Crystal Meth

[Sunbiz1]

My.... ignorance angers you? what ignorance is that? it is ONE sort of "experience", experience does not trump all other methods of garnering knowlege. He is telling HIS story, a story that is, as we just agreed - HIS.

Now, imagine an electician who zapps himself while in the process of working his profession. Does he say "don't ever ever mess with electricity"? No, he doesn't. if someone fails at something their advice to all others to never ever touch that with which he failed, we are led to believe that all other people are just like this guy, that there is no difference, no allowance for anything but utter failure. "if you do A - as I did, then the results will be B, as mine were" is a faulty premise.

in answer to your question, he failed because he got trapped by a very vicious substance, one that few mange to come away from uscathed but the poster is being presumptuous in saying what will happen to others if they do as he did.


What would you say to me if I said that I freaked out on pot twice, i had to go to the hospital and I am now 10 years sober from marijuana? you would say - good for you buddy, keep it up, too bad that happened to you.

Now what would you say if I said "yeah, I had to go to the hospital so, boys and girls never ever ever under any circumstances use marijuana". It is this difference with which I take issue.

For your information - I as well am a failure when it comes to mehtamphetamine, I did not sucessfully keep it under control and wound up voluntarily going to a rehab program but the story is my own. I might tell it as a mater of interest, or as an example of what not to do but I will not, nor should you, claim that no one should ever use a substance because, why, look what happened to me.

One who derives an entire opinion on the extent of another's knowledge based upon a single post- a post that "angers him", might consider the definition of ignorance.

What would you say to me if I said that I freaked out on pot twice>>>

>>>I'd say you're a liar.

 

[GrowinTheDank]

Let me go ahead and tell you before I read this meaningless reply: You are wrong no matter what you say. Your ramble was ignorant and I'm sorry if you don't recognize this. Your comparisons don't even make sense to be completely honest.

It is like asking a man who's parrachute quit what it is like to skydive.

A recovered meth addict sharing his experience is like asking a man who's parachute quit what it's like to skydive? Please do explain..lmfao

You don't go to the guy who went broke in the stock market,you don't go to the guy who failed to make the majors, why would you go to the person who Didn't manage to deal with something adequately.

He's been clean for 15 years..are you fucking retarded?


Now onto your next ramble..I'll take this paragraph by paragraph to make things easier since you're clearly confused.

My.... ignorance angers you? what ignorance is that? it is ONE sort of "experience", experience does not trump all other methods of garnering knowlege. He is telling HIS story, a story that is, as we just agreed - HIS.

Now, imagine an electician who zapps himself while in the process of working his profession. Does he say "don't ever ever mess with electricity"? No, he doesn't. if someone fails at something their advice to all others to never ever touch that with which he failed, we are led to believe that all other people are just like this guy, that there is no difference, no allowance for anything but utter failure. "if you do A - as I did, then the results will be B, as mine were" is a faulty premise.

in answer to your question, he failed because he got trapped by a very vicious substance, one that few mange to come away from uscathed but the poster is being presumptuous in saying what will happen to others if they do as he did.


What would you say to me if I said that I freaked out on pot twice, i had to go to the hospital and I am now 10 years sober from marijuana? you would say - good for you buddy, keep it up, too bad that happened to you.

Now what would you say if I said "yeah, I had to go to the hospital so, boys and girls never ever ever under any circumstances use marijuana". It is this difference with which I take issue.

For your information - I as well am a failure when it comes to mehtamphetamine, I did not sucessfully keep it under control and wound up voluntarily going to a rehab program but the story is my own. I might tell it as a mater of interest, or as an example of what not to do but I will not, nor should you, claim that no one should ever use a substance because, why, look what happened to me.

One who derives an entire opinion on the extent of another's knowledge based upon a single post- a post that "angers him", might consider the definition of ignorance.

My.... ignorance angers you? what ignorance is that? it is ONE sort of "experience", experience does not trump all other methods of garnering knowlege. He is telling HIS story, a story that is, as we just agreed - HIS.

Well, your comparisons were quite ignorant. That would be ONE sort of your ignorance. I'm not sure who's arguing the fact that experience does not trump all other methods...explain? Have you ever been told a story by someone else that impacted your life? I'm sure you've only ever benefited from personal stories right? lOl. Seriously dude, I can hardly reply to your points without chuckling.

Now, imagine an electician who zapps himself while in the process of working his profession. Does he say "don't ever ever mess with electricity"? No, he doesn't. if someone fails at something their advice to all others to never ever touch that with which he failed, we are led to believe that all other people are just like this guy, that there is no difference, no allowance for anything but utter failure. "if you do A - as I did, then the results will be B, as mine were" is a faulty premise.

Lmao. That is EXACTLY what an electrician would say! I'm really starting to think this whole things a joke. In the situation you've depicted, the electrician would explain that he is a professional and electricity is very dangerous for those who haven't been properly trained bla bla bla.

in answer to your question, he failed because he got trapped by a very vicious substance, one that few mange to come away from uscathed but the poster is being presumptuous in saying what will happen to others if they do as he did.

I guess this is a difference in opinion. I suppose you say he failed because he used for a long time? I say he succeeded because he has been clean for a long time, and the fact that he used for so long only amplifies his success. Especially since most are on this shit till it ends them. About the presumptuous babbling...what exactly is your point here? Is he required to use words such as most likely or maybe so people like you feel better? I'd rather him just talk straight from experience and educate the public on what they're getting themselves into. Maybe you should focus less on the words, and more on what the man is actually saying.

What would you say to me if I said that I freaked out on pot twice, i had to go to the hospital and I am now 10 years sober from marijuana? you would say - good for you buddy, keep it up, too bad that happened to you.

I'd say your a dumbass for comparing marijuana and meth.

Now what would you say if I said "yeah, I had to go to the hospital so, boys and girls never ever ever under any circumstances use marijuana". It is this difference with which I take issue.

Again with the dumbass comparisons. Seriously what can I say to this shit besides how stupid you are?

For your information - I as well am a failure when it comes to mehtamphetamine, I did not sucessfully keep it under control and wound up voluntarily going to a rehab program but the story is my own. I might tell it as a mater of interest, or as an example of what not to do but I will not, nor should you, claim that no one should ever use a substance because, why, look what happened to me.

This is your most sound argument yet. What the hell was going on with you before?

Using specific examples from personal experience is necessary to adequately emphasize the magnitude of this situation. By telling someone they shouldn't use a substance because they've lost their house, came close to death, almost lost their families, or whatever reason you want to use; you are showing them the truth of just how dangerous meth is. This has a profound effect on the reader and just may sway their next decision to use..

There's nothing wrong with telling someone not to do something that they know is fucking terrible. Especially when they support their claims of it being fucking terrible with REAL experience. I'm sorry you personally have such an issue with this, but you should recognize this issue is nothing more than personal.

One who derives an entire opinion on the extent of another's knowledge based upon a single post- a post that "angers him", might consider the definition of ignorance.

The ignorance within your post angered me, you wrote said post, therefore your ignorance angers me. Well put, and nice try though.

 

[Xrangex]

wow OP your like the worst kind of people. i hope you blow up like the rest of your tweaker buddies trying to make that shit. ya house hold CHEMICALS. would say you retarded for doing that shit but you gotta already be retarded to even try the shit.

Jesus christ man, you say tweakers are bad? I'm probably the nicest guy you could ever meet, and you say you hope I blow up like the rest of them because you're scared of a drug.. i'm glad I do the things I do, i'm also glad i'm not as big as a cunt as you are.
You were just on my grow thread like 2 weeks ago telling me they look awesome, now i'm an awful person because I live my life diferently.

I'm not retarded, I'm just not a pussy who thinks humans have no control over their actions.

 

[Xrangex]

I was just sharing my experiance with the shit. Take it for what its worth. Im just warning you that everybody I ever seen do the shit "Just once in awhile" becomes a everyday thing and then...Well you get the idea. You sound like a smart guy for now...Enjoy!

Oh no dude, I promise man i appriciate the reply and i'm glad to hear it's not a problem for you! I knew there were people who have struggled like no other on this drug, I just honestly feel like I control my body. and maybe i'm wrong, maybe one day i'll be the dude telling people not to fuck with it. But as of now, i've got a good head on my shoulders, done with high school, just trying to figure out what this life's about just like everyone else.

anyway thanks for sharing your experiece, knowing how powerful that drug is, and knowing you were doing it daily (i cant even IMAGINE that shit lol) I can really respect your sobriety Hope it stays that way man

If you ever want another shard, just say FUCK IT and buy more weed goodluck with life and all that jazz

 

[canndo]

What would you say to me if I said that I freaked out on pot twice>>>

>>>I'd say you're a liar.

While such a thing has never happened to me I have seen it and there is ample evidence of THC precipitating mental disorders. You seem to be kinda missing the point however.

 

[canndo]

Let me go ahead and tell you before I read this meaningless reply: You are wrong no matter what you say. Your ramble was ignorant and I'm sorry if you don't recognize this. Your comparisons don't even make sense to be completely honest.

A recovered meth addict sharing his experience is like asking a man who's parachute quit what it's like to skydive? Please do explain..lmfao

He's been clean for 15 years..are you fucking retarded?


Now onto your next ramble..I'll take this paragraph by paragraph to make things easier since you're clearly confused.


Well, your comparisons were quite ignorant. That would be ONE sort of your ignorance. I'm not sure who's arguing the fact that experience does not trump all other methods...explain? Have you ever been told a story by someone else that impacted your life? I'm sure you've only ever benefited from personal stories right? lOl. Seriously dude, I can hardly reply to your points without chuckling.

Lmao. That is EXACTLY what an electrician would say! I'm really starting to think this whole things a joke. In the situation you've depicted, the electrician would explain that he is a professional and electricity is very dangerous for those who haven't been properly trained bla bla bla.

I guess this is a difference in opinion. I suppose you say he failed because he used for a long time? I say he succeeded because he has been clean for a long time, and the fact that he used for so long only amplifies his success. Especially since most are on this shit till it ends them. About the presumptuous babbling...what exactly is your point here? Is he required to use words such as most likely or maybe so people like you feel better? I'd rather him just talk straight from experience and educate the public on what they're getting themselves into. Maybe you should focus less on the words, and more on what the man is actually saying.

I'd say your a dumbass for comparing marijuana and meth.

Again with the dumbass comparisons. Seriously what can I say to this shit besides how stupid you are?

This is your most sound argument yet. What the hell was going on with you before?

Using specific examples from personal experience is necessary to adequately emphasize the magnitude of this situation. By telling someone they shouldn't use a substance because they've lost their house, came close to death, almost lost their families, or whatever reason you want to use; you are showing them the truth of just how dangerous meth is. This has a profound effect on the reader and just may sway their next decision to use..

There's nothing wrong with telling someone not to do something that they know is fucking terrible. Especially when they support their claims of it being fucking terrible with REAL experience. I'm sorry you personally have such an issue with this, but you should recognize this issue is nothing more than personal.

The ignorance within your post angered me, you wrote said post, therefore your ignorance angers me. Well put, and nice try though.

That sky diver who somehow managed to survive after his chute failed is not the one to listen to about how no one should ever step out of an airplane. His story should be included in your canvasing of information as to whether you should take up the sport but you are advised also to speak to those who's equipment did not fail. That is my point. Listen to those who have had problems with a substance but don't conclude the substance must be bad because the person you are talking to was not a success (success being the ability to manage one's consumption of that substance).


Closer to home. I have heard personal revelations about people's unfortunate battles with alcoholism. Alcohol will take some of us without a doubt but to listen ONLY to those who failed in their ability to negotiate reasonably with that particular chemical ignores all of the success stories of those who enjoy their wine with dinner, have a few drinks with the boys and then thinks no more of the substance. If I let one of the failures tell me "never ever touch this chemical" then that person is doing me a disservice. If he simply tells me his experience without the final admonition fine, but because he had a tough time does not necessarily indicate that EVERYONE will.

You seem to place great stock in anecdotal evidence - it is the most interesting way to garner information but it is hardly dependable as a full source of knowledge.

Do we know this person's genetic makeup? do we know his upbringing? His personal experiences? Are those things akin to our own? The anecdotal tends not to bring those items into focus.

Now I see that you didn't take my comparison between meth and pot very seriously. Seems that most don't simply because or primarily because pot is the drug of choice on this website. But because it is, the bad effects of marijuana are generaly ignored, worse yet, pot is lauded as the magical cure for all that ails a person. The fact is that both pot and meth are chemicals, chemicals that are not entirely foreign to the human body. My comparison stands, if I were to tell you a horror story about pot (and they do really exist) you would not take my warning seriously and probably question his legitimacy or veracity - as another poster has already done. Again, it is one thing for this person (poor guy just wanted to make a statement and look where I've taken it), to tell us his story, it is quite another to tell us that we should never ever even try this substance - not even after having performed one' own due diligence. I had problems with that very chemical but I will not presume to tell YOU not to use it or claim that the results YOU encounter will be as bad as mine (not that bad really, but bad enough for me to require help).

And that was what I took issue with, that is what I still take issue with.


I know numbers of people who did NOT have a problem with meth. They are doctors and lawyers and farmers and such. They took up the stuff for this reason or that, used it in a moderate way and one day put it down, some still on occasion continue to use. These are what I would call successes. Now the truth is that none of them will tell you that they got any true benifit from their use, no enlightenment, no lasting enjoyable memories save perhaps an inordinately clean home. The lawyers may point to their having passed the bar as a result of their use but I suspect they would have done as well without the chemical "help".

I think the best example of what I am talking about - since the parachutist didn't really cut it, is to find 20 LSD users and ask each of them if they would recomend others use the substance. The ones that were the most successful would either tell you that you should, or, in my belief, if they were TRUELY successful in their encounters would tell you their wonderful experiences and claim that only you are equipped to decide no matter how marvelous they found their journey. But you are bound to encounter someone who found themselves on an 8 hour trip to hell. Would they be the only ones to listen to as they warned you never ever to, under any circumstances, try acid?

My ignorance not withstanding, I submit that each person spoken to might bring you a bit of knowledge and that no single person should be relied on more heavily than another.


Just to belabor the point and perhaps to add to the mass of anecdotal evidence we might want to look at the mentality of the drug user himself.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Just to belabor the point and perhaps to add to the mass of anecdotal evidence we might want to look at the mentality of the drug user himself. >>>

I would respond point by point as well, but in the interest of time...you're simply full of shit.

"I know numbers of people who did NOT have a problem with meth. They are doctors and lawyers">>>

The above in particular, although attorney's I'll buy.

 

[chewberto]

Wow you invented Ice? What we talking Vanilla or tea?

Geez, these people are going a bit overboard.

#1: While the board is "rollitup" and focuses on cannabis, the sub-forum is about ANYTHING ELSE. GTFO if you can't handle that.

#2: Just because YOU (the generic naysayer) and ALL your friends who ever had that 1st hit ended up bingeing until your life got flushed, the OP already has experience with the chemical and you are just waving your hands in the breeze for no reason. Sorry, once someone makes the decision to try it, you hyping possible downsides is worse than meaningless, it is misleading.

Because SOME people can do an occasional line of meth, once or twice a month, for YEARS. So cut that alarmist shit out. It is as bad as them shoving anti-pot films at me in middle school. I knew they were lying about that, so why would I believe them on anything else?

It is a matter of risk/reward and playing the odds.

To me meth (in 1978 time frame) was merely an item on the menu, to be used and/or abused as I saw fit, but I NEVER did more than a 24 hour binge, and in most cases it was simply a line to launch the evening of partying, drinking, and smoking, and when it hit 6AM it was time to go to sleep, happily.

And when I made it, and fucked up the hydrochloride bind and ended up with freebase (I invented "ice" years before the term was coined), and it was smokable, everyone loved it and no one in my peer group got hooked into a death spiral.

On the other hand, EVERY OPIATE USER I KNEW WHO DID IT MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK GOT HOOKED, SOONER OR LATER.

So if you wanna warn people off stuff, try to focus on things they haven't done yet, and has a far more provable addiction track record.

 

[chewberto]

Testime you are full of shit. Why dont you go look up the meth facts on users and tell me that there isn't a "provable addiction track record" whatever that means you fucking peasant, Robin Williams words, not mine... check out the rehabilitation success numbers while your at it...

 

[canniboss]

There is an easier way.
1) Pull all your teeth out and scratch half your face off
2) Rob everyone you see
3) Eat a bunch of dicks
4) Take a nap on some train tracks

 

[chewberto]

Nice... don't forget lose all respect for yourself....

 

[drolove]

Jesus christ man, you say tweakers are bad? I'm probably the nicest guy you could ever meet, and you say you hope I blow up like the rest of them because you're scared of a drug.. i'm glad I do the things I do, i'm also glad i'm not as big as a cunt as you are.
You were just on my grow thread like 2 weeks ago telling me they look awesome, now i'm an awful person because I live my life diferently.

I'm not retarded, I'm just not a pussy who thinks humans have no control over their actions.

just because your plants are looking good doesnt change your an idiot doing shit like meth. now i may have come off a little hard on that but thats just how strongly i feel about drugs like that. meth is for idiots. there are way "healthier" drugs out there you can get on than a bunch of household chems mixed together. none of the stuff in it by itself is good for you so all of it mixed together sure as hell cant be. sorry for coming off so strong on the subject but use some common sense! you shouldnt ever be putting that shit in your body.

 

[Xrangex]

just because your plants are looking good doesnt change your an idiot doing shit like meth. now i may have come off a little hard on that but thats just how strongly i feel about drugs like that. meth is for idiots. there are way "healthier" drugs out there you can get on than a bunch of household chems mixed together. none of the stuff in it by itself is good for you so all of it mixed together sure as hell cant be. sorry for coming off so strong on the subject but use some common sense! you shouldnt ever be putting that shit in your body.

Oh my bad, I guess the drugs you choose to do are smarter and healthier than the drugs I choose to do. The household chemicals hold the pure chemicals need to make methamphetamine, it's not like I'm melting straight pseudoephedrine into my body, when you cook meth it changes those house hold chemicals into something you can get high off of. You think alcohol abuse is any better than meth abuse? If so then you haven't had to live with an alcoholic. It's just another chemical. Just like thc, just like LSD, just like alcohol, just like psylocybin, just like coffee, and just like the chemicals released during sex.
Dont pretend that you know what you're doing on this earth, your post wasn't "too harsh" it was you're an idiot and I hope you blow up in a meth leb. So lick my cock dude, your opinion is meaningless to me.

 

[Snowed]

Anyone that tries to justify meth use and say it's not as bad as they say it is... is either:

A new addict in denial, or never been around that shit or met an ex addict. My best friends step brother missing all his front fucking teeth was nough for me to not touch that shit

 

[drolove]

Oh my bad, I guess the drugs you choose to do are smarter and healthier than the drugs I choose to do. The household chemicals hold the pure chemicals need to make methamphetamine, it's not like I'm melting straight pseudoephedrine into my body, when you cook meth it changes those house hold chemicals into something you can get high off of. You think alcohol abuse is any better than meth abuse? If so then you haven't had to live with an alcoholic. It's just another chemical. Just like thc, just like LSD, just like alcohol, just like psylocybin, just like coffee, and just like the chemicals released during sex.
Dont pretend that you know what you're doing on this earth, your post wasn't "too harsh" it was you're an idiot and I hope you blow up in a meth leb. So lick my cock dude, your opinion is meaningless to me.

lol getting pretty upset for a meaningless opinion
those household chemicals do not hold a PURE chemical. you get that chemical plus all the other ones in there with it. how could taking in battery acid be good for you in any way. i smoke weed and thats about it, a drink from time to time. i think just about EVERYBODY would agree weed and alcohol are better than meth. both have some medicinal benefits. dont think meth does....so ya....
im living in the heart of the meth state and hear every day on the radio of your kind being busted or a meth lab blowing up. those damn things are blowing up at least twice a month in my area alone. dont sound like you guys are the sharpest tool in the shed, and im an idiot....lol....hear about you on the radio. later!

 

[chewberto]

I think the dude that claims to have invented ICE has got to take the cake..

Anyone that tries to justify meth use and say it's not as bad as they say it is... is either:

A new addict in denial, or never been around that shit or met an ex addict. My best friends step brother missing all his front fucking teeth was nough for me to not touch that shit

 

[testtime]

I think the dude that claims to have invented ICE has got to take the cake..

I got my cake, and I eat it too.

I'm sorry you are all upset that I had a happy time with it in my youth.

I'm sorry that I expect people to be a bit less emotional in how they deal with this, a bit more logical, and attempt to understand the various types of drug addiction paths in their body, and behave appropriately.

I know most won't.

Narcotics (opiates) go the endorphin path. Alcohol, barbiturates, hypnotics go the GABA path. Amphetamines go the dopamine path. While they may affect a variety of chemicals in your body, these are the major agonist/antagonist pathways and the cause very different types of behavior both in immediate reaction and long term addiction, especially how they may or may not trigger seizures and death during withdrawal.

When I was 13-18, I STUDIED the PDR. It was fun. That was a LONG time ago. Science in the last 5 years has given incredible leaps in the amount we know of how these substances interact at the molecular level.

You give stories. Yes, these ARE dangerous substances, and YES, most people should stay the fuck away from them. But there are a small subset that can handle them.

I did. I simply choose not to now because of my age, blood pressure, and heart condition (which has NOTHING (or very little, hey, it's possible)) with my drug use in my youth. I didn't lose all my teeth or steal from my friend to support my use.

Right now I stick with pot (pain, anti-inflammatory, fun) and shrooms and other majors but only rarely (3 times a year seems the norm nowaways). But that is only because I don't want to push my heart with a major dopamine driver. Not because I'm worried about becoming addicted to it.

But opiates TERRIFY me.

Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. Slice you to little bits. Nicely, if possible, because we are all here NOT to get SCREAMED at, we are here to be educated.

Oh, BTW: I had a bad trip when I was 18, realized my life was going nowhere, and volunteered to go to rehab. I had a "bad trip". I now know there is no such thing as a "bad trip", they are all educational experiences, and to be treasured. In this case, it got me into rehab, which is what I needed at that time in my life. I would very happily (reverently even) take some quality LSD today. Well, not today, kinda busy, but you get my point.

Meth was a very small part of that equation. I spent 30 days there and was clean (no NOTHING) for 7 months. I went to meeting at least 3 times a week, lived with an NA buddy, and only hung with NA people. I then smoked a couple of bong hits (7 months in), didn't get any for the next day, realized it was not a good idea, and stopped.

FOR 20+ years. Nothing. I may have had 10 doctor prescribed pills the entire time during back spasms. No drink, no over the counter, no NOTHING. Then a mild spiral in doctor prescribed pills for very good reasons (he's retiring in a week, last meeting with him, it was a hell of an education over the last 20 years for him, me "clean" and then me now, mhahahahahaaha)

AA/NA meetings the 1st 10 years, nothing for the next 10.

I've got counselor level knowledge and experience that you could not imagine. I'm done the "speaker" tour. I'm an invited guest (or at least was) for rehab visit/speaker days.

I KNOW that stats.

So, go ahead, try to have a rational non attack discussion. We may all learn something. But please leave the hysterics for the children.

 

[testtime]

i think just about EVERYBODY would agree weed and alcohol are better than meth. both have some medicinal benefits. dont think mleth does....so ya....

Actually, no. The effect it is having on your state is more due to the level of illegality and the poor availability of a decent formulation. Which has nothing to do with the particular chemical, just the ability to make it a variety of crappy ways.

Len Bias was the 1st public death I ever heard of a coke head. I heard of speed freaks going on multiday jags and "cracking", but that was the small subset that would shoot it. That was after years of using, along with many of the peer group (school then work). While I'm sure people died or went into addictive death spirals, it was rare and isolated.

If a chemical like alcohol was introduced today it would immediately be illegal. Level of deaths and addiction is huge, actual death during withdrawal is MORE probable than heroin (but nothing beats the barbituates for death potential during withdrawal benzoes included in this) and socially accepted for the most part. I know "functional" alcoholics. They are fucked up people, the only reason we tolerate them is that it is legal NOW, and we had such a fucked up time in this country during prohibition (and are repeating it for pot), that it will not be made illegal today.

Check out the death rate and compare them.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death

Also, they are usually only assholes for a short while before they go to sleep, speed freaks annoy you all night.

In the old days, when we either ate it (desoxyns, yes, I had pharmaceutical meth, you poor wannabe bastard, oh sorry, a bit snippy, ooommmmmm), snorted the crystal (oh the lovely purple gray crystals), or watch other people skin pop it. Oh, oh, I allowed a needle into my skin once. Just once. And some of us, with a bit of knowledge could create it. And then people like me, with even less knowledge, would attempt to follow the recipe. Way way way many more steps than today's shake and bake. I should have blown up many times over. And I fucked up the hydrochloride bind, ONCE, ended up with a more yellow than purple crystal, and it had no effect when snorting. But it was INCREDIBLE when smoked. I TRIED to do it again. And failed. Each time after it I made regular meth. Oh well.

I bought a mouse to test the 1st batch on when I started. When correct, the HCL based on is water soluble, and when I gave it to the mouse (dosage? Who the fuck knows, let's just see if it survives) , the mouse shook a lot an ran around like crazy, and survived.

Then it ate it's way out of the box it was in and lived in my closet for 2 months. It would come out int he middle of the night and forage. It trapped itself in my bong, probably looking for water.

So yeah, sorry, did it.

Back to medicinal: Speed used to be for weight loss. That generation of speed freak housewives vacuuming until 4fuckingAM in the morning (thanks mom) survived pretty well. Smoking and/or shooting was not on their todo list, but popping the little pill was. And then they found out it aids in attention, study ability, and measurable mental capacity. Too much is bad, too often is bad, but then, what about the generation ADHD kids on it? It really does calm them down and let them interact with society. You got kids? I do. I KNOW the difference in a year of no meds, tears, crisis, inability to think, no hope, etc, and then, poof, oh, hi, how you doing?, sure, school was great today.

Also, I have a stack of chems to choose from at any given moment. A few years spent trading and accumulating will give someone quite a candy store to enjoy. A taste once every few weeks of most substances is quite reasonable, with addiction potential nil. Try to open up your horizons do less of any single chemical (or family), and you may find life gets better. Try to not to disparage and insult others for their choices, unless that particular person held you down and got you addicted for a few weeks.

And really, assuming my (or someone else's (Mr Educk, Canndo, etc) level of knowledge is usually a poor path to go and attempt to argue. These people are way ahead of most, and even if they have occasional life choices that I don't agree with or did not end up well, they speak with knowledge and a sense of personal rights and responsibilities This is not cookie cutter shit, you gotta actually think about each and every decision. Like life in general.

Ehh, so anyway, any other questions?

 

[beuffer420]

Justify your drug use whatever way you need to because that's what an addict does. You tweakers and users of sorts aren't smart enough to even see your denial already. I was a speedballer for seven years and absolutely no good came from it except my enlightenment to how stooooooopid I was. Ruin your body if you must its the only one you have so another point for u.

then you've done drugs since fifteen and you say your not an addict? Then it should be easy as hell to not do it then, right? No instead you let a little thought in your brain make your stomach start to turn and boom off to the races as I used to say.

Youll keep living your life though as if your some great citizen but its people like you tweakers who pave the path towards this war on drugs so thanks. Keep up the great work guys maybe you'll make president one day.

When I was using I was good for no one I deserved to be locked up I was a menace to society. I now live my life for others not my own personal gain which in your guys case is your personal demise. Which will happen trust me maybe not now tomorrow ect ect but remember this post when your homeless on the streets and can only think about drugs.

i used to think they helped me or that's what I told myself they were doing. I lived outside in Michigan for over 1000 days winters were a bitch barley survived them all to get high. Granted now I've been clean for seven years now but the time I lost will never be returned its gone and my brain has to pay for it along with the abuse I put my body through.

i know I sound derrogative but I know who I was using and who I am now its nite and day to me. Like I said above a menace to society. I deserved nothing and still don't have anything coming.

Really reach deep and ask yourself, is what your doing right? I know no matter how I tried to justify it at the end of the day I was still not doing right by life. DON'T DISHONOR YOUR FAMILY OR YOURSELF LIVE LIFE ON LIFE'S TERMS!

SPIRAL OUTWARD NOT INWARD!

 

[atidd11]

http://www.totse2.com/showthread.php?15131-Pseudoephedrine-Extraction-by-Diacetyl

http://www.totse2.com/showthread.php?15541-Push-Pull-the-tea-of-the-Gods

This is how u make meth