LoRd MeGaTR0N31
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so If I get Fox Farm Ocean Forest will I be able to skip feeding nutes? Since ffof has a lot of great stuff in it for the plants.
Buckets or ground?
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angryblackman
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Depending on your soil you can use nutes or just water. I know with the recipe that I will be using I shouldn't have to add anything but water until about 3 weeks into flower.
You don't have to go with FFOF but that would be a good start. Soil is something you just can't skimp on im my opinion. If you do you are just going to be chasing issues all season and spend more money on nutes.
Keep in mind you can do anything you want and this is just my opinion.
Don't take anything anyone says as gospel. Research what they are telling you and see if it's something you want to do.
LoRd MeGaTR0N31
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Ill just get the FFOF so I don't have to mix any thing. But how long you think I could get away without nutes in FFOFDepending on your soil you can use nutes or just water. I know with the recipe that I will be using I shouldn't have to add anything but water until about 3 weeks into flower.
Soil is something you just can't skimp on im my opinion. If you do you are just going to be chasing issues all season and spend more money on nutes.
Keep in mind you can do anything you want and this is just my opinion.
angryblackman
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Depends on what your strain needs. Some can gobble up nutes quickly in veg and others are slow eaters. I would make sure that you have food for them ready to go at any time but wait till they need it.
Hopefully someone that has more experience with FFOF can chime in on how long before you need to start dosing it.
Hopefully someone that has more experience with FFOF can chime in on how long before you need to start dosing it.
NoGutsGrower
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I had plenty of days, weeks over 100. My black 25 gallon smart pots did just fine with the heat! They got too small for the plants so I cut the pots off and buried them. Heat never messed with mine!
They all started in pots. some of them outgrew 100 gallon pots. Pot size just depends on how big you think you can grow the plant and how often you want to water and feed.
be ez
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The return off of nutes and good soil is massive compared to what you spend on it. If you want shitty bush weed plants just toss em in the ground...
doubletake
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What do you think grew the best monsters for you? Just going in the ground? I'm in a debat with myself between 50 gallon smart pots or dig a huge trance and fill it with roots organic soil. I'm thinking ground probley I'm trying to get like some 6 to 7 foot bushes almost like yours. Last year they were hitting 6 and 7 feet but I didn't top em and started them towards the end of July at like 2 feet.
doubletake
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Ooo yeah there was one that was in the ground it had the fattest buds, and most of the rest were in 20 gallon grow bags there were probley root bound because there buds we're like half as big as the ones that was in the ground.
dbdweller
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Hands down the ground is better, but like they said if you think you might even have to move them.. pots.bags.
For me since the mid 80's when out doors its in the ground.
Were each plant is going to be, i dig down 3-4 ft. I line the hole with wire, this keeps goffers from digging at the roots.
The bottom foot i mix some organic with chicken shit and the soil thats there. The remained i mix with perlite, organic soil and mix in the soil i took out.
Then i make a 1ft or so boarder with lumber to make a semi raised bed. This is organic fiil. Here i can add what nuts i want to at what ever time.. bat guano,
I have to say i have had some monsters grow there. I like to say but to most it would just be a fish story lol
Your plants are going to grow the tallest in the ground. Nothing there to hinder the roots from growing and searching for food.
One thing i tried and works for me.
I will let my little girls reach and stretch right off the bat... i only fill up my cups 1/2 way. As they grow and stretch i slowly add a little more soil to the top layer and she stretches more
then i add more.
By the time they are ready for the ground the whole stalk has turned into roots spreading. I believe this has helped a lot. To me its like one of those big babies waiting to grow.
Just one stoners way to grow. lol
For me since the mid 80's when out doors its in the ground.
Were each plant is going to be, i dig down 3-4 ft. I line the hole with wire, this keeps goffers from digging at the roots.
The bottom foot i mix some organic with chicken shit and the soil thats there. The remained i mix with perlite, organic soil and mix in the soil i took out.
Then i make a 1ft or so boarder with lumber to make a semi raised bed. This is organic fiil. Here i can add what nuts i want to at what ever time.. bat guano,
I have to say i have had some monsters grow there. I like to say but to most it would just be a fish story lol
Your plants are going to grow the tallest in the ground. Nothing there to hinder the roots from growing and searching for food.
One thing i tried and works for me.
I will let my little girls reach and stretch right off the bat... i only fill up my cups 1/2 way. As they grow and stretch i slowly add a little more soil to the top layer and she stretches more
then i add more.
By the time they are ready for the ground the whole stalk has turned into roots spreading. I believe this has helped a lot. To me its like one of those big babies waiting to grow.
Just one stoners way to grow. lol
doubletake
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Did ur niebors ever say anything about those monsters in your back yard a couple pics it looks like there windows are facing right at them ha
angryblackman
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Yeah they said quite a few things to him. LOL
doubletake
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Ha did I miss something I don't get it? Ha
Vindicated
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I hate digging. To much work and it's completely unnecessary. Instead try building a small raised garden bed for each plant. If you don't need the portability of buckets, raised beds is the way to go. A 3'x3' bed that's six inches tall is a good size to start with. It will take about six bags of soil to fill. I buy bags of Kellogg Patio Plus for $4 but any local organic mix will work. Just make sure it's compatible with beds or containers. A bed is simply four walls. Use bricks, rocks, lumber, mounds of dirt, etc., You can make it a square, circle, or whatever. If you think you can handle a big harvest, go nuts and get soil by the yard and build 200-300 gallon containers. By leaving the bottom open the roots can get as big as they want while the potting soil layer feeds all year. The following years add fertilizer to recharge your soil and even make it a little hotter than the previous year until you got your soil just the way you like it.
angryblackman
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Just put it this way. Because of those monsters last season the cops STILL visit his house to make sure he's "abiding by the laws".
angryblackman
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I love Kellogs Patio Plus. I have been using nothing but that as a base.
hotrodharley
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Raised bed cultivation allows people with even shitty subsoil to grow killer pot and veggies! And because the medium can be mixed or adjusted so easily and is so tillable the root systems can really riot. Additionally the raised beds core temp increases (and decreases too) very quickly in Spring and allows warmer weather crops to root even while the vegetation appears slow growing.
Ronald Dregan
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what do you mix in it?I love Kellogs Patio Plus. I have been using nothing but that as a base.
angryblackman
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I will be using DirrtyD's recipe.
- 1.5 CU Ft of Kellogg's patio plus
1 cup of fishbone meal brand Down to Earth
1/2 cup of Iron- Sulfur brand FST
1/2 cup of Kelp meal brand Down to Earth
1 cup of Alfalfa meal brand Down to Earth
1 cup of Greensand brand EB Stone
1 cup of Dolomite Lime brand EB Stone
1 cup of Oyster Shells brand Down to Earth
1 cup Seabird Guano brand Sun
1 cup of Humic Acids brand Down to Earth
1/4 cup of Azomite brand Down to Earth
1/2 cup of Crab meal brand Down to Earth
1/2 cup of Neem seed meal brand Down to Earth
10lbs of worm castings my worm farm
2 liters of perlite
1/2 cup of gypsum
Here is the thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/484982-dirrtyds-2012-organic-soil-mix.html
Vindicated
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I run Kellogg as is straight out of the bag. I don't add perlite, fertilizer, or anything else. At least not initially. I wait until I see the plants asking for nitrogen. Sometimes they never need to be fertilized other times they only need a small amount. It depends on how big your plants are at time of transplant. If they are to big then they could consume more nutrients then the soil is releasing. That's when a compost tea or a very light application of fertilizer would help. But if you time it right, the soil will break down at the same rate the plant grows and you shouldn't need to fertilize at all.
Hey all I have a similar question about 5 gallon pots. So I picked up a ten Blue Dream Clones a week ago and I transplanted them into 5 gal pots today and drilled about 20 holes around the base of the pot and buried them all in 2 foot holes with about 6 inches of loose 707 soil underneath. The natural dirt where I grow is pretty good for growing so I am not concerned with that. However my question is Does anyone think the plant will grow to its full potential? It is essentially like im using the 5 gal pot as a netpot for mother earth right? LOL the drill holes are almost a half inch so there is plenty of room to GROW...any thoughts would be appreciated.