I do notice some withdraw symptoms. Mostly just the urge to redose aswell as some mild depression. However, I notice these same symptoms while using weed. I find that weed also leaves me wanting something "harder". Im usually content with just smoking spice.
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Oh OK, I'll just take your word for it.
ive smoked both once in my lifetime and the highs are eerily close. your absolutly right the stuff is for junkies.
Unless you wish to invest in a real lab, you won't be making anything close to the intensity of spice, anytime in the near future... You could do it partially, with HU-210, which is in the spice, it's Δ9-THC (synthetic, obviously) - with a nice little batch of 'bonzai fertilizer' (JWH-01) and a few other things. You could, in theory.. order each and every component in the Spice, and attempt to do it yourself. As for up-to-date, just look for anything related to HU-210 or JWH-018.. and go from there.
My girlfriends brother started smoking spice cause he was on probation and couldn't smoke weed (probation piss tested him). He eventually started smoking everyday, then 3-4 times a day, then eventually he had to take hits every hour or so... Next thing you know, he lost his job and he's stealing shit to buy spice - LMAO... Needless to say, he's doing 3 years in prison now. Maybe this cat is different - but I'll bet by the way he talks and his denial, it's starting to take over his life too.
That's due to synthetic THC in Spice being a full CB1 angonist, whereas the THC in normal mj being a partial CB1 agonist... wouldn't surprise me if that's only part of it, and something else in the Spice is triggering CB2R, which is directly related in the modulation/control of immune function.
does that include puking blood? personal experience that and breaking a needle in my arm while at the hospital cause i could not relax my body.
The chemical makeup of Spice can cause every side-effect (both good and bad) of mj and then some, up to and including heart attack, seizures, kidney failure and quite a few other things.. all depends on the mix of the spice.. and from what I've read in some googling in the past, there's really no strict QC for most of the Spice-type manufacturers, so you could have what may consider to be 'weak', then extremely potent.. in 2 different packs, bought at the same time. "Tainted" Spice is most commonly known for the Wyoming and Oregon kidney failure incidents, which included heavy amounts of back pain, stomach pain, vomiting.. from normal to bright red blood.
Spice is a full agonist and can definitely kill you. MJ is a partial agonist and definitely cannot.
bright red. straight blood, almost and now that you mention kidneys my back hurt like hell the day(lower back) after i mean my whole body was sore, but that could have just been from being so tense.
Whoa I may be alot of things but in denial isn't one of them. Your just talkin' to talk now.. Grain of salt.........
You very well may have had some of the stuff that got tainted and put in circulation for your first (and last, I assume) time... if you have issues with kidneys now, make sure you address that with your doctor as it very well could have done enough damage that it needs to be addressed before it gets worse.
hmm like what? i think ill be alright i dont do any drugs besides weed regularly and damage will heal, i am very very healthy, thank you for your concern tho.
Full agonist situation causes what could be considered a 'full response' being 100%, upon receptor binding. Partial is any % less than 100. That is the difference.. not blocking other chemicals, nothing of that sort... Agonist -allows- receptor binding .. Antagonist still binds, but cushions/dampens/blocks agonist responses. As for it resulting in death, am not sure where you're getting that by any means...