My 1st Grow Completed! 8 plants, 5 months, 14 ounces dry!"
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Shwagbag
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This is a thread I followed on here with a nice comparison. Like I said though, there is no way to authenticate any of the accuracy of the threads we see here, but Wejuana seemed trustworthy and determined to share his experiment. I used the spectra 180s dialed down to 150 to reduce the 680-700 intensity. I couldn't get them to flower well, and I was told the issues were exclusive to the 180's, but I wasn't completely convinced that was true.Thanks for looking after us with this post bro. Good info.
And I know lts of ppl just slap shit together and call it this and that regarding the LEDs bcuz I started my light shopping on eBay.
It's crazy how many different LED lights are out there in the market. I've been advised to stay away from the ones in China, but that the Blackstar LEDs are descent. What do you know about them?
My thing is.....I've got 2-150w HPS and a 380w T5VHO....I have no idea how I could fit 2 600's in my space with all that, so it's looking like there's gonna be a trade off to get the 2-600's, or and addition of a 135w LED to what I have now.
And I wasn't even CLOSE to thinking about switching out the HPS of T5HO for the LED for flowering. I was just thinking in terms or adding one in just to get that 630nm color wave ya know?!
Decisions decisions! Def know that I'm gonna get a tent to make everything pertual and that I'm gonna use PandaPoly for my floors lol.
I have managed to get that far
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/474084-ultimate-led-test-glh-spectra.html
I peeped back at the start of your thread and I'm missing the size of the space you're using? I can't believe the amount of research you've done and you still say you're a newb lol. I dig how you do things, you've got a lot of successful grows to come
Sincerely420
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Appreciate ya brother!
And I'm just THAT interested in growing this plant lol. I wish I would have started growing while I lived in Holland pffff..Instead I spent over 2000euro on weed in like a year and 5 months abroad haha, and it was legally to grow up to 5 plants at the time(2010).
But I'm growing in a pretty BIG closet man. I could sleep 3 in it comfortbaly haha.
I'd say 10ftx5ftx10ft : LxWxH so like 500 cubic ft. And I'm only using the back bottom half of that
And I'm just THAT interested in growing this plant lol. I wish I would have started growing while I lived in Holland pffff..Instead I spent over 2000euro on weed in like a year and 5 months abroad haha, and it was legally to grow up to 5 plants at the time(2010).
But I'm growing in a pretty BIG closet man. I could sleep 3 in it comfortbaly haha.
I'd say 10ftx5ftx10ft : LxWxH so like 500 cubic ft. And I'm only using the back bottom half of that
Sincerely420
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In about a week and a half ill let you guys know wassup with this!
oompa8338
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well took your advice and did some reading about my problems. I have come to the conclusion that, like you said, it is a multiple of problems. I believe that between becoming root bound and the ph of my water being high my plants got nute lock. A few different nutrient deficiencies became apparent now that I go back through the books I have and compare my plants to pics of plants with deficiencies. It seems like everything became apparent at once and overheating, when I move from my cardboard box to my closet, was the kickoff. My corrective action has been to transplant them to 2-2.5 gal pots, I used MG soil with about 30% perlite after washing very well. This was Sunday. I have only lightly watered once since then since I am using ph test strips because that's all I can get right now, and I don't have any ph up or down. I have been debating whether to try a citrus juice to lower the ph it 7.8 right now. What do you think?? I will be ordering a GH ph kit, a 6" inline duct fan, and duct on Friday. twoof two ofthem becominpppstrips righ
giggles26
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Ok 420, you asked me for bondage updates so here you go.
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Sincerely420
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Can you source some peat? Top your pots of with it and give them a good watering. 7.8 is up there as far as PH goes buddy.
But good work in doing some digging man. The pH problems kinda come with the soil to be honest.
The better the soil, there closer to neutral(7) the pH will remain, so you gotta put a little extra into the soil bro. It will be the home of your plants ya know?
And maybe ass some citrus juice to water and go from there?? I don't have any experience w/ it but I'm pretty sure I've read it around.
The transplant was a good start. At least now you can manage the soil moisture a little better. Get the book Buds for Less. The guy grows in Miracle Gro.
Theres a thread for it somewhere on RIU. Check it out
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Stats??? Age. Status??
Krondizzel
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giggles26
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Vintage 06, 47 days, offically been on 12/12 for 4 days now. Just starting to see the white pistils come in.
Sincerely420
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Man...Is it just me, or do you guys plants grow EXPONENTIALLY within the hours/night after watering?!
It almost seems like I'm feeding them with the AACT in the same way that one would use bottled nutes, given the way they respond with EACH APPLICATION.
I know that's not what going on tho, so anyone reading this don't give me hell about it lol. But I swear it seems that way.
My top are all REALLY starting to stand up! And I'm packing on weight at the second node down nicely!
My Blue Widow is gone put out some FACKING FROST! It's covered already!
White Widow has the least frost of the three but I'm guessing that'll change with time.
And my Bubblicious will go no longer than 4 more weeks
My palms getting itchyyyy
It almost seems like I'm feeding them with the AACT in the same way that one would use bottled nutes, given the way they respond with EACH APPLICATION.
I know that's not what going on tho, so anyone reading this don't give me hell about it lol. But I swear it seems that way.
My top are all REALLY starting to stand up! And I'm packing on weight at the second node down nicely!
My Blue Widow is gone put out some FACKING FROST! It's covered already!
White Widow has the least frost of the three but I'm guessing that'll change with time.
And my Bubblicious will go no longer than 4 more weeks
My palms getting itchyyyy
Sincerely420
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Krondizzel
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420, if you get time, pm me, I have a few questions for you.
oompa8338
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Thanks 420 that was exactly what I have been searching for. My tax return hit the bank this morning so I will be ordering some supplies and epuipment as soon as I get off and get home. Ok here is what I will be ordering today any advice or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I am workin in a small closet that measure 2' deep, 3' wide, and 8' tall. I found a great deal on a C.A.P. 1kw switchable ballast, wing reflector, bulb and cord for like 120 bucks. Does anyone know abouut this brand cuz that is really cheap and I don't wanna buy. A piece of junk?? I will also be getting a 6 in fan, duct, ph kit and some FFOF and some amendments to give my girls a better home. Please let me know if I am oveerlooking any critical supplies or equipment?? 420 do have any literature on composting?? My popps can get all the horse manure I need and I wanna find a good way to incorporate it in my grow or if I even should I have no books on organic farming. Although I will be adding some to my collection this weekend. Thank y'all for all the great advice. Happy growing!!
Sincerely420
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No prob bro! And hmm..I think I see everything you need there. If your walls in the closet aren't flat white I'd get some panda poly.
And you have got to be able to cool that 1000w to us it! And in such a confined space, I'd work with one plant and give it an extended veg and train it lots to improve the yield.
That 1k without a cool tube could heat the grow room to 100 degrees plus in NO TIME. I killed my first plant with one so I'm speaking from experience! So make sure you can cool it of you buy it.
Maybe look on Amazon for a bag of exhale c02. It c02 in a bag that last for six months. Seems to be working well for me!
And the manure is cool, but has to be composted before use because it can burn. And rabbit manure seems to be a better choice if u ask me! That just me tho! I've using humus and EWCs for that purpose
And you have got to be able to cool that 1000w to us it! And in such a confined space, I'd work with one plant and give it an extended veg and train it lots to improve the yield.
That 1k without a cool tube could heat the grow room to 100 degrees plus in NO TIME. I killed my first plant with one so I'm speaking from experience! So make sure you can cool it of you buy it.
Maybe look on Amazon for a bag of exhale c02. It c02 in a bag that last for six months. Seems to be working well for me!
And the manure is cool, but has to be composted before use because it can burn. And rabbit manure seems to be a better choice if u ask me! That just me tho! I've using humus and EWCs for that purpose
Sincerely420
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The smell is growing by the day. It's def. noticeable now. It's more like a subtle funk at this point, but I def. smell the change happening
4 1/2wks into flowering and I don't have to use odor control yet. If I'm right, I should need it in another weeks as things. Are getting stickier by the day
4 1/2wks into flowering and I don't have to use odor control yet. If I'm right, I should need it in another weeks as things. Are getting stickier by the day
Shwagbag
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Sounds like a great candidate for a small partition for veg and a 1000HPS on a light mover! lolAppreciate ya brother!
And I'm just THAT interested in growing this plant lol. I wish I would have started growing while I lived in Holland pffff..Instead I spent over 2000euro on weed in like a year and 5 months abroad haha, and it was legally to grow up to 5 plants at the time(2010).
But I'm growing in a pretty BIG closet man. I could sleep 3 in it comfortbaly haha.
I'd say 10ftx5ftx10ft : LxWxH so like 500 cubic ft. And I'm only using the back bottom half of that
I hope you don't mind me chiming in, I had my share of PH issues when I first started gardening. Gypsum is a great addition to a garden because it doesn't contain nutes, but it does help the root zone to speed up the processing of organic materials for absorption. Basically, gypsum makes it so nutrients are made more readily available to the plants as they demand them. I think the concept they are trying to illustrate consists of two parts. First, the gypsum in soil also improves drainage, which makes a flush more effective. Second, the application of gypsum frees up unused organic sources of nitrogen, also making the soil more acidic. If I had alkali soil at 7.8, I would do ONE of these three things.
1. Let the soil dry completely, PH watering solution to 6.3-6.6 and top dress with compost or composted manure. Give a heavy watering with plenty of runoff after the dressing. By plenty I mean around 30% of the water you put in comes out the bottom of the pot. Filter runoff with a coffee filter and check the PH.
2. Apply sulfur, carefully. If it takes two or three waterings to reach your target, so be it. This is risky and you don't want to overdo it and go from too alkali to too acidic overnight. This is a touchy method, but also the most immediate method to make the soil more acidic. After sulfur is applied, filter runoff with a coffee filter and test the PH.
3. Flush - last resort - Take the volume of the container and multiply by three. Run this volume of PH adjusted watering solution through the plants. You could use gypsum here but i've never used it for a flush. Once flushed, feed at 50% strength appropriate to plant cycle and wait. The next time you water, filter your runoff with a coffee filter and test the PH.
I wouldn't be too concerned with 7.8 and I would opt for option one. The other methods would be appropriate if you were further out of range than you are currently. And if you're considering using citrus juice to lower your PH, it works great. I have a friend that opts for citrus juice over PH down and has had great success for a cpl of years. The trick is calculating how much you need for your amount of solution. Document the effectiveness to dial in your application levels. If you go too far, add a little baking soda. You could water with PH solution of about 6.3-6.6 until you get back into your desired range using method one.
Another note, MG soil is not recommended. Have you ever tested the PH of the MG soil? I'm curious what it is out of the bag. You did the right thing by cutting it with perlite! I would also cut it with some peat, coco or Foxfarm Light Warrior. This will help improve water retention, drainage, reduce the hotness of the MG soil and also lower the soil PH a tad. MG tends to get pretty hard, I learned the hard way that although its cheap and highly available from local vendors, that its just not worth the savings or the convenience without modifications.
Glad to hear your PH kit is on the way. Its probably the most essential tool for indoor gardening.
Lovely looking buds! What size of container is that in? I really like the spectrum of CMH bulbs. I ran a 400 CMH with a 600 HPS in a 4 x 4 and the results were good. The CMH doesn't stack up in lumens compared to HPS, but the more ideal spectrum seems to compensate for the compromise. The heat output is fractional compared to HPS, which I really liked in the summer. I didn't care for the beastly 400 magnetic ballast though. Do they have CMH that runs on digital yet?35days Flower from Scottys 1 plant..400cmh bulb.
oompa8338
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Thanks for that knowledge drop there schwag. I will check the MG soil I still got in the bag and let u know what the ph is out the store. Pertaining to the 1kw hlight I plan on getting I was gunna run it at 400w to 600w cuz I know the temp will get will get really high tryin to run a 1k without extreme ventilation and since I gotta keep this super stealth bcuz of where I live and bein in an apt so no holes in walls or ceiling or nothin only a cracked window.
Sincerely420
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A nice read I found contrast organics and non.
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A timeline I found breaking down the flowering period
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