Marijuana Horticulture VS Marijuana Grower's Handbook?

doniboy

doniboy

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If you have read and/or have both books, which book would you suggest for a noob who wants to grow indoors to buy/read first if you had to choose between Marijuana Horticulture by Jorge Cervantes and [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Growers-Handbook-Complete-Cultivation/dp/0932551467/]Marijuana Grower's Handbook by Ed Rosenthal[/URL]?
 
Kite High

Kite High

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neither..I recommend this




[h=1]Marijuana Grower's Guide Deluxe[/h]Return to TopMarijuana Grower's Guide Deluxe, by Mel Frank $19.95
352 pages, 64 color and 160 B&W photographs,
charts, drawings, graphs, and maps.
Index and bibliography

This classic treatise, revered as the most comprehensive work ever published on marijuana, explains Cannabis botany, chemistry, history, and both indoor and outdoor growing. The clear, concise text and high-quality photographs, drawings, and color plates have appeared in college textbooks, slide lectures, and educational film. The Deluxe is the first book every gardener should read for getting to know the Cannabis plant. Understanding marijuana's life cycle, growing requirements, and environmental influences such as the photoperiod are the keys to successful growing by anyone, anywhere, anytime.
"... an extremely clear and interesting essay in practical horticulture, as accessible a study of a single plant, at this high level of seriousness as one is likely to find." ―New York Times Book Review
"This is a very wise and masterful book about marijuana as a plant which needs attention. If it wasn't marijuana the book would find a welcome place on a flower-fern grower's shelf and most certainly will
appeal to professional and amateur botanists." ―West Coast Review of Books

[h=3]Table of Contents[/h]Foreword
Preface
Part I. General Information about Cannabis

  • Chapter 1. History and Taxonomy of Cannabis
    • Cannabis and Ancient History
      Cannabis and American History
      Cannabis: Species or Varieties
    Chapter 2. Cannabinoids: The Active Ingredients of Marijuana
    • Cannabinoids and the High
      Resin and Resin Glands
      Production of Cannabinoids by Cannabis
      Cannabis       Chemotypes
    Chapter 3. Before Cultivation Begins
    • Choosing Seeds
      Cannabis Life Cycle
      Photoperiod and Flowering
      Inherent Variations in Potency
      Cultivation: Indoors or Outdoors?
Part II. Indoor Gardening

  • Chapter 4. Introduction
    Chapter 5. Artificial Light
    • Fixtures
      Sources
      Setting Up the Garden
      Electricity
    Chapter 6. Soil and Containers for It
    • Pots and Other Containers
      Properties of Soil Preparing Commercial Soils and Mixes
      Buying Soil Components
      Digging Soil
      Growing Methods
    Chapter 7. Maintaing the Correct Environment
    • Requirements for Germination
      Light Cycle and Distance of Lights from Plants
      Water
      Air
      Humidity, CO[SUB]2[/SUB]
    Chapter 8. Gardening Techniques
    • Thinning
      Transplanting
      Supports for Plants
      Uniform Growth
      Pruning
      Training
    Chapter 9. Nutrients and Fertilizing
    • Nutrients
      Application: Fertilizing
      Nutrient Deficiencies
      Soilless Mixtures
    Chapter 10. Diseases and Plant Pests
    • Mirobial Diseases
      Nutrient Diseases
      Plant Pets
    Chapter 11. Maintenance and Restarting
    Part III. Outdoor Cultivation
    Chapter 12. Choosing a Site
    • Where to Grow
      Light
    Chapter 13. Soil
    • Types of Soil
      Humus and Composts
      Texture pH Fertilizers
      Techniques for Preparing Soils
      Guerilla Farming
    Chapter 14. Planting and Transplanting
    • When to Plant
      Preparing to Sow
      Germination
      Transplanting
    Chapter 15. Caring for the Growing Plants
    • Weeding
      Watering
      Thinning
      Staking
      Pruning
      Gardening Tips
    Chapter 16. Insects and Other Pests
    • Biological Control Chemical Insecticides Common Pests Vertebrate Pests
Part 1V. Flowering, Breeding, and Propagation

  • Chapter 17. Genetics and Sex in Cannabis
    • Flowering
      Sexual Variants in Cannabis
      Sexing the Plants
      Sinsemilla
    Chapter 18. Propagation and Breeding
    • Producing Seeds
      Producing Female Seeds
      Breeding
      Cuttings (clones)
      Grafting
      Polyploids
    Chapter 19. Effects of the Environment on Potency
    • Stress
      Nutrients
Part V. Harvesting, Curing, and Drying

  • Chapter 20. Harvesting
    • Harvesting During Growth: Leaves and Growing Shoots
      Male Plants
      Harvesting Female Buds
      Weather
      Potency and Decomposition
      Timing the Harvest
      Final Harvest.
    Chapter 21. After the Harvest
    • Stripping
      Grading and Manicuring
      Curing Drying
      Fermentation
      Storage
Bibliographic Notes
Index



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Kite High

Kite High

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yes I have read all three and many many more and by far Mel's is best...all real botanical info with no bs hype
 
fookey

fookey

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For the price of the books, you may as well get all three for less than 60 off Amazon. The one Kite High is talking about is 14.95$
 
doniboy

doniboy

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fookey said:
For the price of the books, you may as well get all three for less than 60 off Amazon. The one Kite High is talking about is 14.95$
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I have the two I mentioned on Kindle Fire already. I just want to read one right now though, and wanted to start with the best one first. The book Kite High talks about was written about 2 decades ago, and some reviews have confirmed that some techniques are out of date and questionable... I guess I'll just start with Ed's book...
 
Kite High

Kite High

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ok I understand as you already have it...read them both,,,just be careful as both contain bs hype the authors were paid to include...good luck
 
fookey

fookey

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I guess what is really important is reading about the actual [FONT=arial, sans-serif]C. indica and C. sativa plant. Most people get involved in the cash crop part and do not care to do the research. I've gotten down the build part. I've had some practice doing some pepppers to understand the germination process, temp requirements ect. Now I have to move onto the more technical stuff learning more about the nutrients I've purchased, PH/PPM. I REALLY need to bite the bullet and start learning about preventative maintenance, how to detect issues and how to overcome them. I am mostly nervous about the nutrients part, how to tell if a plant is lacking something, what it's lacking, and how to correct it.
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Kite High

Kite High

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use this and it will give great results simply...ferts are the most overrated thing in growing...for it is simple...just give it all the elements in decent proportions and less is more and you will be leaps and bounds ahead of the game
http://www.dyna-gro.com/
 
Sir.Ganga

Sir.Ganga

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Jorge and any of his papers you can get your hands on. Read everything you can and make your own decisions, you have to remember these books are not current they are revised on revised and can actually be "off base".

Just use it as a knowledge base and you will be fine, use them as your soul input and you can get between a rock and a hard place.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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doniboy said:
I have the two I mentioned on Kindle Fire already. I just want to read one right now though, and wanted to start with the best one first. The book Kite High talks about was written about 2 decades ago, and some reviews have confirmed that some techniques are out of date and questionable... I guess I'll just start with Ed's book...
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Rosenthal. I've read the three and Ed's newest edition is the best. Plus Ed will write you back if you email via his web site.
 
fookey

fookey

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Kite High said:
use this and it will give great results simply...ferts are the most overrated thing in growing...for it is simple...just give it all the elements in decent proportions and less is more and you will be leaps and bounds ahead of the game
http://www.dyna-gro.com/
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I've already vested in GH 3 part, Calmag, FloraBlend, and KoolBloom. I am more interested as in the why, not in the how. For example if someone is hyping up a solution saying it gives great results and to try it, you would think people would question why it works other than just trying it.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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Why? It contains ALL the nutrients a plant uses in ONE bottle. It is simple, effective and reasonably priced.
 
fookey

fookey

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hotrodharley said:
Rosenthal. I've read the three and Ed's newest edition is the best. Plus Ed will write you back if you email via his web site.
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I just ordered Marijuana Grower's Handbook: Your Complete Guide for Medical and Personal Marijuana Cultivation. Thanks for the suggestion, he has gotten rave reviews on his book.

Kite High said:
Why? It contains ALL the nutrients a plant uses in ONE bottle. It is simple, effective and reasonably priced.
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The nutrients were purchased about 3 weeks ago, I was under the impression that the 3 part was a quality product. Which I am sure it is and right now using it on some vegetable seedlings and house plants. Then I read about A and B nutrients and more recently about 1 part.

I've read not all strains are created equal in terms of nutrient requirements and some may need more of a specific nutrient than others. Have all the strains you've grown been fine with dynogro and not need any other supplements? You have a very good presence on this forum so you understand the community can pull you 5 different ways on the same topic.

This is not me trying to be arrogant or stubborn, I know for a fact and expressed it recently that after doing my design it is time to read up and understand nutrients, how to detect deficiencies, so on and so forth.

Also thanks again for chiming in, I have seen your contributions and you are knowledgeable. So I appreciate the feedback.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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Nutrients are the most overrated and misunderstood part of growing. simply all one need do is supply adequate amounts of all the required 17 elements, or mineral salts etc. As long as you do not give too much, the most common mistake in this area, they plants will take what they need and leave the rest. If you apply too much then the salinity gets too high causing a myriad of problems. Too little and deficiency signs appear. But it is a relatively sizable gap between too much and too little. For beginners I would err on the conservative side until you can learn to read the plants. For instance light green or yellowing leaves means you need to feed the m a lil more. Dark green leaves or "burnt" leaf tips mean you need to lower it a bit.

I use ro water for my plants as my tap is horrendous at 700-800 ppm. The following is what I use.


Dynagro Foliage Pro
Mag Pro
Protekt
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (due to ro water)
Liquid Karma ( the ONLY additive out of the plethora of additives I have tried that really made a beneficial difference)
Jack's Classic Acid Special (just a tad now and then to feed the pH swing)

I use the Mag Pro very sparingly in flower as high P foods are NEVER needed contrary to popular held opinion and forum/manufacturer hype

I grow in Promix HP amended with dolomite lime, diatomaceous earth and azomite cut with 40 % coarse perilite

Check these out
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358562-dyna-gro-vs-general-hydroponics.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429438-dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients.html

Hope it helps
 
fookey

fookey

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Kite High said:
Nutrients are the most overrated and misunderstood part of growing. simply all one need do is supply adequate amounts of all the required 17 elements, or mineral salts etc. As long as you do not give too much, the most common mistake in this area, they plants will take what they need and leave the rest. If you apply too much then the salinity gets too high causing a myriad of problems. Too little and deficiency signs appear. But it is a relatively sizable gap between too much and too little. For beginners I would err on the conservative side until you can learn to read the plants. For instance light green or yellowing leaves means you need to feed the m a lil more. Dark green leaves or "burnt" leaf tips mean you need to lower it a bit.

I use ro water for my plants as my tap is horrendous at 700-800 ppm. The following is what I use.


Dynagro Foliage Pro
Mag Pro
Protekt
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (due to ro water)
Liquid Karma ( the ONLY additive out of the plethora of additives I have tried that really made a beneficial difference)
Jack's Classic Acid Special (just a tad now and then to feed the pH swing)

I use the Mag Pro very sparingly in flower as high P foods are NEVER needed contrary to popular held opinion and forum/manufacturer hype

I grow in Promix HP amended with dolomite lime, diatomaceous earth and azomite cut with 40 % coarse perilite

Check these out
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358562-dyna-gro-vs-general-hydroponics.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429438-dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients.html

Hope it helps
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Thanks, all I have on that list is BC Cal Mag plus. I will probably continue on with what I have until I run out then change it up to your recommendations. My tap is 126 PPM and RO 18 (it's not the best unit I guess) I created a journal for my first "grow".

Do you have a feed schedule (pdf?) with those products? You seem meticulous with your grows so I thought I'd ask. I am set with doing this grow in hempy buckets 3 part perilite 1 part verm
 
Kite High

Kite High

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I have never even consulted charts...advise to go 1/2 to 1/4 manufacturers recommendations and move up from there

 
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