FinShaggy's BeanSprouts

[Finshaggy]

I'm sure he doesn't. He will probably say something like they are at someone else's house or in another room now that his lie is called out. That would make them even further from a control. I just can't wait till he says something about it lol.

No, if you actually read the part of this thread that that quote was from I was going to buy clones from the dispensary. I did not find out until AFTER I got my redcard renewed and sent to me in the mail, that the dispensaries here don't let you buy clones unless you sign up with them. I have to find a friend with clones.

 

[smellzlikeskunkyum]

yeah i dont know about that link. i already have something that goes against it. i had a CH9 Aroma fem seed that produced a plant which was 100% male, when going off of the preflowers. i never flowered it. stressing fem seeds produces hermies... not males. and seeds ARE genetically pre-disposed. im 100% sure of that. why else would certain batches of seeds, like swerve's gear, produce SO many hermies no matter the conditions. like reserva privada had an issue with the headband. etc. etc. when i read up on the Aroma from CH9 i found that i wasnt the only one with issues. many of their strains are known to hermie quite badly.

 

[Mechanical]

You missed the post where I said there are 6 more plants that neither one of us have seen yet. That will be the control when I get them.

There you go.. I fixed it for you then lol.. Your a terrible liar Fin but that's what makes this fun lol..

 

[smellzlikeskunkyum]

finshaggy.... try the compassion club nearest to you. i bet they would love to hook u up wuth clones. most of the dispensaries inMI wont sell clones either. well now all MMJ salea are illegal w/o it being a caregiver/patient sale.

 

[Finshaggy]

finshaggy.... try the compassion club nearest to you. i bet they would love to hook u up wuth clones. most of the dispensaries inMI wont sell clones either. well now all MMJ salea are illegal w/o it being a caregiver/patient sale.

I don't think there are compassion clubs near me...

 

[Mechanical]

You are very mistaken. In your "perfect world" everyone just has a mother plant, and has no need to ever grow any other strain. I'm sorry, but I don't just plan on stressing plants, I plan on breeding them as well. Meaning for the next 10-30 years, I'm not going to have much of the same IDENTICAL plants EVER.

The point of having a control is to prove that the experiment your performing works. When doing an experiment you need everything as "perfect" as possible so there is no room for second guessing your findings. This is not an experiment though. This is you not having the means/money or know how to grow optimally but still wanting to grow. Your attempt at a scrog was hilarious.

This is what a scrog is supposed to look like..

 

[delvite]

Hey finn i see things are still rolling along nicely?
thought id inject some bud porn into the the mix
Less than 24hrs till harvest time...............................

.......................................the rest of the pics are in my journal if you want a look and
il be posting the video as soon as i can
peace to all in the rollitup community - Delvite​

 

[UncleBuck]

I plan on breeding them as well. Meaning for the next 10-30 years, I'm not going to have much of the same IDENTICAL plants EVER.

and hundreds of fans will come here repping your dank dank!

keep dreaming, and don't commit suicide!

 

[brewer7]

You are very mistaken. In your "perfect world" everyone just has a mother plant, and has no need to ever grow any other strain. I'm sorry, but I don't just plan on stressing plants, I plan on breeding them as well. Meaning for the next 10-30 years, I'm not going to have much of the same IDENTICAL plants EVER.

Testing and breeding are totally different things. You're trying to test things, or at least you claim to be. You have a major flaw in your methodology. You will never know if any positive results (should they miraculously occur) are due to differing genetics, environmental factors, outliers, etc. In other words, your tests will prove nothing. You're throwing crap against the wall, hoping something sticks, and calling it a test. Any conclusion will be tenuous at best.

Now you're saying that you are stressing these plants while attempting to breed them. Count me more confused about what you are doing than when you started. If you want to successfully breed plants, you will probably need to take clones. Grow them, take a clone before flower, and keep the clones of the best plants. Breed that clone with another plant that you like the traits of. Rinse, repeat, until you get what you want. Otherwise, like with your "tests," your breeding program will amount to throwing shit against the wall and hoping something sticks. Lol, Good luck with that.

 

[Finshaggy]

The point of having a control

I never argued the point of having a control, if you would just TRY to read, you would see that I was arguing the definition of control. You said that the plants had to be IDEANTICAL or else nothing is discovered. I'm telling you that's wrong, and I will be growing many different breeds, in many different conditions to test what happens.

 

[Mechanical]

Hey finn i see things are still rolling along nicely?
thought id inject some bud porn into the the mix
Less than 24hrs till harvest time...............................

.......................................the rest of the pics are in my journal if you want a look and
il be posting the video as soon as i can
peace to all in the rollitup community - Delvite​

Gorgeous Delvite!!

 

[Finshaggy]

and hundreds of fans will come here repping your dank dank!

keep dreaming, and don't commit suicide!

Stickers and T-Shirts came in today. My dad has a printing and marketing company and he think's it's cool how many people are constantly on my nuts. So he printed up some t-shirts and stickers. I'll make a video with those in it soon

 

[UncleBuck]

Stickers and T-Shirts came in today. My dad has a printing and marketing company and he think's it's cool how many people are constantly on my nuts. So he printed up some t-shirts and stickers. I'll make a video with those in it soon

you mean your drunk, abusive dad who got deligerrent with you? or your stepdad who swooped in for a taste of those mama spammy fake tits?

 

[Finshaggy]

you mean your drunk, abusive dad who got deligerrent with you? or your stepdad who swooped in for a taste of those mama spammy fake tits?

My dad was not abusive, that quote is from an example for a made up word on UrbanDictionary. All you are doing when you talk about that is advertising the word I invented

 

[Finshaggy]

[video=youtube;XCgGZJUGBzE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgGZJUGBzE[/video]

 

[Mechanical]

I never argued the point of having a control, if you would just TRY to read, you would see that I was arguing the definition of control. You said that the plants had to be IDEANTICAL or else nothing is discovered. I'm telling you that's wrong, and I will be growing many different breeds, in many different conditions to test what happens.

Ok lets say you took a genetically different clone with an average of 14%THC grown in optimal conditions as your control and compared it to the plants that your growing that have an average THC% of lets say 18% grown in optimal conditions. When you finished the grows your stressed plants were tested and had a THC% of 20% OR 15% OR 18%. Your "control" had 14% after being tested. You dont know the exact % before you grew them though so how do you determine if your grow was a success or a failure? You can't! If you took two clones with the same THC levels as their mother you wouldnt need to know the THC% before you grew them because you can just compare the two finished products. If you got someone high that didnt know you or your reputation lol with your stressed plants and then days later got them high with a clone from the same mother grown optimally and had them vote that would be some sort of proof. When your doing something as dramatic as you are you need to know for sure if it works. Otherwise your waisting your time, electricity, and potential yield for nothing. Regardless of how many strains you test you are going to run into the same problems. Thats what people are trying to explain to you. Not the definition of control lol. I hope that makes sense to you. I would love for you to be able to prove that what your doing works but because of the way your doing it you can't.

 

[Flaming Pie]

You can't really prove or disprove if it does it cognitively, but it does tell the other parts of the cell what to do, via the DNA code and the fact that the cell has to do things for survival of itself. So it is the thing that would "know how" to respond to something like pain.

Actually, it has been proven. DNA and RNA are for replication and telling the cells where to gather and how to behave. When a plant's tissue is broken, it's cells replicate to repair the hole. That takes energy away from other tasks, which in turn can "stress" the plant by withholding energy from other important functions.

Take biology 1000 and try arguing your dimwit theories with a Professor.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Where is this control group?

I want a photo update of this control group.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Also clones themselves would make a shitty control group. The best way to structure this for a study would be to take a single mother plant and make atleast twenty clones from it. Then make ten clones the experimental group, and ten more clones the control group. This would control for genetic variation. I mean, if hes growing FinShaggy buttbomb indica and uses a control group of kali mist clones, the genetic variation alone would include so many variables that the experiment would be shit science.

Everyone understands this except figgy.

 

[Finshaggy]

Ok lets say you took a genetically different clone with an average of 14%THC grown in optimal conditions as your control and compared it to the plants that your growing that have an average THC% of lets say 18% grown in optimal conditions. When you finished the grows your stressed plants were tested and had a THC% of 20% OR 15% OR 18%. Your "control" had 14% after being tested. You dont know the exact % before you grew them though so how do you determine if your grow was a success or a failure? You can't! If you took two clones with the same THC levels as their mother you wouldnt need to know the THC% before you grew them because you can just compare the two finished products. If you got someone high that didnt know you or your reputation lol with your stressed plants and then days later got them high with a clone from the same mother grown optimally and had them vote that would be some sort of proof. When your doing something as dramatic as you are you need to know for sure if it works. Otherwise your waisting your time, electricity, and potential yield for nothing. Regardless of how many strains you test you are going to run into the same problems. Thats what people are trying to explain to you. Not the definition of control lol. I hope that makes sense to you. I would love for you to be able to prove that what your doing works but because of the way your doing it you can't.

I understand the genetics argument, which is another big point in this. The one that can do the best, in the worst conditions, should be the one to continue to the next generation. This is the BEST way to see which plant is best. I don't want to breed plants that can grow well in perfect conditions, I want to make plants plants that will grow well when you throw the seeds in a ditch. And I know that because the plants may be different genetically that they will produce different results than if I cloned one plant and used 12 versions of it to test on, but that does not mean that the results are worthless. It just means they were not gathered in Textbook conditions, but that is because I plan on using them in the future, not as the "end result". When I have my PERFECT strain (in like 15 years) I will have PLENTY of clones of that plant, but until I find it. I'm just testing out seeds.