Jacks Fertilizer Pro series question

[cohippy]

Hello we switched from fox farms tri of fertilizers to Jacks classic dynamic duo (general purpose 20-20-20 and blossom booster 10-30-20) and all but 2 of our flowering plants are using 2 tablespoons of BB per gallon plus 10Ml calmag every watering.....and about 1 1/2 tablespoons of AP plus 10Ml calmag every watering in veg.

We had some mag deficiencies however the 10Ml of calmag has cleared that up mostly so far. its been a week so far at the 10Ml of calmag.

My question involves switching from the all purpose to jacks professional High performance 25-5-15 for veg and jacks professional blossom booster 10-30-20. Has anyone used these? I know a few people on here use jacks but i can find no info on using the professional versions.

We are prominently growing World of Seeds Afghan Kush x Yumboult in fox farm happy frog soil we are switching back to Ocean forest however. this is an indoor grow under 1 1000watt HPS in flower and 3 125 watt cfl's in veg.

So has anyone had experience with jacks professional line of nutrients? They do not seem to be much different than the dynamic duo of AP and BB other than being able to get 25lb bags and a much better price than so called specialty marijuana nutrients that weren't even designed using pot plants....so tired of wasting my hard earned $ on fancy graphics of crap nutrients especially advanced nutrients......

 

[michaeljdumpout]

i was thinking about using the same products until i came to the conclusion i only want to vist my op once a month

 

[Uncle Ben]

I first introduced the world of cannabis growers to Jack's 15 years ago. They are some of the best foods available for soil growers.

2 TBSP per gallon and you surely have killed your plants by now.

UB

 

[cohippy]

2 TBSP per gallon and you surely have killed your plants by now.

7 weeks into flower at 2 tablespoons of BB and they are doing well pics to come

 

[Uncle Ben]

7 weeks into flower at 2 tablespoons of BB and they are doing well pics to come

TABLEspoons or TEAspoons? I can see you maybe getting by with 2 tsp/gallon in very low salt water like rainwater, but not 6 teaspoons/gallon. NO way.

 

[Alexander Supertramp]

He has to be mixing up tablespoon-15ml with teaspoon-5ml. 2 tablespoons per gallon of water would put the ppm off the chart.......even 10ml of calmag sounds like an awful lot, that would take R/O to like 400 ppm give or take.

 

[Uncle Ben]

He has to be mixing up tablespoon-15ml with teaspoon-5ml. 2 tablespoons per gallon of water would put the ppm off the chart.......even 10ml of calmag sounds like an awful lot, that would take R/O to like 400 ppm give or take.

If he means 6 tsp/gallon of the dry Peter Blossom Booster, then yeah, his ppm is like 5,000 which will kill the root system and cause severe defoliation!

 

[cohippy]

this is why i dont post of this forum much.......NO im NOT confusing tsp with tbsp

 

[Uncle Ben]

this is why i dont post of this forum much.......NO im NOT confusing tsp with tbsp

This forum has its share of bullshit, but I'm here to tell you, ya done fucked this one up big time. Get a book on basic indoor culture and read it well. As found on most food labels ONE TEAspoon per gallon is the norm for use on indoor plants in conventional organic potting mixes. Constant feed with every watering of 1/2 tsp/gal. is even better. There is no reason to treat your plants to a nutritional starve/feed cycle. With a mature plant outdoors, say a rose bush, ONE TABLEspoon per gallon, maybe 2 or 3, is fine because there is enough soil do distribute and dilute the salts.

See my sig, and get the facts.

Based on its profile, the Pro would be an excellent choice for cannabis all the way through with perhaps alternating with the BB depending on leaf health and color.
http://www.jrpeters.com/Products/Jack-s-Professional/Jack-s-Pro/General-Purpose-Formulas/25-5-15-High-Performance.html Needs a bit of Mg and about 1/4 tsp of epsom salts with the Pro should do it unless you added dolomite to your soil mix. In that case, you won't need epsom salts.

UB

EDIT - Already has Mg. It's complete.

 

[cohippy]

Per jacks website
For small volume mixing
Dissolve the following amounts in 1 gallon of water. Injectors should not be used.
1/2tsp. = 67.5 ppm
1tsp. = 125 ppm
1tbspn. = 375 ppm

so nuts alone im sitting at about 750 ppm....how the fuck do you come up with 5000?!? maybe its you who has their math all wrong, and THIS is not even on topic with my question

 

[cohippy]

and i use botanicare calmag right on the bottle it says.... accelerated formula 10ml/gallon.......

 

[Uncle Ben]

Per jacks website
For small volume mixing
Dissolve the following amounts in 1 gallon of water. Injectors should not be used.
1/2tsp. = 67.5 ppm
1tsp. = 125 ppm
1tbspn. = 375 ppm

so nuts alone im sitting at about 750 ppm....how the fuck do you come up with 5000?!? maybe its you who has their math all wrong, and THIS is not even on topic with my question

I read that, and don't believe it. That's another one I need to take up with whoever is doing the website at the company. I won't mention names, but I spoke to one of their staff about another error a couple of weeks ago and I see the error still has not been corrected. Compare the Guaranteed Analysis with What The Numbers Mean. One says 15% urea, the other says "High nitrate nitrogen, moderately high potential acidity and no urea". Since one of the lower rung office staff can't or won't get it corrected, guess I need to ask for one of the Peters, an owner. http://www.jrpeters.com/Products/Jack-s-Classic/Citrus-FeED.html There's some clerical errors going on and they need to be corrected. At least I'd correct them if I was upper management. I dealt with an administrative assistant, the type that won't pass you through to upper management. I'm sure you've dealt with those types before. I call them folks who offer "service with contempt". Maybe I'm being unfair, but that staff has had plenty of time to make the correction.

I pulled 5,000 ppm out of my ass to make a point. Did you read my sig link and look at a couple of box labels like Miracle Gro or Vigoro?

UB

 

[cohippy]

ya i dont think they are dead heres a pic of one

 

[cohippy]

I have read your pages in the past you have good points! im not sayiong you are wrong but yes i am up to 2 tbsp over a 5 week period of ramping it up from 1/4 tsp I SLOWLY did this till i knew to back off and i may back off a little more just to make sure.

 

[Uncle Ben]

ya i dont think they are dead heres a pic of one

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Can't tell a thing. FWIW, I think the Citrus FEed would be another excellent food for cannabis. I bought it for fruiting tropicals, wouldn't hesitate to use it on pot.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Just grabbed some tubs of foods. From the labels:

- Peters 10-30-20 (BB) - Indoors - "1/2 tsp/gal. every other week or 1/4 tsp/gal every time you water".

- Citrus FEed - 1 TBS/gallon every 7-10 days or Constant Feed - 1 tsp/gallon every time you water." I assume this recommended rate applies to in-ground citrus trees.

- Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro, 9-3-6 - "1 tsp/gal. apply weekly....." or "Maintenance - 1/4 tsp/gal. with every watering." 1/2 tsp/gallon = 1:5000
- "Foliar app - 1/4 to 1/2 tsp/gallon directly on leaves."

You're welcome.

Uncle Ben

 

[doowmd]

whats your favorite food for outdoors ub? is it this peters product or something else?

 

[Uncle Ben]

whats your favorite food for outdoors ub? is it this peters product or something else?

Last year I used an encapsulated 12 month slow release 18-4-9 with micros, from start to finish - March - November. Really, the only fave I have is whatever NPK value it takes to retain healthy green leaves until harvest.

Peters is great. I just find a constant feed with no maintenance works for me. Product was Polygon by Harrell's Foods.

UB

 

[Woyaboy]

UB, I am so sorry to summon you to an old thread, I have been googling all night trying to find the answer so I am so sorry if this info is just readily available, but I am trying to figure out what you use to grow pot in for the ENTIRE grow. I am VERY interested in the Jack's Classic Citrus FeED grow you've been discussing. I have read up on your Nitrogen even during flowering and I feel like I can/should trust your advice. I am currently sitting on all kinds of shit at my house. FFOF, Happy Frog. Happy Frog Fruit and Flower. EWC's. Kelp. Alflalfa. Oyster Shell. Dolomite etc. I was gonna just make a super soil kinda like SubCools, but damn I think he over kills it with that mix. He tends to take a "everything but the kitchen sink" approach which is fine, but I have a feeling that it doesn't need to be all that complicated. can you please tell me or point me in the right direction to what you use? I have been obsessing over soils for over a month now and I still feel like I don't quite know how to get me to flower without using bottled nutes, which I REFUSE to use.