Avoiding the PH game, noob

[shaun2000]

wow, i come to check my thread and i got 9 blown out pages of stoners argueing abouit shit that in no way, shape or form is related to the OP.... i hope theres something useful in those 9 pages. gonna go read...

just so you all know

600w HPS,
1.2 x 1.4 x 1.6 metres
50L res with 35L, 1 plant.
PH is about 5.X, closer to 6.
EC is 1.0-1.2

i got a tiny its bitsy, not even 1mm yellow lookin hole in one of the leaves, its microscopiclly small. could this be because my PH was too low?

Got any pics? It could Be A Heat burn hole. Or a Hole a bug has chewed and then inturn been burnt by the heat

 

[Krondizzel]

5.5-6.1 bmeat. get your facts straight. You're seriously starting to piss me off with your bad advice.

 

[T.Huxley]

Well, you typed it..I wasn't aware you talk like that as well..And I think it's safe to say if you talk/type like that, and you live in alaska, it is safe to say that you are at least at the end of the day a douchebag, and need to stop listening to Gucci Mane. Everyone wants to be a thug when it's safe to do so, don't feel too bad.

 

[Silicity]

Leds lumen loss is nothing compared to hid lights overtime, I never saw over 2% loss in over a 7 month period compared to a single hps 600w bulb suffering above 8% loss in just 5 months. On off and of course but hid loses intensity quick compared to other lights.

 

[Silicity]

Well, you typed it..I wasn't aware you talk like that as well..And I think it's safe to say if you talk/type like that, and you live in alaska, it is safe to say that you are at least at the end of the day a douchebag, and need to stop listening to Gucci Mane. Everyone wants to be a thug when it's safe to do so, don't feel too bad.

I love internet psychologists, please continue on as you have been spot on with everything so far....

 

[Ninjabowler]

WOW dude, 5 idiotic posts thats dont help me and you sum it perfectly,

seriously i know ive only had a plant for 48 hours and im tripping balls about everything, but telling me to ph up then down then up then down is retarded, I dont trust myself to up the PH by 1 when ive only got droppers to check it with. Yes in know, ive ordered my digital test gear from online and its on the way. I knew the PH would rebound back up, and my question, if anyone bothered to read it exept for 3 people (repped all 3 of youZ) was can i just leave my PH around 5 and let it bounce back up or is it critical i up it slightly. This morning i pumped 2L out of my 35L tank and dropped in PH 7 (my tap water tests around 7).

Seriously i know i only have 0 posts and im very inexperienced, but even i know its best not to ph up down up down up down, I was told to let it cycle from 5 - 6. Like use ph down to PH 5, then let nature bounce it back up to 6. rinse and repeat.

plant is not even 48 hours old and i have 3 x 2inch roots dropping down from the mesh netting cup already.

I have noticed what looks like a tiny dark discolouration on some of the existing stem, right where it joins the fan leaves, its just a bit dark, maybe red or purple, could just be the strain...

what would this generally signify?

Slow down toyota, these people are trying to help you. You should never have to use ph up if your tap water is ph seven. Food for thought. And there is no reason that your roots should be that color yet. Maybe theres another issue to be concerned about.

 

[shaun2000]

I understand all of that. I love the idea of LED, and do want it to be all it's cracked up to be, but the fact remains that it's still quite expensive for quality equipment. You pretty much have to use the gear for a few years or more to justify the expense. I guess in a small space, in some heat situations, it could be right for that situation. I'm just worried that I'll buy a light, and in 2 years it will be way outdated, like cell phones.

I'm about to try ceramic metal halide in one light starting next week, so I'm all for trying new tech. I would like to get a quality LED in the next year or so, but do have some concerns.

Also, the lumen maintenance may be a real issue. If I have a 50% lumen loss in a few years with the same power draw, that sucks. Don't know if it's real or not, but how can we know? Who has had the same led for three years and done par measurements all along the way?

Yeah i really dont like the prices, But i belive that its because all these companys are spending money on R and d and trying to get some cash back.

From What ive read and what i understand with electronics Lumen and par(Since we are mainly focusing on that rather then lumens) Degrade after a time, thats how it goes. All Electronic and even mechanical devices will suffer some sort of degrading .

 

[PJ Diaz]

Leds lumen loss is nothing compared to hid lights overtime, I never saw over 2% loss in over a 7 month period compared to a single hps 600w bulb suffering above 8% loss in just 5 months. On off and of course but hid loses intensity quick compared to other lights.

Right, but that's kind of the point. Much of the justification for the price of led lights is that they last 50,000 hours. We replace our HID lights every 5000 hours or so, so the equipment costs add up over time. However if we have a 15% lumen loss in the leds over the course of 5 years for something that's supposed to last 10 years, then IMO it really only lasts 5 years.

Take this with a grain of salt because it's from a induction manufacture's web site:

 

[Silicity]

Shaun, what are you trying to understand? I have done numerous experiments with multiple lights, compared to most growers lights are where I started first.

 

[Krondizzel]

I'm surely not talking to you. ..And I hope you don't honestly listen to Gucci Mane...Stay out of your kitchen..? lol, is that a crack reference? Jesus Christ..

I wish I had a magic wand that could give people lupus.

43 posts. Get back to me when you have more rep around here.

 

[shaun2000]

Shaun, what are you trying to understand? I have done numerous experiments with multiple lights, compared to most growers lights are where I started first.

like Everything i do i like to know Everything about it. Untill i brought a cheap 40w LEd id never heard of PAr..

Also I Think some people are forgetting one major thing here.

LEDS Are super cheap to run and Barly output any heat. Thats Why i want them, apposed to an expensive Startup draw plus High Heat From HIDS/MH


Ps thanks for that link, I Just Like Reading the same Articles From Differnt points of view, and they doing my own Tests.

 

[Krondizzel]

Slow down toyota, these people are trying to help you. You should never have to use ph up if your tap water is ph seven. Food for thought. And there is no reason that your roots should be that color yet. Maybe theres another issue to be concerned about.

Psh.. I'm not here to hold everyone's hands. I help those who deserve it.

 

[T.Huxley]

43 posts. Get back to me when you have more rep around here.

Speaking on internet psychology, I'm not even going to start on the big bad stud who "got laid more times then I have teetth", but his avatar has been women every time?...Hmm.. Foreal, tell me more of your sexual escapades.

 

[Krondizzel]

Alright, if you have access to ph up I recommend even just a small bottle, if you dont what you should do is drain some water out and add water with a ph of like 7/most tap water is suitable, and aim for atleast close to 5.7-5.8 as possible, dont let them sit in that low ph water for any time if possible, it is a weed plant but it is sensitive when in a harsher enviroment. Go to your local grocery store, im more than sure that theres a cheap ass product to raise your ph, most people just think theres only chems and what the guy at the hydro store says, I cant think of f the top of my head onwhat naturally raises you ph, I believe baking soda can be used and should only be used inan emergency, it is a salt and plants dont like salts in excess so you should use some of this and then get ph up asap or just get your watering correct, ph up though!!!!! Get the shit you wont regret it!!

Just use water for PH UP. Tap water is usually 7+ and will raise your PH just fine.

 

[PJ Diaz]

like Everything i do i like to know Everything about it. Untill i brought a cheap 40w LEd id never heard of PAr..

Also I Think some people are forgetting one major thing here.

LEDS Are super cheap to run and Barly output any heat. Thats Why i want them, apposed to an expensive Startup draw plus High Heat From HIDS/MH


Ps thanks for that link, I Just Like Reading the same Articles From Differnt points of view, and they doing my own Tests.

Oh, I remembered the other reason I'm not sold on leds is that they put out very specific light frequencies, which while they are indeed the optimal frequencies for plant absorption, I worry that there are other lesser important parts of the spectrum missing. I think a mix of led and hid is prolly best.

 

[shaun2000]

Just use water for PH UP. Tap water is usually 7+ and will raise your PH just fine.

O.O... Slaps Head. Wish id thought of that. The amount of times Ive Tipped out all my res/nutes and started again cause id Gone To low. lolz

This is why i love these types of forums, People thinking Of simple things and thinking out side of the box

 

[Krondizzel]

O.O... Slaps Head. Wish id thought of that. The amount of times Ive Tipped out all my res/nutes and started again cause id Gone To low. lolz

This is why i love these types of forums, People thinking Of simple things and thinking out side of the box

Yeah dude, the only thing u really need is PH down. Water brings it up just fine.

 

[Silicity]

like Everything i do i like to know Everything about it. Untill i brought a cheap 40w LEd id never heard of PAr..

Also I Think some people are forgetting one major thing here.

LEDS Are super cheap to run and Barly output any heat. Thats Why i want them, apposed to an expensive Startup draw plus High Heat From HIDS/MH


Ps thanks for that link, I Just Like Reading the same Articles From Differnt points of view, and they doing my own Tests.

I cant just post Info regarding to this, the amount of Information is way to large and i didnt gather all I know in a single posting. Par is photosynthetically active radiation, light is broken up into different spectrums and the plant absorbs specific par light, the plant Is able to recognize which wavelengths it recieves and photosynthesis occurs depending on the specific nm/par of a light. Cannabis prefers blue and red like many flowers. Go read the thread I posted and itll give you some valuable info.

 

[shaun2000]

Oh, I remembered the other reason I'm not sold on leds is that they put out very specific light frequencies, which while they are indeed the optimal frequencies for plant absorption, I worry that there are other lesser important parts of the spectrum missing. I think a mix of led and hid is prolly best.

Your Quite Right, But Thats why most LED companys use multiblending With Sometimes up 2 6 frequencies Ranging from the standard ones with help photosynthesis type a and b and many other things. But The reason why i like LEDS THe most besides heat would be the focus of removing the unneeded light bands

 

[shaun2000]

I cant just post Info regarding to this, the amount of Information is way to large and i didnt gather all I know in a single posting. Par is photosynthetically active radiation, light is broken up into different spectrums and the plant absorbs specific par light, the plant Is able to recognize which wavelengths it recieves and photosynthesis occurs depending on the specific nm/par of a light. Cannabis prefers blue and red like many flowers. Go read the thread I posted and itll give you some valuable info.

Yeah thanks mate, i do know a little (Ive spent the last week reading nothing bar) but im like a 3 year old, I absorb information, oh and i get cranky alot lolz.