyone wish me luck for my next hopefully feminized seed stock... fruity/thai/mystery smoke. For those that don't know chocolope is a chocolate thai x cantaloupe cross. Mine is this fruity fast flowering pheno. Peace and love, and please don't hate because my experience differs from yours, i'm sure others have ones similar to mine and yours.

 

[PoGro]

Also, though your closet isn't completely light proof, do you think it get brighter than the moon?

 

[cannabineer]

Seriously people, if we are stressed do we all of a sudden grow tits? As females do they grow a dick when stressed? So why the hell would plants change sex or become two sex's due to stress or mutilation.

I know this will spark a heated debate and none of it with scientific proof. Only loose ignorant rants. Unless you can undoubtedly come up with a dissertation or actual science based physical proof of stress induced hermaphrodite plants, then commence to shutting up from here on out. It's a lame statement to make and absolutely makes no real sense.

Have some sensitivity please, man. It's embarrassing as hell and that only makes'em bigger. My guy friends are going to greater and greater lengths to get me into situations that make me want to scream and run. I wonder if they really are my friends. Apologies, but thanks for letting me get that off my chest. cn

 

[ProfessorPotSnob]

Thought this was Bmeat once again , until I looked at the date of this Threads beginning lmao

 

[Punk]

That is some seriously screwed up Fish! lol
Thanks for the information about Clown Fish.

Since that post I have learned that some blank seeds will grow under conditions such as flowering too long or possibly the stress idea.
I have first hand experience now with this. I was cloning and had my mothers light disrupted when switching out different time meters switches. The mothers were accidentally set to 12/12. Upon reset they continued to grow shoots that were offset like a plant in flower. After a few cycles of clones I ended up with one plant that had a few tiny seeds. I tried to germinate them but they ended up not even cracking open. So I call them blanks.

The idea that seeds can be stress induced still intrigues me but I don't think that spraying the plant with light on occasion will cause this. Possibly if the plant were very sensitive but lets consider 5 mins of intense light in the middle of the sleep cycle. It's not much in a 6 or 12 hour sleep.
As for a ray of light entering the room I think that is garbage. Think about moonlight and stars. They emit or reflect light, so hence plants always have some type of light hitting them. It might be that they only start photosynthesis or react under a certain level of light.

These are just my thought and opinion, everyone is welcome to share. Just don't take what I said a an attack because it's not.

Hermaphrodism is a recessive gene in cannabis as a species. Much of the wild hemp found in the US has all reverted to hermaphrodite behavior.

 

[333maxwell]

Ok.. this is just my experience.. no rhyme nor reason.. but a LOT of experience with such,.

Some strains are more light sensitve at night than others.. that said..

If your plants are introduced into a less than leak proof enviornment fromt he beginning, they will probably adapt fine.

If you have a totally dark environment for them, and then let light once they get 'used to it' they will certainly often hermie.


I know more about creating hermies than stopping them, I have had so very few accidental ones over the years (and usually traceable to new light leaks).


Indeed, if you take a good healthy plant and expose it to new and unexepcted light sources at night, it wil hermie almost always.. At least that is how I create my own batch of seeds.

I used to do that all the time (and probably will again this year) .. intentionally hermie plants so I can have my seeds so I can shutdown growing for a few months and not have to worry about clones or availability later.


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You kow it works much the same for sexing.. you can put a bag over just one section of the plant for 12 hours a day, an that one part of the plant will start producing flowers while the rest of the plant wont. That is how you early sex.. now I am going to have to do an experiment to early sex a plant, and then see what happens if you KEEP that one branch flowering and not the rest.. I suspect it turns hermie real quick.



On the flip side.. if you find a light leak and can fix it and as a result have a hermie.. if you are careful to pull off the male parts and get it back into real 12 12, it will revert to female usually (I don't suggest people try this if they have other plants trying to flower as they may inadvertently pollinate them).


Them are just one guy;s thoughts..

 

[personal lux]

well here is a simple treatment weve been doing for a little while now to keep are breeds going. we treat are plants with collodial silver When used on marijuana plants, it inhibits ethylene production needed (and normally produced) by the plant to produce female flowers, thus forcing the plant to produce male pollen sacs instead. Since there are no male chromosomes, the pollen is female (listed in many places as 99.99% female) and will produce female seeds.What you will need:
1) Colloidal Silver (CS) Spray (at least 40 ppm and pure – not too strong either!) and a spray bottle. I purchased Bio-Silver Ultra Colloidal Silver 50 ppm online and it worked.
2) One female plant to turn male. From seed or clone doesn’t matter – but it should be the best looking female with all the characteristics that matter to you, since it will be used as a parent for your seeds. This can be a small plant in a small pot.
3) One female plant to pollinate. You can pollinate just a few flowers on a branch (do not use bottom flowers because they may not produce finished seeds), an entire branch, or the entire plant.
The day before you change your light cycle to 12/12, you will begin to thoroughly mist all new growth areas with the CS spray on the plant you wish to turn male. Repeat this at least once daily until you see male pods forming (use magnifying glass to watch closely – approximately 10 to 21 days). If the plant begins developing flowers quickly (as with auto-flowering strains), spray 2 to 3 times daily (dependent upon the plant’s tolerance of the solution) until you see male pollen sacs forming where female flowers were developing). Once daily is the recommendation unless otherwise needed. Be sure to store your CS in a dark place between uses as light can degrade the CS solution. AND REMEMBER TO AVOID SPRAY TOUCHING CONSUMABLE PLANTS!!! after youve collected the pollen add it to your desired plant or add a female to the room with the male on a 12/12 schedule. enjoy.

 

[Shivaskunk]

Plant physiology is completely different from human physiology. In nature during particularly rough seasons cannabis switched sex in order to survive. I promise you that some strains absolutely do Hermie from stress.

 

[Apomixis]

I hate to shit in your pot but:

http://link.springer.com/static-content/0.6221/lookinside/680/art%3A10.1007%2FBF00346825/000.png

The lights that we use are very different from reflected light from the moon. If they were to turn on for a significant amount of time, click, there they go. What can you do? We just happen to cultivate a plant that goes kinky when it gets stressed. Not many plants apparently do this.. What qualifies as stress? i have no fucking clue. Hope this clarifies things.

 

[althor]

Worse THREAD ever on RIU.

Almost funny.

 

[Apomixis]

Why? What about it is ridiculous? Check out the defoliation thread if you want to see funny.

EDIT: O. I see. Yeah don't reply .... Slow morning LOL

 

[PoGro]

Sorry for bringing up this old stuff, but I was surfing the web looking up my new experiment, when I stumbled across Page 1 of disinformation. Just had to make an account, so a curious smoker wouldn't stumble across this crap and take it as true, messing up his grow. Or worse yet, walk around spouting disinformation to everyone he knows, spreading ignorance across the world...

o.k. maybe too far... but for real, God knows how many people read that crap in the last year or so and walked away more ignorarrogant than ever.

Nevermind, i see it was revived a few monts ago...

 

[ltecato]

I think this page sums it up pretty well.
http://www.dutch-passion.nl/en/news-and-development/hermaphrodites/

The only time I've had a hermie is after I kept a female plant growing for a long time after I'd harvested everything on it. It was Afghan.