dispensaries no longer legal. fuck.

[buckaroo bonzai]

the black market is gonna EXPLODE!

there is 4-1 pts -CGs in Michigan....demand far outweighs supply...

wonder where a lot of these pts are gonna have to get their meds now??
cgs are now a premium....I would say make sure all your pts are CGs for 5pts....all of them

and i would change my stance and not frequent places where open sales are permitted....FM...CC...dispensaries...
too bad I 'was' going to hit up mocc this weekend.....
---they have my picture enuf from the few I visited...and I was doing no wrong except visiting as a pt

this is a green lite for the narco-terrorist squadz in each co to rob terrorize and forfeit folks hard earned resources!

its no biggie tho.....some folks have always pretended it's illegal and are still safe...
back to the shadows folks---

Watch what happens this summer with all the folks that think it's legal to 'sell' mmj--
ur gonna see a lot of ignorant people get caught up in this....best to be aware awake and concious of the whole picture....

keep your shields up....and your heads down!


EDIT: ahh hell you can still go on CL if you have big balls--

 

[Cory and trevor]

I called a few dispensaries around town just now and informed them of the decision-most said Didn't know about that but we aren't fucing closing until they close the doors for us. Most seem to think that leo won't enforce it-at least around here. I get the feeling without anyone saying it that the places in Jackson concentrated in blackman twshp have talked to the local LEO before they set up and that there is a sort of agreement going on that you don't fuck up and we won't fuck with you. it's just the feeling I get and growing up here knowing how shit works in this GIANT small town. I think it'll have to be state cops acting on orders from someone pretty high up to shut the doors in jackson. Now is the time to show your support. I have always said that the dispensaries take a huge risk for us, the patients, and should be comended for being open. I know everyone hates the percieved price gouging but truth is they make around 10% to cover employee paychecks and overhead and they can get a huge dick should the state decide to fuck them. I want to live in a world with farm markets AND dispensaries so I support them both. I don't talk negative about the prices at either places and the quality of meds offered. Let's get behind them now that we all feel like we could lose them. I have overages monthly but I buy from the dispens and the market just to be a part of it. RESPECT to all the owners standing up to the bullshit-stay open PLEASE. We need them. gripes aside, we need them.

 

[TheMan13]

What is the chance that a jury of our peers will find patients and/or caregivers guilty of "Public Nuisance" beyond a reasonable doubt?!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance

I'm thinking that we'll need to support whom ever keeps their doors open at this point. Allow these politicians to drag a few of us through the courts and let the public hear our defenses!

BTW Has there ever been an attempt to bring any of this legislation, enforcement or politicians in general up on "Public Nuisance" charges?!?

 

[Corso312]

What a dumb decision ...all the revenue these dispensaries bring in to state ..now the state gets zero ...dumb dumb dumb.

 

[Cory and trevor]

I wonder the class and penalty for the that charge. it sounds as harmless as a noise violation or parking ticket....

 

[TheMan13]

I wonder the class and penalty for the that charge. it sounds as harmless as a noise violation or parking ticket....

Public Nuisance is a local ordinance exactly like a noise violation and is delta with on a local, not state level.

 

[Cory and trevor]

so....all this shit and the court ruling OK'ed sales and made a dispensary a noise violation? When you boil it down....nah I'm still super-pist fuck that LOL! but the stakes seem quite low unless your the owner that is putting $ into making your place look great and a local asshole in a blue shirt wants to fuck your day up and make you move out.

 

[TheMan13]

What a dumb decision ...all the revenue these dispensaries bring in to state ..now the state gets zero ...dumb dumb dumb.

Just think of it as a "jobs bill" compliments of the court system for our struggling legal professionals out there. A liberal version of "trickle down economics" I guess

 

[mushead]

when ive held the door open for known police officers going into a dispensary, im not to worried yet. i personally know 3 cops that have there cards and rage on this topic just as hard, if not harder than us. if there bosses found out they'ed be done for. not talkin rookies either, and with respect to them i wont say what counties. just thought that was important, are fight isnt with most police, its with these asswhole reps that wanna fuck us over. there should be a new thread with all the shitty reps and there emails so we can all complain in mass. same with the good ones, they need to hear we appreciate them too.

 

[TheMan13]

so....all this shit and the court ruling OK'ed sales and made a dispensary a noise violation? When you boil it down....nah I'm still super-pist fuck that LOL! but the stakes seem quite low unless your the owner that is putting $ into making your place look great and a local asshole in a blue shirt wants to fuck your day up and make you move out.

I think the games these SC justices foresee will take place in the civil courts post "Public Nuisance" violations.

 

[gladstoned]

http://www.freep.com/article/20130208/NEWS15/130208035/Michigan-court-Medical-pot-dispensaries-not-allowed?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

 

[Cory and trevor]

well now that I have the perspective of what is at stake here (noise violation for good golly goddamnit) I can more easily see officers NOT raiding a joint. now a sale or manufacture of narcs or drug dealing (which sales seems to be OK'd in this same ruling taking that shit off the table for the prosecutors) would be attractive to prosecutors and LEO because they get proceeds cash and the like to keeep as a parting gift esentially but I don't think they can take your car for having loud music......just me thinking here.

 

[ThatGuy113]

From what Im getting and then referring back to the laws actual language, it wont be a simple local violation. Instead the nuisance violation negates you legal protections under the mmj law because your stepping outside of how they interpret the rules and enforcement segment of the law.


So the next step is getting the Republican led legislature to amend the law and dictate what kind of businesses are ok. Wont hold my breath.

 

[TheMan13]

From what Im getting and then referring back to the laws actual language, it wont be a simple local violation. Instead the nuisance violation negates you legal protections under the mmj law because your stepping outside of how they interpret the rules and enforcement segment of the law.


So the next step is getting the Republican led legislature to amend the law and dictate what kind of businesses are ok. Wont hold my breath.

This decision in no way negates an MMJ patient or caregivers right to an affirmative defense under our criminal law. How exactly did you read that into this SC decision?

 

[buckaroo bonzai]

just pretend it's illegal like we used to do......you should be allright if you take that approach

did a lot of folks actually think it was 'legal' to sell mmj?? just becuz we got a semblance of a law?
never say the word 'sell' and 'pot' in the same sentence........old hippie proverb-

if you have to 'look' for pts to get $$ for your erb.......it's probably not all that anyway--

now don't hate me for saying that but....there are plenty of good folks 'looking' for AAA medicine....
and now there will be even more-

start a'private club.....or 420 social club if you need to meet more folks....hell start a CG 'club'....that should be legal.....oh wait they allready have those.....'compassion' clubs....lol

i personally am nervous around strangers and mmj here in mich--especially when there's $$ involved

dont take my comments as 'smarmy' ......jm2cts

 

[Cory and trevor]

This decision in no way negates an MMJ patient or caregivers right to an affirmative defense under our criminal law. How exactly did you read that into this SC decision?

Got to agree, there are very limited crimes and convictions that negate a defense. I'm going from memory, not looking it up again right now but they state that in the act I believe.

 

[ThatGuy113]

This decision in no way negates an MMJ patient or caregivers right to an affirmative defense under our criminal law. How exactly did you read that into this SC decision?

After reading through the court decision I interpreted it as the actual sale itself (p2p or dispensaries etc anything outside of your state registered patients) being the public nuisance. Not the public nuisance being a separate charge.


to clarify a little further the term public nuisance refers to the violation of the mmj law things like holding more then what was needed for a caregiver and his/her patients, how transfer is interpreted and so on.

 

[Cory and trevor]

just pretend it's illegal like we used to do......you should be allright if you take that approach

did a lot of folks actually think it was 'legal' to sell mmj?? just becuz we got a semblance of a law?
never say the word 'sell' and 'pot' in the same sentence........old hippie proverb-

if you have to 'look' for pts to get $$ for your erb.......it's probably not all that anyway--

now don't hate me for saying that but....there are plenty of good folks 'looking' for AAA medicine--
panda now there will be even more-

start a'private club.....or 420 social club if you need to meet more folks

i personally am nervous around strangers and mmj here in mich--especially when there's $$ involved

dont take my comments as 'smarmy' ......jm2cts

Love it! Charge enough to cover a thorough background check on all members and go from there. birds of a feather doing...none of your bidness in our club! LOL

 

[bowlfullofbliss]

I think this will come down to an additional tool that the local town/cities/townships etc will use to close the books on the moratoriums (sp?) they put in place to keep the shops from opening, and also for the towns/cities/townships to close the doors on the ones that were grandfathered in before everyone put in place the freeze on new shops. I highly doubt that places like Ann Arbor and Ypsi will force them to close after they went through the work of licensing and all the legal framework.

I do wonder if the whole craigs list and bud trader thing will go away...I sure the heck wouldn't want to be advertising after this ruling.

 

[TheMan13]

After reading through the court decision I interpreted it as the actual sale itself (p2p or dispensaries etc anything outside of your state registered patients) being the public nuisance. Not the public nuisance being a separate charge.

Correct. The MI SC found that a local municipality lawfully shuttered a MMJ facility simply under the guise of "Public Nuisance". In turn we will now see many other local municipalities with this same motive do the same. But not all will or would even consider doing such a thing to their citizenry.