"Why does anybody need an assault weapon"

mr2shim

Well-Known Member
But don't you still need the trigger group as he said? And in the video description it says there's less than 500 of those in the US.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Actually the rifling in the barrel is what puts the bullets down range more accurately. Are you recommending we diminish the accuracy of firearms?
I recommend you try to find another job other than lawnmowing

Maybe then you can worry about high tax rates
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
[video=youtube;ee1wfW58T2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1wfW58T2Q[/video]
Lots of people abuse alcohol and drive vehicles afterwards...

Should we ban alcohol because of these people? I mean, if we do that then nobody would drink and the world would be a much much safer place... Drunk driving fatalities by far dwarf anything gun related. Do it for the children.

(I havent had a drink in 8 years so it is no skin off my back to give away your rights)...
 

mr2shim

Well-Known Member
NO it is explained in the first video

All you need is those 2 pieces of metal

BTW if you do this you are breaking the law
In the comment section of the video

Someone asked...

"So, for a lightning link to work, do you still need a full auto disconnector and selector switch?"

And he replied with...

"No. To get select fire with a lightning link, you need the M16A2 fire control group. With a regular FCG, you'll get Safe-Auto only."
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Everything you said is true. Does that mean we as citizens don't have the right to own one? Someone could use your base statement and argue we don't need semi-auto handguns or bolt action rifles because of their efficiency compared to muskets. As weapons technology advances so does their accuracy and efficiency. I guess the real question is where do we draw the line.

I think it takes more than .25 cents in sheet metal to make a AR fully auto. You're going to need the M16 bolt assy.
I have to give the semantic argument to Budlover here. Ballistics is the science of bullet performance and is generally understood to be "per bullet". Thus a bullet from a .270 deer rifle has better ballistics in almost every regard over an autorifle cartridge, even a .308. Fwiw. cn

<edit> heh, post number
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
In the comment section of the video

Someone asked...

"So, for a lightning link to work,&#65279; do you still need a full auto disconnector and selector switch?"

And he replied with...

"No. To get select fire with a lightning link, you need the M16A2 fire control group. With a&#65279; regular FCG, you'll get Safe-Auto only."
That is correct
In a AR15
you get
Safe
and AUTO

Want to go back to semi auto you take the link out
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
I have to give the semantic argument to Budlover here. Ballistics is the science of bullet performance and is generally understood to be "per bullet". Thus a bullet from a .270 deer rifle has better ballistics in almost every regard over an autorifle cartridge, even a .308. Fwiw. cn

<edit> heh, post number
And with an assault rifle you get multiple follow up shots that are more accurate due to low recoil of the rounds used
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Lots of people abuse alcohol and drive vehicles afterwards...Should we ban alcohol because of these people? I mean, if we do that then nobody would drink and the world would be a much much safer place... Drunk driving fatalities by far dwarf anything gun related. Do it for the children.(I havent had a drink in 8 years so it is no skin off my back to give away your rights)...
we've put in place very strict, common sense DUI laws and reduced DUI fatalities (in your state specifically) by a huge number, something like 75%.

you haven't had a drink in 8 years because your communion was when you were 5, now you're waiting for mommy and daddy to let you have a sip of champagne one of these new years.
 

Dr Kynes

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No he is not. The AR platform and that of other "assault" rifles is designed to put bullets down range more efficeintly than other rifles. i could care less if it looked like a fucking brick. It puts high speed projectiles down range much better and faster than your grandpa's hunting rifle and facilitates reloading in a much faster fashion. So you can argue all you want about the term "assault" rifle. For all intents and purposes it does what it says.


And on a side note. .25 cents worth of sheet metal is all it takes to make a AR full auto.
my Rem Model 8 in 300 savage delivers 180 grains of copper jacketed lead at 2500 feet per second delivering 3400 joules of energy at the muzzle.

my bro's AR 15 in .223 delivers 77 grain bullets at 2900 Feet Per Second with a muzzle energy of just under 1300 jules, but the .223 loses energy faster as it moves down range from it's much lower mass.

a bullet that weighs less than half as much, moving at a speed only about 15% faster delivers far less energy and loses more energy per FPS of deceleration than the heavier bullet.

you are incorrect bro.

i can empty my rifle's 5 round magazine just as fast as my brother can fire his 5 rounds, but what i hit, is destroyed, what he hits is merely disturbed.

when i go to my enfeild, shit gets busted up real good, and i got a ten round detachable magazine too.

as far as turning an AR full auto for 25 cents of sheet metal, nonsense. you have to mill out the receiver, using machinery that costs several grand, install a diifferent sear and linkage which cost a packet, and commit several felonies to do it.

it's not just jamming a bent over piece of a pop can into the slot that makes your AR into a machine gun.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Didn't the lack of buffer on the first generation of M16 cause dangerous failures, like exploding bullets in the carbine?
no, that was a LOT of shit coming together.

the manufacturer had informed the early GI beta testers in vietnam that their creation never needed cleaning. they actually said that. they claimed the partes were all sealed up so not gunk could get in there, and they were permanently lubed. what dolts.

early version barrels were too thin, and poorly tempered so under heavy use the barrels would actually soften and sag, until finally one of the bullets would take the barrel with it when it went down range, leaving the user with a stumpy gun cut off just past the gas port.

early versions of the rifle were milled too accurately in the chamber, so just a little mud or dirt getting in there would cause dramatic riases in pressure.

early versions of the rifle DID have buffers, but these bufferes were not designed to limit the "cyclic rate" of the action so the gun would fire too fast and shoot itself to pieces like the blues brother's car at the end of the film.

early versions of the rifle used more plastic and aluminium than they could support, as a result there were critical weaknesses all throught the production run at random areas resulting in random failures

all these flaws came together resulting in a gun which was adored by those who got a REALLY GOOD one, but despised by everybody else.

now they are surpirsingly reliable, fairly durable, pretty accurate, and the only thing i have against them is their wimpy round, and their light weight which makes them unsuited for my purposes.

i would rather have a kalashnikov, but thats just preference.

 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
as far as turning an AR full auto for 25 cents of sheet metal, nonsense. you have to mill out the receiver, using machinery that costs several grand, install a diifferent sear and linkage which cost a packet, and commit several felonies to do it.

it's not just jamming a bent over piece of a pop can into the slot that makes your AR into a machine gun.
You have absolutly proven without a doubt to be one dumb mother fucker
I even posted videos on how to do it.
Here Ill even post the specs
 

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NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
You have absolutly proven without a doubt to be one dumb mother fucker
I even posted videos on how to do it.
Here Ill even post the specs
Do we have an epidemic of fully automatic AR15's?

You can make a pipe bomb with much less effort, so what is your point?
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
We had an epidemic of open bolt Mac-10s. But, they re-designed it, for closed bolt. Much more difficult to mod.
 

budlover13

King Tut
no, that was a LOT of shit coming together.

the manufacturer had informed the early GI beta testers in vietnam that their creation never needed cleaning. they actually said that. they claimed the partes were all sealed up so not gunk could get in there, and they were permanently lubed. what dolts.

early version barrels were too thin, and poorly tempered so under heavy use the barrels would actually soften and sag, until finally one of the bullets would take the barrel with it when it went down range, leaving the user with a stumpy gun cut off just past the gas port.

early versions of the rifle were milled too accurately in the chamber, so just a little mud or dirt getting in there would cause dramatic riases in pressure.

early versions of the rifle DID have buffers, but these bufferes were not designed to limit the "cyclic rate" of the action so the gun would fire too fast and shoot itself to pieces like the blues brother's car at the end of the film.

early versions of the rifle used more plastic and aluminium than they could support, as a result there were critical weaknesses all throught the production run at random areas resulting in random failures

all these flaws came together resulting in a gun which was adored by those who got a REALLY GOOD one, but despised by everybody else.

now they are surpirsingly reliable, fairly durable, pretty accurate, and the only thing i have against them is their wimpy round, and their light weight which makes them unsuited for my purposes.

i would rather have a kalashnikov, but thats just preference.

IMO, the Ospry piston system turns the AR from a decent weapon into a great weapon. You don't have all those hot gasses and carbon going into your lower and gunking it up or the hot gasses weakening your springs. i have seen temperature tests of the Ospry vs non-Ospry and the bolt actually cooled off a little during firing the rifle with the system.
 
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