Ninjabowler
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It says that right in the article i posted bright bulb. Monsanto put fish genes into tomatos. Yup those are the guys i want growing my food!!!
GMO sucks!!
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GMO sucks!!
echelon1k1
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Hypocrisy..........
ginjawarrior
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fish gene tomatoes where never ever commercialised
and it wasnt fucking monsanto that did it either
UncleBuck
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dude, you were the one who told me to try these farm fresh GMO crops. so tell me about how i can get some farm fresh GMO corn. tell me about how edible it is.
UncleBuck
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neve rassign to malice that which can be explained by stupidity (hanlon's razor).
i just don't think ginja is aware that farm fresh GMO corn is not edible. it is processed or refined into other products.
there is no such thing as farm fresh GMO corn.
ginjawarrior
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nonsense you made the original claim about being able to taste the difference between non gmo and gmo
i tried to find out how you came about the claim
it then transpired that you are actually talking about processed food tasting worse than home cooked food
at every point where you had a chance walk you claim back you doubled down
get a spine
ginjawarrior
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oh so now its strawman
doubling down on your lies shows how very strong your position is doesnt it
ginjawarrior
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UncleBuck
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so you're trying to make a distinction between "came from a GMO seed" and "came from a regular seed and was processed with GMO HFCS (or other such additive)"?
UncleBuck
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googled it but can't find anyone selling farm fresh GMO corn.
Ninjabowler
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Hybrid vs. genetically modified plants
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March 15, 2012 12:00 am • Joel Marshall/The Forward View(0) Comments
Is planting hybrid tomatoes like Better Boys, Big Boys, or Early Girls safe, and how can someone ensure that they’re not purchasing GMO (genetically modified organism) seeds? These two variations of seeds are often tied together because of misconceptions and lack of information.
The short answer is easy: Better Boy tomatoes are easy to grow in our sandy Central Coast soil, and for ordering seeds, I rely on either of my favorite seed companies: Bountiful Gardens or Seeds of Change, but if it’s the deciding factor on whether you’ll have a garden in the first place, you can purchase seeds from a big-box store and feel safe you won’t be planting GMOs.
The long (and more preferred) answer is a little more involved:
GMO seeds are genetically modified plants created by scientists in order to circumvent the laws of nature by way of gene splicing with multimillion dollar pieces of equipment. GMOs are able to exhibit specific traits from any number of geneses and species. GMO seeds are most commonly used in industrial agriculture, most notably in corn, cotton, soy, and canola.
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March 15, 2012 12:00 am • Joel Marshall/The Forward View(0) Comments
Is planting hybrid tomatoes like Better Boys, Big Boys, or Early Girls safe, and how can someone ensure that they’re not purchasing GMO (genetically modified organism) seeds? These two variations of seeds are often tied together because of misconceptions and lack of information.
The short answer is easy: Better Boy tomatoes are easy to grow in our sandy Central Coast soil, and for ordering seeds, I rely on either of my favorite seed companies: Bountiful Gardens or Seeds of Change, but if it’s the deciding factor on whether you’ll have a garden in the first place, you can purchase seeds from a big-box store and feel safe you won’t be planting GMOs.
The long (and more preferred) answer is a little more involved:
GMO seeds are genetically modified plants created by scientists in order to circumvent the laws of nature by way of gene splicing with multimillion dollar pieces of equipment. GMOs are able to exhibit specific traits from any number of geneses and species. GMO seeds are most commonly used in industrial agriculture, most notably in corn, cotton, soy, and canola.
ginjawarrior
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not all processed food is gmo plain and simple
one is the manner in which the food is bred
the other is the industrial process that happens after the food is harvested
how hard a concept should that be to handle?
"i do not like procssed food its tastes shitty and gives me indigestion"
"i do not agree with GMO for ethical reasons a worries of the future"
^^
two perfectly good honest statements buck that would make you not a liar
"i do not like GMO it taste shitty and gives me indigestion"
^^for that to be honest you should be telling me about the farm fresh GMO
lets see if you got the integrity for this
ginjawarrior
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if you hadnt of made the claim that you have tasted the difference between the 2 (a claim that needs a like for like comparison)
then you wouldnt have to be desperately erecting straw men like this
UncleBuck
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how do you have a "like for like" comparison between my corn and GMO corn when you can't very well eat GMO corn?
see what i'm getting at?
UncleBuck
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that's about 10-15% true.
ginjawarrior
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exactly does that mean you withdraw your statement that your body can taste and feel the difference as being faulty from the start? seeing as you have never done like for like
see what im getting at?
Ninjabowler
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Oh no?? The internet is calling you a liar again
Throwing Biotech Lies at Tomatoes – Part 1: Killer Tomatoes
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_61930.shtml
Remember the pictures of the fish tomatoes? For years they were an unofficial emblem of the anti-GMO movement. They depicted how anti- freeze genes from an Arctic fish were forced into tomato DNA, allowing the plants to survive frost. Scientists really did create those Frankentomatoes, but they were never put on the market. (Breyers low- fat ice cream, however, does contain anti-freeze proteins from Arctic fish genes, but that’s another story.)
The tomato that did make it to market was called the Flavr Savr, engineered for longer shelf life. Fortunately, it was removed from the shelves soon after it was introduced.
Although there are no longer any genetically modified (GM) tomatoes being sold today, the FDA’s shady approval process of the Flavr Savr provides a lesson in food safety—or rather, the lack of it—as far as gene-spliced foods are concerned. We know what reallywent on during the FDA’s voluntary review process of the Flavr Savr in 1993, because a lawsuit forced the release of 44,000 agency memos.
(Those same memos, by the way, also showed that FDA scientists had repeatedly warned their superiors about the serious health risks of genetically modified organisms [GMOs]. They were ignored by the political appointees in charge, who allow GMOs onto the market without any required safety studies.)
Bleeding stomachs
Calgene, the tomatoes’ creator-in-chief (now a part of Monsanto), voluntarily conducted three 28-day rat feeding studies. Before I share the gory details, I must commend the Calgene scientists who were committed to transparency and full disclosure with the FDA. Unlike all other subsequent voluntary submissions from biotech firms to the agency, Calgene provided detailed feeding study data and full reports. Dr. Belinda Martineau, one of Calgene’s tomato makers, writes in First Fruit about their commitment to an open process while they attempted to introduce the world’s first GM food crop.
Calgene tested two separate Flavr Savr tomato lines. Both had the same gene inserted into the same type of tomato. The process of insertion and the subsequent cloning of the cells into GM plants can cause lots of unique and unpredicted consequences. The two lines, therefore, were notconsidered identical.
The rats that ate one of these Flavr Savr varieties probably wished they were in a different test group. Out of 20 female rats, 7 developed stomach lesions—bleeding stomachs. The rats eating the other Flavr Savr, or the natural tomatoes, or no tomatoes at all, had no lesions.
If we humans had such effects in our stomachs, according to Dr. Arpad Pusztai, a top GMO safety and animal feeding expert, it “could lead to life-endangering hemorrhage, particularly in the elderly who use aspirin to prevent thrombosis.”
The lab that performed the study for Calgene acknowledged that the results “did suggest a possible treatment related” problem. FDA scientists repeatedly asked Calgene to provide additional data in order to resolve what they regarded as outstanding safety questions. The director of FDA’s Office of Special Research Skills wrote that thetomatoes did not demonstrate a “reasonable certainty of no harm,” which is the normal standard of safety. The Additives Evaluation Branch agreed that “unresolved questions still remain,” and the staff pathologist stated, “In the absence of adequate explanations by Calgene, the issues raised by the Pathology Branch … remain and leave doubts as to the validity of any scientific conclusion(s) which may be drawn from the studies’ findings.”
Oh yeah, some rats died
The team that had obtained the formerly secret FDA documents sent the full Flavr Savr studies to Dr. Pusztai for review and comment. While reading them, he happened across an endnote that apparently the FDA scientists either did not see or chose to ignore. The text nonchalantly indicated that 7 of the 40 rats fed the Flavr Savr tomato died within two weeks. The dead rats had eaten the same tomato line as those that developed lesions. In the other groups, fed the other Flavr Savr line, a natural tomato control, or a water control, only one rat had died.
But the endnote summarily dismissed the cause of death as husbandry error, and no additional data or explanation was provided. The dead rats were simply replaced with new ones.
When I discussed this finding with Dr. Pusztai over the phone, he was beside himself. He told me emphatically that in proper studies, younever just dismiss the cause of death with an unsupported footnote. He said that the details of the post mortem analysis must be included in order to rule out possible causes or to raise questions for additional research. Furthermore, you simply never replace test animals once the research begins.
ginjawarrior
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completely irrelevant
GMO = how its bred (you know before its even sown)
processed food = what happens to it after its harvested
the are not the same and should not be conflated
UncleBuck
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peas with HFCS are still a GMO food. and my body know the difference without any doubt.