My first class with the golden teacher

[RetiredMatthebrute]

ok so i think you never answered my question. if you did im sorry i am asking again.

adter my mushrooms start growing. and i harvest them, do more grow? is it like a perpetual thing once it starts and once its done its done?

for example, with a MJ plant you grow one plant, once you harvest it and chop it down at the stem, anothe rplant does not just grow. is this the same with mushrooms or will my case/cake continue to grow new fruits until they simply cannot grow anymore due to insuficient nutrients or contams or whatever would prevent them from growing.

not sure if im clear on what im asking. you talk about flushes....what exactly is a flush?

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

low maintenance? is easy make a tub with one of those 10$ air pumps ad water and perlite to the bottom of tub, place air stone from pump in there( i h2o2 to the water when i first introduce colonized tubs, jars cakes into it) 3 or 4 holes in the top filled with poly or tyvek, something that will allow it to breath, positive pressure from the air added from air pump. get your basic 3 dollar extension cord a 9w flouro bulb 5000k, and a hole drill 1 1/4" to fit the bulb adapter thru
http://www.lowes.com/pd_72577-334-738V-SP-L_4294722558__?productId=1099209&Ns=p_product_avg_rating|1&pl=1&currentURL=?Ns=p_product_avg_rating|1&facetInfo= to

(this way will allow you to daisy chain more tubs should you choose)


you have to think though in mushroom talk bulk is a relative term, you can do a "bulk" grow inside of a 4"x4" tupperware, its more a method of growing, where you take your spawn and innoc a pasteurized substrate in order to grow the mushrooms in a bed, you could do "bulks" in all kinds of container, half of a gallon bad, a little tupperware from sliced turkey a pot ect. size isnt relevant just a style. why people do bigger bulks is for obvious reasons but also to get larger more natural forming mushrooms, depth of substrate is integral to this.

i dont think water and perilite is a option when casing is it?

 

[canndo]

your sketch seems counter productive - you want, if at all possible, to precondition your air before it gets into your fruiting chamber.

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

which book would you recomend?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mushroom-Cultivator-Practical-Mushrooms/dp/0961079800/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360978058&sr=8-4&keywords=Paul+Stamet's

or

http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Gourmet-Medicinal-Mushrooms-Stamets/dp/1580081754/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360978058&sr=8-1&keywords=Paul+Stamet's

i could prob spring for one of them.

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

your sketch seems counter productive - you want, if at all possible, to precondition your air before it gets into your fruiting chamber.

not exactly sure what you mean?

 

[canndo]

ok so i think you never answered my question. if you did im sorry i am asking again.

adter my mushrooms start growing. and i harvest them, do more grow? is it like a perpetual thing once it starts and once its done its done?

for example, with a MJ plant you grow one plant, once you harvest it and chop it down at the stem, anothe rplant does not just grow. is this the same with mushrooms or will my case/cake continue to grow new fruits until they simply cannot grow anymore due to insuficient nutrients or contams or whatever would prevent them from growing.

not sure if im clear on what im asking. you talk about flushes....what exactly is a flush?

Yes, more grow. Remember that we don't call the "mushrooms" fruit for nothing, they really are fruit eminating from the body of the mushroom which is a very complicated vial organism that is the three dimentional mat of mycelium - many subscribe to the belief that this mat is intelligent, I am one of them, there are billiions of cross connections and each filliment has two way communication with each cross connection - in a fully formed dychariotic fungus there are what as known as "clamp" connections that spread DNA and nutrient from one filliment to the next.

The first time you take mushrooms and view your grow at the same time you will probably agree with me.


You will get as few as one flush and as many as 6 flushes - if you are foolish enough to try to get 6 then you will deserve the green mold called trich (not to be confused with the good trich you get on pot) that you will almost surely get on your grow. A flush is one production of fruit. your second flush is in the works even as your first is growing, inspection of your substrate will show new primordia waiting in line for their turn. However, contrary to belief, your third flush is actually starting again from "scratch". the more you disrupt your substrate in picking your first flush the worse your second flush will be. The third doesn't matter.

expect your second flush to come in, in three to five days after your second, expect your third about 10 days after your second. In most cases you should toss your entire grow after your third but in any case definiately after your fourth. If you are doing things correctly you will get 80 percent of your total yield from your first two flushes and about 10 percent more from your third.

What WILL happen is that your subsequent flushes will be far more sparse but the ones that grow will be far large than your first or even your second. I have gotten dinner plate size caps from my third or fourth flushes. My shaggies grow huge in their third flush, growing as tall as 10 inches and maybe 5 inches across.

 

[canndo]

which book would you recomend?

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mushroom-Cultivator-Practical-Mushrooms/dp/0961079800/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360978058&sr=8-4&keywords=Paul+Stamet%27s

or

http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Gourmet-Medicinal-Mushrooms-Stamets/dp/1580081754/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360978058&sr=8-1&keywords=Paul+Stamet's

i could prob spring for one of them.

Get the first one.

 

[canndo]

not exactly sure what you mean?

Think plenum - pecondition the air and then force it into your chamber, the more positive pressure the better but you don't want too much air exchange because even 100 percent humidity when blown across your substrate will evaporate moisture from that substrate. Remember that you can put your laundry out to dry in 100 percent humidity and they will dry anyway.

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

Yes, more grow. Remember that we don't call the "mushrooms" fruit for nothing, they really are fruit eminating from the body of the mushroom which is a very complicated vial organism that is the three dimentional mat of mycelium - many subscribe to the belief that this mat is intelligent, I am one of them, there are billiions of cross connections and each filliment has two way communication with each cross connection - in a fully formed dychariotic fungus there are what as known as "clamp" connections that spread DNA and nutrient from one filliment to the next.

The first time you take mushrooms and view your grow at the same time you will probably agree with me.


You will get as few as one flush and as many as 6 flushes - if you are foolish enough to try to get 6 then you will deserve the green mold called trich (not to be confused with the good trich you get on pot) that you will almost surely get on your grow. A flush is one production of fruit. your second flush is in the works even as your first is growing, inspection of your substrate will show new primordia waiting in line for their turn. However, contrary to belief, your third flush is actually starting again from "scratch". the more you disrupt your substrate in picking your first flush the worse your second flush will be. The third doesn't matter.

expect your second flush to come in, in three to five days after your second, expect your third about 10 days after your second. In most cases you should toss your entire grow after your third but in any case definiately after your fourth. If you are doing things correctly you will get 80 percent of your total yield from your first two flushes and about 10 percent more from your third.

What WILL happen is that your subsequent flushes will be far more sparse but the ones that grow will be far large than your first or even your second. I have gotten dinner plate size caps from my third or fourth flushes. My shaggies grow huge in their third flush, growing as tall as 10 inches and maybe 5 inches across.

ok sweet that cleared one thing up for me. im really glad i started this thread when i did and didnt wait untill i was done inoculating my first batch.

and i thank you for all your time you are spending helping me figure this out.

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

Get the first one.

i will order it if the wife OK's it

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

Think plenum - pecondition the air and then force it into your chamber, the more positive pressure the better but you don't want too much air exchange because even 100 percent humidity when blown across your substrate will evaporate moisture from that substrate. Remember that you can put your laundry out to dry in 100 percent humidity and they will dry anyway.

so something like this?




set the time to run 4x a day for 30 min?

 

[highfirejones]

is there a good web spot for spores?

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

not sure to be honest. i ordered mine from spores101.com

20 bucks got me 2 10ml syringes. 3-5 day shipping with tracking.....now lets see if i actually get them

 

[Thundercat]

I used a large clear tote to fruit in, and a pint size mason jar to filter my air. I ran an air line into the chamber and tinto the bottom of the mason jar through holes in the lid. The jar was about 1/2-3/4 full of water and the other holes in the lid had pourous medical tape over the holes. This forced the air to bubble up through the water filtering it and constantly circulating air into my chamber. Cost next to nothing to make, and worked great at keeping the humidity up also.

I ordered some syringes from spores101 I got them, but they weren't very dark sadly.

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

i ordered mine a day or 2 ago and they havent shipped yet

oh and great idea on the mason jar i have plenty of them kicking around from other "hobbies"

 

[Thundercat]

Yep I set up my op for under $100 and was pulling flushes in under 30 days with good size casings.

The jars where just one of the little things I tried.

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

yeah i have about 100 bucks invested thus far.

 

[highfirejones]

thats the thing, quick time till harvest if gos well, I tried about a decade ago and got close(could literally smell the mushroom smell already I swear) and then it became contaminated, I always sprayed diluted bleach mist in my area before even checking things out except this one time, literally 1 week later a green mold had infiltrated my substrate, the shroom smell was gone and that was it, a couple months ago I heard u couldnt get spores so glad u guys are doin it, keep up the godly work

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

im prety sure theres no need for bleach water spray, from my understanding once the mycilium from the fungi your cultivating is fully formed it creates almost a barrier from other contams from setting up shop so to say. I may be wrong on this. but inoculation is the toughest part because if contams get in then they can overcome your mycilium, if your mycilium sets up shop and is allowed to fully establish its pretty difficult for other fungi (contams) to get in.

like i said i may be wrong so anyone feel free to correct me if im misunderstood.

 

[Killua]

I made this account just to say thanks to Matt and everyone that has contributed to his journal. I am a beginner as well and WAS going to attempt PF tek(I haven't bought anything yet, luckily). I have a feeling this thread is going to lead a lot of beginners in the right direction.