"Why does anybody need an assault weapon"

beardo

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NO ONE WOULD EVER TRY TO TAKE A GUN THAT'S LAYING AROUND AND MOW DOWN A CLASSROOM FULL OF KINDERGARTENERS!

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People are assholes for not having either armed teachers maybe with combat experience or armed security at the schools or arming and training the kids, it pisses me off that the mall has armed security and so does the bank but the kids have no protection.
 

UncleBuck

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Buck put your front aside for a second and answer what you think it means . . . .. come on . . . its not a trap its not hard, what someone thinks and what they know are sometimes two different things . . ..

you know for a fact that if you owned a AR15 that you would be no threat, now that cannot be said for all owners of these types of guns . . but on that premise . .of what reason do they have that you should not own a weapon like that . . for whatever reason freedom is freedom .. .
I NEED THE FREEDOM TO OWN A NEUTRON BOMB!

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beardo

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I NEED THE FREEDOM TO OWN A NEUTRON BOMB!

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I think we should hang nerds who know how to make evil weapons like that, but if we can't eliminate the knowladge then you ought to be able to have one if other people have them, I hate nerds and their inventions.
 

ginwilly

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NO ONE WOULD EVER TRY TO TAKE A GUN THAT'S LAYING AROUND AND MOW DOWN A CLASSROOM FULL OF KINDERGARTENERS!

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they could mow em down with my mower too. Or they could gas em, or they could shoot them with hand guns, or bomb em (psychologically a different type of crazy), or hit em with an axe I found, or....

My garage is not public property. If somebody breaks the law by entering my property without my permission and steals something against my will, that's on them. If they steal my car (even if I leave the keys in them) and commit vehicular homicide I am not responsible. Unless of course I am responsible for that person committing the crimes, then we agree.
 

UncleBuck

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they could mow em down with my mower too. Or they could gas em, or they could shoot them with hand guns, or bomb em (psychologically a different type of crazy), or hit em with an axe I found, or....

My garage is not public property. If somebody breaks the law by entering my property without my permission and steals something against my will, that's on them. If they steal my car (even if I leave the keys in them) and commit vehicular homicide I am not responsible. Unless of course I am responsible for that person committing the crimes, then we agree.
yep, you're not responsible for your killing tool.
 

beardo

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A better question would be "why do cops need assault weapons?".
So they can kill people easily whenever they deem fit, which will be made even easier and carry an even smaller risk once they can disarm the remainder of those who currently own implements of selfdefense
 

NLXSK1

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People are assholes for not having either armed teachers maybe with combat experience or armed security at the schools or arming and training the kids, it pisses me off that the mall has armed security and so does the bank but the kids have no protection.
I am not sure why people have not pointed this out yet but if the classroom door was simply locked it would have prevented all of this...

But hey, lets not talk about that, lets just ban scary looking guns...
 

UncleBuck

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I am not sure why people have not pointed this out yet but if the classroom door was simply locked it would have prevented all of this...

But hey, lets not talk about that, lets just ban scary looking guns...
bushmaster XM15 assault rifles open a lot of doors.

you have no idea what i'm capable of.
 

beardo

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I am not sure why people have not pointed this out yet but if the classroom door was simply locked it would have prevented all of this...

But hey, lets not talk about that, lets just ban scary looking guns...
Kind of like a cockpit door,
Genius idea, you have a lot of common sense
To bad common sense isn't more common huh...
I still think schools deserve second amendment protection but locked doors to keep out weirdos is a good idea, seems worth it, lock the door to discourage weirdos from walking in, they try to enter an armed teacher should be waiting and ready to end the problem.
 

ginwilly

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yep, you're not responsible for your killing tool.
which killing tool? the brick, the rope, the shovel, the screwdriver, the hammer, the chain saw, the tire iron, the rat poison, the carpet knife or the nail gun?

If you steal any of those and kill someone with them it's still on you.
 

NLXSK1

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Kind of like a cockpit door,
Genius idea, you have a lot of common sense
To bad common sense isn't more common huh...
I still think schools deserve second amendment protection but locked doors to keep out weirdos is a good idea, seems worth it, lock the door to discourage weirdos from walking in, they try to enter an armed teacher should be waiting and ready to end the problem.
30 years ago I remember the doors being locked from the outside. It is not a new concept.

I think teachers should be allowed to carry weapons based on state law.

Crazies keep targeting gun free zones...
 

UncleBuck

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which killing tool? the brick, the rope, the shovel, the screwdriver, the hammer, the chain saw, the tire iron, the rat poison, the carpet knife or the nail gun?

If you steal any of those and kill someone with them it's still on you.
you leave rat poison where the kids or dog could get it?

a brick is a building tool, not a killing tool.
 

ginwilly

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you leave rat poison where the kids or dog could get it?

a brick is a building tool, not a killing tool.
no, but a thief could

unless you kill someone with it (If I hit you over the head with a cinder block is that assault with a deadly weapon or just a building tool loan?)

a gun can be a collectors item
 

ginwilly

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so you don't leave the rat poison where others can get to them, but guns are so much different?
I don't leave rat poison where kids and dogs can get to them which is what you asked. The same for any guns around here, my dog does not have access, the kids would have to break in.

Why do you have to use dishonesty to prove a point? If you really had one you wouldn't have to do that.
 

elkukupanda

Active Member
Don't blame the guns, blame the culture... Regulation? Yes, why not... It might help to some extend... However, Lanza kid: stole gun, another popular murder case, Jodi arias: stole gun as well. Can't we prevent all murders? Most likely not.... Reduce them... Most likely yes... Sucks to say this but if you promote violence it will backfire at you... USA and many other countries way to deal with their "enemies" is to eradicate them... Yes, it would had been easier to have prevented this mind set from the get go... But is the price to pay for "total freedom"... The founding fathers lived in an era of war.. Therefor they knew the pain of losing loved ones... Unfortunately new generations were too busy until a few years ago living in a Country that had it all to understand this and think about it... Should this topic be introduced in early school... Maybe... It would help to at least have a notion or opinion about the matter... Killing sucks and its a very primitive feeling in all of us that we must understand to try to "suppress" it in moments of anger
 

Dr Kynes

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ok then.

so why does a civilian need a military style weapon?

are you self defending yourself from 30 armed men on the regular or something?
the ar 15 is not a military weapon, it merely has that military look and feel. it lacks the defining characteristic of an assault rifle : Burst or Full Auto firing modes.

thats why it's called "Military STYLE"

would you likewise ban wearing BDU's for any who are not in the service?
are navy peacoatrs suddenly LESS useful for those who work in cold damp weather than they were yesterday?
do combat boots now become ""assault boots"?
does everyone with a Jeep or Hummer suddenly become suspect for driving a "military style" car?

the AR 15 is LESS powerful, LESS useful, and LESS effective at killing people or critters than the 70 year old deer rifle left to me by my grandfather.
when dressed up as a traditional hunting rifle, the AR can become surprisingly non-threatening, what you are opposing is cosmetics not reality.
it is also useful to recognize that the militia act of 1794 (still in force) REQUIRES all free men between 16 and 60 to own and maintain a brown bess musket in .75 caliber, and keep a store of powder and shot suitable for that weapon.
US V miller made clear:


"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense. Aymette v. State, 2 Humphreys (Tenn.) 154, 158.

The Constitution, as originally adopted, granted to the Congress power --
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces, the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view." ~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0307_0174_ZO.html

so "SCOTUS" as you are so fond of saying, asserted that the second ammendment establishes a MILITARY requirement that the MILITIA (all free men between 16 and 60) be armed with ars SUITABLE for military campaign, and even refers specifically to the sawed off shotgun's absence in the military arsenal as a reason sawed off shotguns are not protected under the second amendment.

the supreme court did not find that sawed off shotguns were suitable for milita duty, and thus they were not protected, however an M16 with full auto capability IS suitable for military service and thus, would therefore BE PROTECTED. sadly the congress has levied a massive tax on full auto weapons, and further prohibited their sale (but not their possession in a cowardly attempt to dodge the constitution) so an ar15 is the next best thing.

whoops, looks like i need to get me one of them guns now, for militia purposes.
 

UncleBuck

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I don't leave rat poison where kids and dogs can get to them which is what you asked. The same for any guns around here, my dog does not have access, the kids would have to break in.

Why do you have to use dishonesty to prove a point? If you really had one you wouldn't have to do that.
so if some irresponsible gun owner down the street left his gun lying about and his kid killed your kid with it, consequences, or no?
 
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