"Colored only" after school tutoring

[UncleBuck]

I was raised in ghetto ass trailor parks, where's my perks? My family has always been tailor trash thruout the generations. Being black and poor now has better special opportunities than a poor white kid? The same question that I asked Rainbow about a poor white kid that has been raised in the same exact ghetto neighborhood is more limited because the color of his skin?

are the circumstances faced by the poor white kid in some part a product of centuries of slavery and institutionalized racism?

didn't think so.

 

[Pipe Dream]

so someone born to a de facto segregated food desert has the same opportunities as someone born with a silver spoon in their mouth?

No we are talking about skin color. I grew up in Aurora, I went to the same schools and compete for the same local job opportunities. You act like being white is synonymous with having wealth and that we should feel ashamed and be held responsible about a part of our history that all powerful empires throughout history are likely guilty of.

 

[UncleBuck]

I wonder when that card will finally be expired, do they need casinos too?

there's a difference between acknowledging our past and playing the race card, junior.

those who forgget the past are indeed doomed to repeat it.

 

[UncleBuck]

No we are talking about skin color. I grew up in Aurora, I went to the same schools and compete for the same local job opportunities. You act like being white is synonymous with having wealth and that we should feel ashamed and be held responsible about about a part of our history that all powerful empires throughout history are likely guilty of.

when did i say white was synonymous with wealth and that we should feel ashamed?

i am simply arguing that because of our unique history, we should acknowledge that it has had effects on our citizens, ands that we should want to work to correct the sins of our past.

do you think the effects of centuries of persecution can simply be erased overnight?

 

[RainbowBrite86]

OK in all fairness, I have to say, that story was hypothetical. I was a poor white kid. I lived with my grandma, in the ghettos of the most miserable Midwest state ever, back when food stamps were paper and yes, we were on them. MOST of my classmates were black, all but one of my neighbors were. Why were we the only white people so poor we had to live there when the place was flooded with black people is beyond me. When our lives got a little better, we moved to a better area, which was about 50/50 black and white students (who got along marvelously, I might add. We were very close classmates, most of us still friends.) I never thought about it back then, but in retrospect, I do think it would have been harder being black even with the same income we had.

 

[Trolling]

when did i say we were better than blacks?

think of it this way: if we were a majority black country, founded by blacks, and whites were brought in as slaves, then freed but disenfranchised and segregated and faced institutionalized racism, would you be against helping whites to achieve the same footing as those that profited off their enslavement and discrimination?

are the circumstances faced by the poor white kid in some part a product of centuries of slavery and institutionalized racism?

didn't think so.

I try not to hood grudges...as I said, sounds like a personal problem if some people can't get over it, you can't play the race card forever.

 

[ginwilly]

so someone born to a de facto segregated food desert has the same opportunities as someone born with a silver spoon in their mouth?

Of course not. To assume it's because of color says something about you. Michael Jordan's kids will have opportunities that you and I didn't have and the only color that causes this is green. A black neurosurgeon's kids will have more opportunities and an easier path to success than his white secretary's kids. That's just common sense.

It's as if you look at the inner cities and believe all blacks are like this. Believe it or not some blacks manage to somehow succeed, shocking to you as that may be, it's true. They were even able to succeed without special privileges afforded to them because of their color. And just like any other ethnicity on this planet some fail at life and it really IS their fault.

 

[RainbowBrite86]

when did i say white was synonymous with wealth and that we should feel ashamed?

i am simply arguing that because of our unique history, we should acknowledge that it has had effects on our citizens, ands that we should want to work to correct the sins of our past.

do you think the effects of centuries of persecution can simply be erased overnight?

You do kinda come off like "kill the white man" Bucky. It's OK. I love you anyway.

 

[Trolling]

there's a difference between acknowledging our past and playing the race card, junior.

those who forgget the past are indeed doomed to repeat it.

Yeah I acknowledge it, but I don't see how 2 of the same kids, in the same situation, the one who happens to be a little darker because of history is any more fair than having to sit on the back of the bus, to me it looks like history is already repeating itself if you look at it this way.


Besides, you're saying if we drop it, we still know about it but don't bring it up in every conversation is not playing the race card, I dunno what is.

 

[UncleBuck]

I try not to hood grudges...as I said, sounds like a personal problem if some people can't get over it, you can't play the race card forever.

trying to erase the achievement gap is literally "getting over it", "it" being the damage we have done to some of our citizens by treating them as subhuman for centuries.

should rape victims just "get over it", or do you think they may need therapy and counseling to do so?

you can keep yapping about "race card" until you're blue in the face, junior. it won't change the past.

 

[UncleBuck]

Of course not. To assume it's because of color says something about you. Michael Jordan's kids will have opportunities that you and I didn't have and the only color that causes this is green. A black neurosurgeon's kids will have more opportunities and an easier path to success than his white secretary's kids. That's just common sense.

It's as if you look at the inner cities and believe all blacks are like this. Believe it or not some blacks manage to somehow succeed, shocking to you as that may be, it's true. They were even able to succeed without special privileges afforded to them because of their color. And just like any other ethnicity on this planet some fail at life and it really IS their fault.

you might want to read back a little, i have said this is NOT about color. i even asked trolling to explain the achievement gap with reference to color only because it can not be done.

learn to read, please.

 

[RainbowBrite86]

I don't think there should be a "colored kids only" tutoring program, though. I do agree we have to stop segregating, I just think we can't pretend like we all got off to the same start. As a whole, not as individuals. But I agreed to disagree so i'll leave you boys to it. Have fun. Nice talking with you guys!

 

[UncleBuck]

Yeah I acknowledge it, but I don't see how 2 of the same kids, in the same situation, the one who happens to be a little darker because of history is any more fair than having to sit on the back of the bus, to me it looks like history is already repeating itself if you look at it this way.


Besides, you're saying if we drop it, we still know about it but don't bring it up in every conversation is not playing the race card, I dunno what is.

i'm sorry, but did you even read the title of this thread first?

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't think there should be a "colored kids only" tutoring program, though.

agreed, but i can understand why there is one, and i have no problem defending it.

 

[Trolling]

trying to erase the achievement gap is literally "getting over it", "it" being the damage we have done to some of our citizens by treating them as subhuman for centuries.

should rape victims just "get over it", or do you think they may need therapy and counseling to do so?

you can keep yapping about "race card" until you're blue in the face, junior. it won't change the past.

You can't possibly compare a rape victim to the new generation that hasn't experience any of that. Not maybe of this was 1969, yeah I can see bit this is 2013, a poor white kid should have the same help a black poor kid has, vise versa.

 

[Trolling]

i'm sorry, but did you even read the title of this thread first?

Yep, sure did...Colored only.

 

[UncleBuck]

You can't possibly compare a rape victim to the new generation that hasn't experience any of that. Not maybe of this was 1969, yeah I can see bit this is 2013, a poor white kid should have the same help a black poor kid has, vise versa.

it was an analogy, and in imperfect one at that.

what happened to the rape victim and what happened to black people are both forms of trauma, the former being brutal and violent over the course of minutes and the latter being brutal and violent over the course of a century, then brutal, violent, subtle, institutional, and de facto over the course of another century plus.

just as the rape victim won't just shower off and soldier on like normal, nor will an entire race of our citizenry that has been brutalized so over centuries. that's why we still see the achievement gap over 50 years after civil rights passed.

there's nothing special about melanin that would cause such a thing, we know exactly why it exists.

 

[PeyoteReligion]

 

[UncleBuck]

Yep, sure did...Colored only.

and slavery, disenfranchisement, segregation, institutionalized racism: also...colored only.

 

[UncleBuck]