When do I transfer?

[bmeat]

true..i am just bored a lot of the time.

i learn by arguing on here. it makes you hear some good things, and look up other good things.

 

[qwe1233]

I always find it strange when I'm on these forums and see cannabis advocates arguing. Usually most fans tend to be more on the mellow and uncaring side.

But besides that. With all the discussion about taproots here, I took the liberty of researching the topic and learning a bit more about how it grows and ways to stimulate overall growth. I also learned a bit more about it's effects on the overall health of the plant. I never really knew how complicated the root system of a canna-plant was, and in the long run could have simply destroyed my baby. I'm happy that this basic question thread turned into an argument because I ended up learning a lot from it.

Thanks again to all of you, regardless of whom is right or wrong. After all, learning is what it's all about right?

 

[PlantManBee]

damn I'm glad I'm not a noob. I very rarely get on a bandwagon with any crowd here but Bmeat: learn how to grow before you tell people how to! Any thread I've seen you post in YOU JUST MAKE SHIT UP! please stop, learn how to grow and THEN answer questions.

 

[Dividedsky]

true..i am just bored a lot of the time.

i learn by arguing on here. it makes you hear some good things, and look up other good things.

That's your theory as of a way to get info. Why don't you just ask some of the veteran growers here? Everyone's chill and will share their knowledge, you just have to ask and not come across like you know everything. There's a lot of knowledge on this board, its helped me greatly. Good luck anyways

 

[Dividedsky]

I always find it strange when I'm on these forums and see cannabis advocates arguing. Usually most fans tend to be more on the mellow and uncaring side.

But besides that. With all the discussion about taproots here, I took the liberty of researching the topic and learning a bit more about how it grows and ways to stimulate overall growth. I also learned a bit more about it's effects on the overall health of the plant. I never really knew how complicated the root system of a canna-plant was, and in the long run could have simply destroyed my baby. I'm happy that this basic question thread turned into an argument because I ended up learning a lot from it.

Thanks again to all of you, regardless of whom is right or wrong. After all, learning is what it's all about right?

I know what your saying qwe, I'm not one that gets all pissed and rags on the kid, but there is a lot that do here. After about 2 weeks on this board you'll see what I am talking about.

 

[qwe1233]

I know what your saying qwe, I'm not one that gets all pissed and rags on the kid, but there is a lot that do here. After about 2 weeks on this board you'll see what I am talking about. Also quick ? where you were referring to me as the fan?

by fan I mean everyone on this website who loves pot of course. It was more of a broad sense really. I've also been on these forums for a while, just mostly reading though, never really trying nor posting. I'm trying to compile as much information as I can in order to create my own person grow instructions.

 

[Dividedsky]

by fan I mean everyone on this website who loves pot of course. It was more of a broad sense really. I've also been on these forums for a while, just mostly reading though, never really trying nor posting. I'm trying to compile as much information as I can in order to create my own person grow instructions.

I thought you might have meant phish fan because of my screen name. I was like, I'm mellow man. haha.
Anyways I did the same, I lurked around the grow boards for years before I started posting. I just started posting this past December. It has definitely helped me learn a lot more about growing.

 

[bmeat]

I always find it strange when I'm on these forums and see cannabis advocates arguing. Usually most fans tend to be more on the mellow and uncaring side.

But besides that. With all the discussion about taproots here, I took the liberty of researching the topic and learning a bit more about how it grows and ways to stimulate overall growth. I also learned a bit more about it's effects on the overall health of the plant. I never really knew how complicated the root system of a canna-plant was, and in the long run could have simply destroyed my baby. I'm happy that this basic question thread turned into an argument because I ended up learning a lot from it.

Thanks again to all of you, regardless of whom is right or wrong. After all, learning is what it's all about right?

learn us about the taproot! what did ya read?

 

[Nitro1990]

exactly my point! who needs rockwool!? go direclty into soil! the taproot will grow all the way to the bottem of the conatiner, and then sprout side shoots like its supposed to.

sorry but thats bull! ive had plants that havent got the roots to the bottom of my pots and only have like 6" depth of root mass so how dose the tap root grow to the bottom

and to the op i normally wait till a few roots pop from the cube before potting them about 1" over the cube in soil

 

[Dividedsky]

by fan I mean everyone on this website who loves pot of course. It was more of a broad sense really. I've also been on these forums for a while, just mostly reading though, never really trying nor posting. I'm trying to compile as much information as I can in order to create my own person grow instructions.

I'd gather information by looking for common patterns. For example say there was a ? or method about growing, If I saw multiple people agree on a certain method and have had positive results I'd just figure that would be most likely a successful method to apply since it is not just one person that has tried it and had success. Though I must say this is not the case all the time, you have to apply your own methods with trial and error and there are just flat out proven methods that work.

 

[bmeat]

I'd gather information by looking for common patterns. For example say there was a ? or method about growing, If I saw multiple people agree on a certain method and have had positive results I'd just figure that would be most likely a successful method to apply since it is not just one person that has tried it and had success. Though I must say this is not the case all the time, you have to apply your own methods with trial and error and there are just flat out proven methods that just work.

this is a great idea. go with the proven method thats been tested over and over.

really gonna shut up more, and only post what im positive about.

im really curious to hear what you read about the taproot qwe.

 

[qwe1233]

I'd gather information by looking for common patterns. For example say there was a ? or method about growing, If I saw multiple people agree on a certain method and have had positive results I'd just figure that would be most likely a successful method to apply since it is not just one person that has tried it and had success. Though I must say this is not the case all the time, you have to apply your own methods with trial and error and there are just flat out proven methods that just work.

I've also been trying something similar. But right before I started, something when off in my mind and I remembered the "scientific theory" I learned in elementary school.

Unless every aspect of my grow is exactly the same as those people (ex: environment, root space, Ph levels, light, temperature, water given, humidity, nutrients, etc) there is almost no way to completely rely on the information given. In fact most I can do is use it as a basic guideline to build off of. The chance of my plant surviving depends completely on my capabilities to keep it alive and well.

As for what I learned about the tap root bmeat ; I learned that it'll only extrude as far as it needs to in order to both secure the top growth, and to obtain water. Even if it does eventually hit the "bottom" of an area, the tap root can still continue to extrude. Also, there are different levels of the tap root that handle different jobs. So on and so forth.

 

[bmeat]

but technically, its "better" if the taproot never stops going downwards, becuase that means, becuase the plant will be able to get much taller. thats probably why theyre so big in the wild, becuase the taproot doesnt hit the bottem for a long while, until it gets deep into flower. in a indoor enviornment, the root hits the bottem, and starst to circle around the bottem of the pot, and then climb up the sides.

smartparts are also great becuase the roots stop growing when they hit the fabric..they grow into the fabric and therefore dont have to suffocate themselves to accomadate for being rootbound. they also let air into the roots directly. im gonna make some out of pantyhose.

rockwool cubes are usually short, and therefore they will stop downward growth and switch to side shoots in the taproot. probably will stunt the plant.

did you decide to keep in rockwool or go into soil?

 

[Nitro1990]

Unless every aspect of my grow is exactly the same as those people (ex: environment, root space, Ph levels, light, temperature, water given, humidity, nutrients, etc) there is almost no way to completely rely on the information given. In fact most I can do is use it as a basic guideline to build off of. The chance of my plant surviving depends completely on my capabilities to keep it alive and well.

i experiment with my grows to find the way i like to grow and never use anything on my grow until ive done a lil test on a sacrificial plant i beleve it was Jorge Cervantes who said the most important thing in a grow room is pen and paper and to experiment

 

[qwe1233]

Actually, let me be a bit more in depth.

Did you know that the roots used to absorb air, and the roots used to absorb water and nutrients are actually different? The roots closest to the top handle oxygen absorption, while the roots at the bottom handle water and nutrients.

So I've been thinking. Because I don't want to deprive the seedling of oxygen while it is in the rock wool. I'll no longer water from the top. I'll take the whole plant and half of the rockwool, and dip 1/4th of it into pH adjusted water for 10 - 15 seconds. Afterwards I will not water again for about 2 - 4 days.

 

[Dividedsky]

I've also been trying something similar. But right before I started, something when off in my mind and I remembered the "scientific theory" I learned in elementary school.

Unless every aspect of my grow is exactly the same as those people (ex: environment, root space, Ph levels, light, temperature, water given, humidity, nutrients, etc) there is almost no way to completely rely on the information given. In fact most I can do is use it as a basic guideline to build off of. The chance of my plant surviving depends completely on my capabilities to keep it alive and well.

As for what I learned about the tap root bmeat ; I learned that it'll only extrude as far as it needs to in order to both secure the top growth, and to obtain water. Even if it does eventually hit the "bottom" of an area, the tap root can still continue to extrude. Also, there are different levels of the tap root that handle different jobs. So on and so forth.

Exactly, well said. Use the info you gathered as a building block, a guide. I also try not to overthink it, I'm somewhat a organized person so that definitely helps me with my 1st grow that I'm on right now. I also have been around some friends successful grows in person. With that being said, I try and be as patient as possible, keeping in mind that good things come in time and if I show my plants love and care they will be healthy and happy. I played them a Grateful Dead album last night, I think they like the Dead, haha.

 

[qwe1233]

i experiment with my grows to find the way i like to grow and never use anything on my grow until ive done a lil test on a sacrificial plant i beleve it was Jorge Cervantes who said the most important thing in a grow room is pen and paper and to experiment

Couldn't have said it better mate.

 

[qwe1233]

but technically, its "better" if the taproot never stops going downwards, becuase that means, becuase the plant will be able to get much taller. thats probably why theyre so big in the wild, becuase the taproot doesnt hit the bottem for a long while, until it gets deep into flower. in a indoor enviornment, the root hits the bottem, and starst to circle around the bottem of the pot, and then climb up the sides.

smartparts are also great becuase the roots stop growing when they hit the fabric..they grow into the fabric and therefore dont have to suffocate themselves to accomadate for being rootbound. they also let air into the roots directly. im gonna make some out of pantyhose.

rockwool cubes are usually short, and therefore they will stop downward growth and switch to side shoots in the taproot. probably will stunt the plant.

did you decide to keep in rockwool or go into soil?

I really can't decide whether or not I'll put it in the dirt bmeat. The tap root has definitely reached the bottom, and is now going sideways, QUICKLY. It's already almost extruded across the entire cube. People are telling me to wait, but regardless of what they've done, I have no intentions of stunting the growth of my baby. But then again I'm torn on whether or not I'm doing the right thing.

 

[bmeat]

exactly..im not saying the plant wont "fix" this, it will continue to grow doward, at some point. its just gonna take energy to change its growing patterns. its okay, life enjoys adapting..

luckily roots have the advantage of having gravity on their side.

its really up to you. probably not a big enough variable to change much in the long run..

what do i say? i say put the cube in the soil while the taproot is already busy reaching for the center of the earth, instead of interrupting it twice.

i have the same reasoning for starting seed directly in soil. rockwool may speed up the germination process though, since its hydro.

 

[Nitro1990]

I really can't decide whether or not I'll put it in the dirt bmeat. The tap root has definitely reached the bottom, and is now going sideways, QUICKLY. It's already almost extruded across the entire cube. People are telling me to wait, but regardless of what they've done, I have no intentions of stunting the growth of my baby. But then again I'm torn on whether or not I'm doing the right thing.

dude if i was you id not listen to anything he says, there are pros and cons to both types of growing growing with soil and growing with out growing.

soil is more forgiving for the newer growers but some people say you dont get as much yield in soil as hydro, you dont have to pay more electric because you'd be watering by hand and you water every few days

hydro is generally more expensive due to the set up cost and it will use a lot more electric due to having pumps and stuff and it is generally less forgiving due to the fact that in soil the medium will act as a buffer to keep some water and nutes for later use where as hydro if you loose a pump and have hours to replace it before the plants will suffer


it all depends how much you really want to spend if its a personal grow i would go soil have a few grows in soil and learn how the plant reacts to different things learn the basics and then look at some other things like LST and SOG, Topping growing weed is all about what you put in you will get out you put crap in expect crap out you put time and effort in and you will be rewarded for your work