Experienced Electrician! Here to Answer Any and All Growroom Electrical Questions

wheels619

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lol... yeah, I figured I got lucky and wouldn't be so lucky at this next place, so I came here so I'd know what to do when things didn't go so smoothly... And you're helping me out plenty. But I gotta admit, I'm confused about how I'd be able to use breakers that are dedicated to a light controller... I thought that as soon as I hook up the 6 gauge cable to the controller it would mean that all I could use the breaker for, is the controller itself, and whatever I plug into it... I'm sure I'm off base, but I don't understand where I'd be able to plug in any other appliances, as far as the breaker is concerned... but thanks all the same man, I'm pretty sure I'm about a post away from annoying you with what are probably obvious questions, so I'll bow out after you respond... thanks
also i think u r confusing the breaker with the breaker panel. the panel houses the actual breakers it can have multiple breakers inside of one panel. depending on how big the pannel if you can wire in 20000 watts into a breaker panel if you had the time money equipment and a big enough panel.
 

rarebreed619

Active Member
Hello brick was reading through the many pages on the thread about electricity help. I have a house with a 100 amp panel in it and i believe its maxed out.... is there anyway to run off the panel to a subpanel. and what would i need to run off the main. already have the sub panel. i can send u pics of the main panel on the house and the sub panel. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Im running 2 1k digis and a titan flo n gro. also a 1/4th hp water chiller and some inline fans and heater. im getting by running them off extention cords but have blown a fuse in the living room that i have the heater plugged into.

please get back to me peace
 

wheels619

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Hello brick was reading through the many pages on the thread about electricity help. I have a house with a 100 amp panel in it and i believe its maxed out.... is there anyway to run off the panel to a subpanel. and what would i need to run off the main. already have the sub panel. i can send u pics of the main panel on the house and the sub panel. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Im running 2 1k digis and a titan flo n gro. also a 1/4th hp water chiller and some inline fans and heater. im getting by running them off extention cords but have blown a fuse in the living room that i have the heater plugged into.

please get back to me peace
if its maxed out your gonna have to get an electrician and your power company involved to get a nice boost of juice. is the 100 amp breaker really maxed out or is it just blowing the breaker for that room?
 

Figong

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so your saying if a guy has 10/2 romex and those colors you listed arent in the cable he shouldnt wire it up becuz it only gives you a black a white and a bare? or should he label the 2 insulated cables hots and use the bare as the common like any electrician i know would do? -snip-
And this here is why I'm pretty certain you're not safe to give advice.. you didn't read a word of what I said, let me re-post it for you.

-snip- White is always neutral.. -unless- it's marked with red or black tape. If it is marked as such.. it's part of a 2-conductor cable and is being used as the 2nd hot in a 240 outlet or appliance setup.
I'd recommend he wire to NEC code, and not take electrical advice from the forums - if you want my honest answer. My posts were merely to stop a fire. All I have to say on that. Wire it up how you want, just don't bitch or scream when there's a house fire - I'm going on record that violating code is not only reckless, but also one of the more retarded recommendations I've seen in the forums to this point.
 
Hey guys, great thread! I read as much as I could in the last 4 hours or so. I want to run a sub panel for my grow. Is it safe to run the sub panel off a 30amp dryer outlet or should I run it off a breaker in the main panel? I was thinking of running a 25ft dryer cord which is a 3 prong style(30 amp) but read that sub panels should run on 4 wire. How would I wire the 3 cable to the sub panel if it's possible? Thanks for the help!
 

wheels619

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And this here is why I'm pretty certain you're not safe to give advice.. you didn't read a word of what I said, let me re-post it for you.

sorry for assuming the guy was smart enough to label the cables. once labeled why does it matter what colors they are if he is renting and will probably have to pull the wiring anyways when he moves. what if you dont have the colors needed like you say and you safely label the cables and hook them up properly even with the wrong colors it will still run as long as you havent mixed up the hots commons and shit like that. not everything is built to electrical code in case you havent notice. gauge and ratings yes. colors not always. many a house ive lived in werent up to electrical code with the wiring colors but the gauges and voltage, insulation and weather ratings were correct for the year the house was constructed and this is included in houses less than 5 years of age. and sorry i was high i didnt see the tape marking part.

so on a run of 10/2 romex which cable should i make the common?

also another point being he already has an electrician doing most of the work. i already told him to get an electrician to help him keep from burning his house down becuz i also said that i wasnt an electrician just that i had a bit more electrical knowledge than most not becuz im an electrician but more or less becuz i found the topic of electricity interesting as hell and have been doing my own homework since. so who wasnt reading what again? if the guy has a good qualified eye overlooking his work then whats the problem?

also i get that you have a lot more electrical experience than i do but you arent in here helping dude out. your just tossing shit out there to shoot down what i say instead of actually giving decent advice. would you rather it be me who has at least some electrical knowledge or some guy that has absolutely none telling him to cut the ends off of an extension cord and just wire it up? which ive also seen in one of these forums.

may i ask your age? im not trying to be a dick im just curious.
 

wheels619

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Hey guys, great thread! I read as much as I could in the last 4 hours or so. I want to run a sub panel for my grow. Is it safe to run the sub panel off a 30amp dryer outlet or should I run it off a breaker in the main panel? I was thinking of running a 25ft dryer cord which is a 3 prong style(30 amp) but read that sub panels should run on 4 wire. How would I wire the 3 cable to the sub panel if it's possible? Thanks for the help!
buy a 30 amp dryer male plug end. looks like this. ten bucks at home depot. can very by outlet.
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buy 50 ft of 10/3 romex or something similar 10/2 will work if its indoors and your on a budget.

buy lighting controller. looks like this. run you anywhere from 100-200 bucks on ebay depending on what brand and model you want.
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wire everything up. should look like this. the left being hot. the middle being common. the right also being hot.
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then wire the plug.
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plug the ballasts into the controller.

plug the timer into the wall and the lighting controller. set it.

plug the 30 amp into the wall. flip the switch and watch your lights turn on in excitement. if everything worked out it should pop to life instantly. also make sure your timer is on. nothing like expecting success and then have to figure out why shit aint right. lmao.

its enough to power 4 1000 watt lights on 240 volts of juice safely.
 

Figong

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-snip-
also i get that you have a lot more electrical experience than i do but you arent in here helping dude out. your just tossing shit out there to shoot down what i say instead of actually giving decent advice. would you rather it be me who has at least some electrical knowledge or some guy that has absolutely none telling him to cut the ends off of an extension cord and just wire it up? which ive also seen in one of these forums.

may i ask your age? im not trying to be a dick im just curious.
Would definitely rather it be you than some guy saying to modify extension cords, that's most certain - I'm in my 30s, and would like to formally apologize for my word choices. I do see that in more than a few ways it appeared I was trying to be inflammatory - wasn't the case, was just trying to keep sane after seeing the 'pick a few colors'.. which for some who read this who may not understand, may actually just pick a few.. and we know what would happen then... potential disaster.
 

rarebreed619

Active Member
if its maxed out your gonna have to get an electrician and your power company involved to get a nice boost of juice. is the 100 amp breaker really maxed out or is it just blowing the breaker for that room?
i believe its maxed out cause there are no more spaces to put any breakers. Yeah i was thinking i would have to upgrade to a 200 amp service but its expensive i have a 30 amp 240v circuit hooked up to an electric dryer, im thinking i could just get a gas one and run the wire off the 30 amp back into my room. what cable would i need to run off the 30 amp? do i run it from the main panel? And all my out lets are the standard plug not 240, how would i run the 30 amp back there and hook everything up to it. or just replace the breaker to 2 20 amps and run that back there. I can post pics if you would like......
 

wheels619

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Would definitely rather it be you than some guy saying to modify extension cords, that's most certain - I'm in my 30s, and would like to formally apologize for my word choices. I do see that in more than a few ways it appeared I was trying to be inflammatory - wasn't the case, was just trying to keep sane after seeing the 'pick a few colors'.. which for some who read this who may not understand, may actually just pick a few.. and we know what would happen then... potential disaster.
this i agree. no worries at all. yeah i should have been a little more concerned in all honesty it is in fact electricity. i never considered some random bloke reading thru and actually picking random wires like an idiot and not reading thru the rest of the thread. "tonight at ten. man burns down whole neighborhood attempting to connect marijuana grow lights. stay tuned" lmao. but i do understand where your coming from and i appologize for any rashness from my end.
 

wheels619

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i believe its maxed out cause there are no more spaces to put any breakers. Yeah i was thinking i would have to upgrade to a 200 amp service but its expensive i have a 30 amp 240v circuit hooked up to an electric dryer, im thinking i could just get a gas one and run the wire off the 30 amp back into my room. what cable would i need to run off the 30 amp? do i run it from the main panel? And all my out lets are the standard plug not 240, how would i run the 30 amp back there and hook everything up to it. or just replace the breaker to 2 20 amps and run that back there. I can post pics if you would like......
actually thats what i did to save myself a whole lot of hassle. i got a gas dryer becuz my old elec one died. then i had a free 30 amp 240 outlet. lol. needless to say i have a shit ton more lights now gonna up it to about 6000 watts. but im gonna run another 30 amp in for that so i can control my veg and flower separately with other controllers.

also it costs a lot less to use the existing outlet if you can. plus gas is more efficient and cheaper to use. i explained the steps a few posts back with pics. its hard to miss. total cost is about 250 bucks and most of the cost was wiring and the controller. controller is about 100-200 on ebay and about another 50-100 on wiring. cost depends on quality and type.

10 gauge minimum wiring like a 10/2 or 10/3 romex and a 10 dollar dryer cable attachment. the more money you spend on cable the more pliable it will be. romex is kinda cheap and not really movable friendly compaired to others. but it saves you about 50 bucks cash.
 

rarebreed619

Active Member
actually thats what i did to save myself a whole lot of hassle. i got a gas dryer becuz my old elec one died. then i had a free 30 amp 240 outlet. lol. needless to say i have a shit ton more lights now gonna up it to about 6000 watts. but im gonna run another 30 amp in for that so i can control my veg and flower separately with other controllers.

also it costs a lot less to use the existing outlet if you can. plus gas is more efficient and cheaper to use. i explained the steps a few posts back with pics. its hard to miss. total cost is about 250 bucks and most of the cost was wiring and the controller. controller is about 100-200 on ebay and about another 50-100 on wiring. cost depends on quality and type.

10 gauge minimum wiring like a 10/2 or 10/3 romex and a 10 dollar dryer cable attachment. the more money you spend on cable the more pliable it will be. romex is kinda cheap and not really movable friendly compaired to others. but it saves you about 50 bucks cash.
Well i dont have any 240 plugs for the ballasts couldn't i split it 2 -15 amp circuits? and run the 2 digis on the 15 amp and the other stuff on the other 15amp? trying to eliminate all use of extension cords and the 30 amp is my last shot.
 

wheels619

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Well i dont have any 240 plugs for the ballasts couldn't i split it 2 -15 amp circuits? and run the 2 digis on the 15 amp and the other stuff on the other 15amp? trying to eliminate all use of extension cords and the 30 amp is my last shot.
depends on the wattage of the ballasts. and if you have a dryer outlet its already pushing 30 amps at 240. i highly doubt you would have like a 60 amp 120 dryer outlet. but dryer outlets aside.



120v 240v
1000 watt ballast 9amps 4.5amps
600 watt ballast 5amps 2.5amps
400 watt ballast 3.5amps 1.75amps

look at the chart make sure ur not over your amperage load. remember safe load is only 80% of the breaker capacity. so a 15 amp breaker is only safe running 12 amps also a thing to remember is you may actually have 4 outlets on one breaker depending on how old your house is and you may not be able to support the lights on the wall outlets and you will have extension cords ran everywhere. unless ur pulling fresh cable for the runs. in that case you should just research lighting controllers and bring 240 into the room instead of 120. check the specs like i did. i looked and compaired 13 dif lighting controllers before even deciding where to go and even considered making my own...

oh also the 240 ballast cords are about 10 bucks each online and in all honesty the 120 volt cords are rated to handle the amps and voltage of 240. you just need a lighting controller with universal plugs. the titan helios 4-4 is a 30 amp 240 lighting controller that has a universal plug for plugging in reg cords that should handle the small 6 foot power run of 240 at 4.5 amps max with a 1000. the only thing really different is the plug design on the other end that plugs into most lighting controllers. the thicker cables are normally used for people that put the ballasts farther away from everything due to heat and power loss thru the long runs. got a budy running ballasts from about 40 ft away. but if you have digital ballasts you shouldnt have to worry with a 6 ft run about much heat. just look at the power cables stamping. it has gauge and voltage ratings on them already. just look closely. type it into google and it should give a rating for everything and explain shit. i chose this specific lighting controller for the outlets being universal. so i wouldnt have to buy another 40+ bucks on cables.

in all honesty 1000+ options exist once you start opening this door. the only problem is you wont know which to choose until you read and do homework yourself to understand how the setup actually works and hooks up and whats needed. google a 30 amp 240 lighting controller diagram and see what pops up. :)
 

wheels619

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in all honesty if your in san diego lets get together at a park or somewhere public and smoke a doobie and eat lunch and chat. its always nice to get high and talk shop. lmao. j/k. a lot of creepers out there. id end up raped by a black midget in a fairy outfit in a dumpster or something. lol. us crippled guys cant get away very easily. haha
 

Malevolence

New Member
again ridiculousness. lol. my older power supply was actually pulling 400 watts. lmao. i only know this becuz of the load the breaker had tripped at. point being a desktop computer is capable of pulling a a lot more wattage than you think.
Facts are ridiculousness? Google 80 Plus.

Your PSU draws way less electricity than HID lighting unless your cpu/gpu are pegged rendering Avatar for 3 months or some shit.
 

wheels619

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Facts are ridiculousness? Google 80 Plus.

Your PSU draws way less electricity than HID lighting unless your cpu/gpu are pegged rendering Avatar for 3 months or some shit.
mmm. my comp pegs out downloading and running music and graphic rendering software. oh also my autocad takes a toll on everything. points being if he has a 1000 watt and a few box fans and an inline fan and a tv from the other room going on one 15 amp 120v circuit its not going to support his computer also. once he does anything interesting on it its gonna kill the breaker. jesus take shit literally much? and no the power they are capable of drawing when pushed is ridiculousness. facts are not. i believe if you can prove something you rule the argument. im also too high and tired to read the 80 plus thing all the way but wiki gave me the just i believe.
 
buy a 30 amp dryer male plug end. looks like this. ten bucks at home depot. can very by outlet.
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buy 50 ft of 10/3 romex or something similar 10/2 will work if its indoors and your on a budget.

buy lighting controller. looks like this. run you anywhere from 100-200 bucks on ebay depending on what brand and model you want.
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wire everything up. should look like this. the left being hot. the middle being common. the right also being hot.
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then wire the plug.
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plug the ballasts into the controller.

plug the timer into the wall and the lighting controller. set it.

plug the 30 amp into the wall. flip the switch and watch your lights turn on in excitement. if everything worked out it should pop to life instantly. also make sure your timer is on. nothing like expecting success and then have to figure out why shit aint right. lmao.

its enough to power 4 1000 watt lights on 240 volts of juice safely.
Thanks for the reply wheels619, but I need to run a sub panel off my empty dryer plug because if I use the wall outlets for all my other accessories the breakers flip when my girl uses her hair dryer. I guess all the bedrooms run on the same circuit. So I figured running a sub panel off that empty breaker will do the trick and fix that problem since nothing is running on that dryer breaker. Also another question. I've seen many threads on DIY ballast flip flops, I wanna build a 2-4 flip. From what I understand the safe way is running 1 relay per ballast. What I don't understand is why people connect the out from the relays to the lights to an outlet then you have to figure out a way to plug in your hood cable to that outlet? Is there something unsafe about hard wiring each hood cable to the relay outs(after the relay contacts) or is it just about making it easier to unplug if you have to? Thanks again for your time and help!

BTW...I'm running 2 600w @ 110 + plus pumps, fans yadda yadda yadda
 

wheels619

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Thanks for the reply wheels619, but I need to run a sub panel off my empty dryer plug because if I use the wall outlets for all my other accessories the breakers flip when my girl uses her hair dryer. I guess all the bedrooms run on the same circuit. So I figured running a sub panel off that empty breaker will do the trick and fix that problem since nothing is running on that dryer breaker. Also another question. I've seen many threads on DIY ballast flip flops, I wanna build a 2-4 flip. From what I understand the safe way is running 1 relay per ballast. What I don't understand is why people connect the out from the relays to the lights to an outlet then you have to figure out a way to plug in your hood cable to that outlet? Is there something unsafe about hard wiring each hood cable to the relay outs(after the relay contacts) or is it just about making it easier to unplug if you have to? Thanks again for your time and help!

BTW...I'm running 2 600w @ 110 + plus pumps, fans yadda yadda yadda
hmm. maybe you should tell her to get out of the bathroom. lol. j/k um well if you buy a nice enough lighting controller it will have a 120 outlet attached thats capable of 5 actual amps of 120 or so. some give you a 2 amp but the nicer ones give more. so you still have the lighting controller but you can run the fans off of it. the ballasts on 120 are the reasons you are tripping the breaker.they pull about 10 amps off of its 15 amp breaker. when its lights out tonight unplug the ballasts and plug the hair dryer in it shouldnt blow anything even with the other stuff still plugged in. run just the ballasts and inline fans off of it. the one i listed previously is powering my 4 1000 ballasts on 240 and running my 2 6 inch inlines on 120. also flip boxes are nice but you still have to have separate flower areas for this. and in that case you can get a 2-4 flip box but you are still gonna need at least a small 2 light controller to bring in the power for the lights otherwise the chingus is still gonna pop. chingus being breaker. a flip box is gonna cost an extra couple hundies on top of the controller your still gonna need to manage the incoming power. unless you build your own but i wouldnt recommend it without an electrician handy.

http://www.hydroponics.net/learn/grow-light-controller.asp
 
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