How many innocent lives are your guns worth?

[canndo]

Hello?

DO you have a "Reasonable Gun Control policy" we keep hearing so much about but have yet to hear any details? You know the policy's that "we just won't listen to because we are too stubborn"......Well we are listening...and we never hear anything...


Why the fuck are you suggestion something so vague? What the fuck is wrong with you? Just what the hell are you suggesting?

I am suggesting that if we cannot get fully automatic firearms then gun control works, as those guns have been controlled out of the general population.

 

[kelly4]

Sliencers are illegal too, right?

Anyone who wants a gun silencer can also get one. You will need to pass the back ground check and pay some fees. It may take a little while, but you can get one.

 

[Figong]

Lawful citizens cannot obtain those guns BECAUSE they are lawful citizens.

Criminals (people with records) will get handguns and rifles WITHOUT registering, doing a background check etc. They just need to find someone willing to sell their firearm.

Which is quite interesting, to say the very least - they outlaw a ton of things.. yet per ATF regulations related to NFA/GCA - grenade and rocket launcher attachments for "military type" rifles.. do not fall under destructive devices, so you could legally buy one. The issue comes w/the shells. The grenade and rocket launcher shells -do- fall under NFA.

 

[deprave]

I am suggesting that if we cannot get fully automatic firearms then gun control works, as those guns have been controlled out of the general population.

Do you realize that automatic firearms being illegal is not only illogical and pointless but that criminals can still make their gun into automatic for less than 10$ if they really wanted to? Your point proves nothing, thats like saying if hummers were illegal that car control works, Nobody needs a hummer bad enough to build one when they have a car.


The Point is....

You have no suggestion for "Reasonable Gun control measures", nobody ever has...end of discussion as far as this being a possible solution to the actual problem at hand until someone comes up with one...

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[kelly4]

I am suggesting that if we cannot get fully automatic firearms then gun control works, as those guns have been controlled out of the general population.

You are wrong.

Anyone who can pass the back ground check, has the money, and is willing to wait, can get a fully automatic weapon.

 

[canndo]

Sliencers are illegal too, right?

Anyone who wants a gun silencer can also get one. You will need to pass the back ground check and pay some fees. It may take a little while, but you can get one.

Then one could say that gun regulation works as well.

 

[canndo]

You are wrong.

Anyone who can pass the back ground check, has the money, and is willing to wait, can get a fully automatic weapon.

Gee - then backgound checks, high fees and waiting periods work as well, don't they.

 

[Figong]

Sliencers are illegal too, right?

Anyone who wants a gun silencer can also get one. You will need to pass the back ground check and pay some fees. It may take a little while, but you can get one.

Yup, and the 'tax', w/I believe a 200? USD fee if memory serves.

 

[kelly4]

Sliencers are illegal too, right?

Anyone who wants a gun silencer can also get one. You will need to pass the back ground check and pay some fees. It may take a little while, but you can get one.

Then one could say that gun regulation works as well.

How is that your response to what's quoted?

There are a lot of times where you don't make any sense...

You keep saying that we can't legally get fully automatic weapons......WE CAN!

 

[canndo]

Do you realize that automatic firearms being illegal is not only illogical and pointless but that criminals can still make their gun into automatic for less than 10$ if they really wanted to? Your point proves nothing, thats like saying if hummers were illegal that car control works, Nobody needs a hummer bad enough to build one when they have a car.


The Point is....

You have no suggestion for "Reasonable Gun control measures", nobody ever has...end of discussion as far as this being a possible solution to the actual problem at hand until someone comes up with one...

I

i am not offering gun control measures here. My affinity for an appliance is not in jeopardy, yours is. It is up to you to submit "reasonable" gun control or unreasonable gun control will be placed upon you. So what do you have?

 

[deprave]

i am not offering gun control measures here. My affinity for an appliance is not in jeopardy, yours is. It is up to you to submit "reasonable" gun control or unreasonable gun control will be placed upon you. So what do you have?

There is no such thing as reasonable gun control measures, If you can come up with one, I'd be glad to hear it, until then your are just trolling. No measure of gun control ever proposed addresses the family issues and mental issues that create gun violence. My suggestion is a good childhood for every child with loving parents in a non-abusive or threatening household to reduce victims and violence.

Keep on trolling.

 

[kelly4]

Gee - then backgound checks, high fees and waiting periods work as well, don't they.

No, it goes to show that law abiding gun owners respect the law.

How are back ground checks, high fees(not so high, actually), and waiting periods gonna stop Jabar from getting his mac 10 on the street corner?

Remember that guns don't kill....criminals do.

 

[canndo]

How is that your response to what's quoted?

There are a lot of times where you don't make any sense...

You keep saying that we can't legally get fully automatic weapons......WE CAN!

that you cannot decern that "sense" I make does not necessarily indicate that I do not make it. That is the problem with conservatives in general - if it can't be spoon fed to them in small, delicious easily to swallow bites, it must be the proposer's fault for - not making any sense.


Gun regulation does not necessarily include the absolute denial of all people all guns, it denies some people some guns - it is said by the more gun rabid among you that regulation does not work. Clearly, if only some people, some times, under great scrutiny are able to obtain fully automatic weapons, then gun control
(the control over who gets what weapons - and (unfortunately), why - works)

to the point of the 10 dollar modifications to fully automatic weapons in order to render them fully automatic - first we could apply pressure upon manufacturers to come up with a cure. Second, if it is so easy, why are we not seeing more of it in mass shootings?

 

[Figong]

You are wrong.

Anyone who can pass the back ground check, has the money, and is willing to wait, can get a fully automatic weapon.

Sort of... Civilians -can not-, even with Class 3, own any machine gun or automatic-type weapon that was manufactured or registered with the BATF -after- May 19, 1986. Anything after that date is restricted to law enforcement and military use only... which means at best, your auto is 27 years old, and has seen some time. I would see this mostly benefiting the collector than any who plan to abuse it.

 

[Doer]

Big Lie - we just want you to be reasonable

Codifies the little lie and converts to true for later

Gun owners are so unreasonable
Remember last time?

We know who you are and we see what you do.

 

[canndo]

There is no such thing as reasonable gun control measures, If you can come up with one, I'd be glad to hear it, until then your are just trolling. No measure of gun control ever proposed addresses the family issues and mental issues that create gun violence. My suggestion is a good childhood for every child with loving parents in a non-abusive or threatening household to reduce victims and violence.

Keep on trolling.

that is the problem with the gun folks - the point to solutions that are even more impossible than the ones others propose. how would you get every child with loving parents and a good upbringing? (and do you actually suppose that is all it would take to end the gun crazy violence? really?).


I didn't come here to offer a solution - i cam here to offer reality - that your insistance on unfettered ownership of any and all firearms costs society. You are either willing to meet that cost head on as NLX did or you are lying to yourself.


Once you are actually willing to admit the cost then things can actually be done to mitigate that cost, until then there is the same stalemate until enough children have died that your right to keep and bear will be seriously in danger - and you know this to be true.

 

[kelly4]

that you cannot decern that "sense" I make does not necessarily indicate that I do not make it. That is the problem with conservatives in general - if it can't be spoon fed to them in small, delicious easily to swallow bites, it must be the proposer's fault for - not making any sense.


Gun regulation does not necessarily include the absolute denial of all people all guns, it denies some people some guns - it is said by the more gun rabid among you that regulation does not work. Clearly, if only some people, some times, under great scrutiny are able to obtain fully automatic weapons, then gun control
(the control over who gets what weapons - and (unfortunately), why - works)

to the point of the 10 dollar modifications to fully automatic weapons in order to render them fully automatic - first we could apply pressure upon manufacturers to come up with a cure. Second, if it is so easy, why are we not seeing more of it in mass shootings?

How are legally obtainable silencers proving your point that gun regulations work?

That is why I said you make no sense.

Silencers....

 

[deprave]

that you cannot decern that "sense" I make does not necessarily indicate that I do not make it. That is the problem with conservatives in general - if it can't be spoon fed to them in small, delicious easily to swallow bites, it must be the proposer's fault for - not making any sense.


Gun regulation does not necessarily include the absolute denial of all people all guns, it denies some people some guns - it is said by the more gun rabid among you that regulation does not work. Clearly, if only some people, some times, under great scrutiny are able to obtain fully automatic weapons, then gun control
(the control over who gets what weapons - and (unfortunately), why - works)

to the point of the 10 dollar modifications to fully automatic weapons in order to render them fully automatic - first we could apply pressure upon manufacturers to come up with a cure. Second, if it is so easy, why are we not seeing more of it in mass shootings?

Great so we have some suggestions..GREAT!.. but wait .....SURPRISE! THEY ARE COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL!

*first we could apply pressure upon manufacturers to come up with a cure.

To make a gun fully automatic is simple mechanics, This is 100 year old technology here. Its basic metal work.

*Gun regulation does not necessarily include the absolute denial of all people all guns, it denies some people some guns

As I wrote, You cannot even be specific and provide the details on how this supposedly awesome gun control plan is going to work or even what it entails without being completely irrational/unreasonable/illogical/fallacious/vague etc..

Second, if it is so easy, why are we not seeing more of it in mass shootings?

its easy, google it. It can be done with a paperclip actually on some guns, you don't really need to do metal work. You expose your self again as someone completely naive about guns, automatic fire is only good for cover fire your less likely to hit your target.

 

[kelly4]

Sort of... Civilians -can not-, even with Class 3, own any machine gun or automatic-type weapon that was manufactured or registered with the BATF -after- May 19, 1986. Anything after that date is restricted to law enforcement and military use only... which means at best, your auto is 27 years old, and has seen some time. I would see this mostly benefiting the collector than any who plan to abuse it.

There are a lot of very nice, perfectly working automatics out there.

I was looking into buying an M60 for my dad who was a chopper gunner in 'Nam.

M60's in good working order are not cheap. That is what's keeping these guns out of school shooters hands, not government interference.

 

[Figong]

that is the problem with the gun folks - the point to solutions that are even more impossible than the ones others propose. how would you get every child with loving parents and a good upbringing? (and do you actually suppose that is all it would take to end the gun crazy violence? really?).


I didn't come here to offer a solution - i cam here to offer reality - that your insistance on unfettered ownership of any and all firearms costs society. You are either willing to meet that cost head on as NLX did or you are lying to yourself.


Once you are actually willing to admit the cost then things can actually be done to mitigate that cost, until then there is the same stalemate until enough children have died that your right to keep and bear will be seriously in danger - and you know this to be true.

Stalemate my ass, quick math says if we were to give just -2%- of our current US military veterans (those who pass psych eval, re-qual in weapons/etc) jobs in our schools.. this would not happen. 2% would guarantee 4 soldiers fully armed... perfect for active shooter situation in any aspect, as well as 2x2 leapfrog, room clearing.. check/clear.. the list of benefits with a group of 4 are nearly endless, as most are cross-trained. There's a viable, sane approach to an active shooter. Give the US notice that if you try, you will be engaged by 4 military veterans who will be heavily armored, and armed both. Bet your ass that there won't be another Sandy Hook if it gets implemented.