Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

[Doer]

Yes, Dr. K. and if I like that better, my money goes to you. Monsanto has to adapt.

New, All Natural Organic Landrace Stains. Come back to the real deal.

It's all good.

 

[Figong]

You won't find anything from the FDA they don't test the food, they rely on the documents/studies etc. submitted by the manufacturer

Was pretty sure that they mostly oversee all in-vitro testing, given the possibilities as a minimum... they're no good at all then - I believe I was thinking FD&C involved testing, just gives them the power to shut shit down should someone actually say "No, our products could be quite harmful in-vitro".

 

[ChesusRice]

Well, to say it is all a failure means that GM is over. Low yields. Busybody interference from the FUDers, the ignorance and lies of the Organics Lobby, has killed it. No worries.

Just mount a human rights opposition, on the very solid grounds of.....no solid ground. That should work.

I'll guess that by the end of 2014 exactly nothing has been decided. And I will guess that the current produce patenting laws will be just fine for Monsanto and Cannabis. And for that I will be forever grateful.

Monsanto Authentic Himalayan Ganja, Strain 204....my future possible favorite. Or Tailored Genome #6. It goes perfect with any Wine and Cheese pairing.

Why would they do anything but make it more saleable? There will be fuck ups. Bling Sponge Dog Breath will likely fail and be laughed at on the Daily Show. But, Red Shaved Slim is always a favorite.

Yes, I predict that if there is money in it for the USA, then we can eventually have it back, like alcohol. Luddites have no imagination and can't stop progress, iac.

Got a freind who is into Homeopathy.

Thinks raw milk is healthy for you

 

[Figong]

The irony of information showing Monsanto/GE projects failing... on page 187.. not so coincidental?

 

[echelon1k1]

Was pretty sure that they mostly oversee all in-vitro testing, given the possibilities as a minimum... they're no good at all then - I believe I was thinking FD&C involved testing, just gives them the power to shut shit down should someone actually say "No, our products could be quite harmful in-vitro".

I used to think the same, given their charge as a regulator for food safety. The "revolving door" policy doesn't help things either.

The fact is the science isn't conclusive yet and a significant effort is needed to have independent, transparent & long term tests on the effects of these modified foods. If nothing else at this point, labelling should be introduced as mandatory in the US. The sales data from that alone would be interesting to look over....

 

[Figong]

I used to think the same, given their charge as a regulator for food safety. The "revolving door" policy doesn't help things either.

The fact is the science isn't conclusive yet and a significant effort is needed to have independent, transparent & long term tests on the effects of these modified foods. If nothing else at this point, labelling should be introduced as mandatory in the US. The sales data from that alone would be interesting to look over....

Agreed, would love to look at sales info for it - all I know based on what I see in our local supermarket chain.. is that most things that are labeled '100% natural' or 'organic' are about sold out.. all of the time. This by no means shocks me, at all.

 

[Harrekin]

Agreed, would love to look at sales info for it - all I know based on what I see in our local supermarket chain.. is that most things that are labeled '100% natural' or 'organic' are about sold out.. all of the time. This by no means shocks me, at all.

Can someone explain to me what exactly is "unnatural" about GM veggies?

Does it not grow or something?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Can someone explain to me what exactly is "unnatural" about GM veggies?

Does it not grow or something?

I would love to try me some supernatural meats, fruits and vegetables.

 

[Figong]

Can someone explain to me what exactly is "unnatural" about GM veggies?

Does it not grow or something?

Unpredictable RNA/DNA strands that metabolize and break down differently inside of the human body, as compared to tests on animals and insects... especially if a woman is pregnant, and there's hormonal changes. Major risk? perhaps not.. do you want to be immune to a family of antibiotics that may mean the difference between life and death due to how your body processed a gene strand from an insect that got spliced into corn? I'm willing to bet no. Is it worth it in the big picture? For this one, it definitely points to: "Mileage may vary" - I'd rather stick with what I know isn't modified.

 

[Harrekin]

Unpredictable RNA/DNA strands that metabolize and break down differently inside of the human body, as compared to tests on animals and insects... especially if a woman is pregnant, and there's hormonal changes. Major risk? perhaps not.. do you want to be immune to a family of antibiotics that may mean the difference between life and death due to how your body processed a gene strand from an insect that got spliced into corn? I'm willing to bet no. Is it worth it in the big picture? For this one, it definitely points to: "Mileage may vary" - I'd rather stick with what I know isn't modified.

DNA/RNA strands are broken down to base aminos in the stomach...it generally how we digest proteins.

Care to take another whack at it? What exactly is it you fear? You realise the digestive system doesn't differenciate between GM and non-GM, right?

 

[Figong]

DNA/RNA strands are broken down to base aminos in the stomach...it generally how we digest proteins.

Care to take another whack at it? What exactly is it you fear? You realise the digestive system doesn't differenciate between GM and non-GM, right?

I understand the digestion of it, and how that works - my point is that natural items are more likely to break down to something safe than something with a bang-up genetics strand that's unstable and mostly unproven.

 

[Harrekin]

I understand the digestion of it, and how that works - my point is that natural items are more likely to break down to something safe than something with a bang-up genetics strand that's unstable and mostly unproven.

It's still the same base "material" used to make the genetic strands, and digested the same way like all other proteins.

The inserted sections of DNA are the same as all the other DNA in the strand, they've just got different words on them.

I think you're assuming some kind of a viral vector is involved, which it is not.

Do you turn into a cow when you eat steak?

 

[Doer]

Unpredictable RNA/DNA strands that metabolize and break down differently inside of the human body, as compared to tests on animals and insects... especially if a woman is pregnant, and there's hormonal changes. Major risk? perhaps not.. do you want to be immune to a family of antibiotics that may mean the difference between life and death due to how your body processed a gene strand from an insect that got spliced into corn? I'm willing to bet no. Is it worth it in the big picture? For this one, it definitely points to: "Mileage may vary" - I'd rather stick with what I know isn't modified.

Full circle. It's all been modified. Oh, you eat heirloom produce only?

Many (most?) insects are quite palatable. But, you know the genomes modify themselves. Cosmic rays snip those DNA strands in the field. And virus modifies it all, ceaselessly.

In fact, we are modified. They can find ancient virus snips though out humans. Virus is turning out to be a main force in evolution.

So, to review, against progress is FUD.

Fear, Uncertainly and Doubt

 

[Harrekin]

Full circle. It's all been modified. Oh, you eat heirloom produce only?

Many (most?) insects are quite palatable. But, you know the genomes modify themselves. Cosmic rays snip those DNA strands in the field. And virus modifies it all, ceaselessly.

In fact, we are modified. They can find ancient virus snips though out humans. Virus is turning out to be a main force in evolution.

So, to review, against progress is FUD.

Fear, Uncertainly and Doubt

It's exactly what the simpletons thought would happen when we turned on the LHC; "A black hole shall consume us all!!"

 

[Doer]

Simpleton!?? How dare you call high school age Ozzies, simpletons?

Even, in the most simple terms the most advanced simpletons, just can't get it. And for every idiotic notion there is a grain of truth. Even Cold Fusion.

And the LHC can produce black holes, but the energy level is so meager, the hole would not even exist for a bill of a sec. And would it have any measurable radius?....no. Any ability to grow, to absorb even one atom of H? No.

The Press makes fools of us, and all the time claiming that's what we want.

BTW, Figong, it shows you are thinking and I like that. It's just that DNA is only 4 molecules of proteins, arranged in a certain pattern. Ingested, DNA is just a tiny bit of food. So, a Pit Viper's DNA is not poisonous. Nor is it when snipped into a Strawberry. But, if that Strawberry strain began to produce neurotoxin, that could be a problem.

But, it's what do you want? The Strawberry now may contain your universal cancer cure, based on Pit Viper, neuro-tox.

You have to think big. The Industry sure is.

 

[Harrekin]

Simpleton!?? How dare you call high school age Ozzies, simpletons?

Even, in the most simple terms the most advanced simpletons, just can't get it. And for every idiotic notion there is a grain of truth. Even Cold Fusion.

And the LHC can produce black holes, but the energy level is so meager, the hole would not even exist for a bill of a sec. And would it have any measurable radius?....no. Any ability to grow, to absorb even one atom of H? No.

The Press makes fools of us, and all the time claiming that's what we want.

BTW, Figong, it shows you are thinking and I like that. It's just that DNA is only 4 molecules of proteins, arranged in a certain pattern. Ingested, DNA is just a tiny bit of food. So, a Pit Viper's DNA is not poisonous. Nor is it when snipped into a Strawberry. But, if that Strawberry strain began to produce neurotoxin, that could be a problem.

But, it's what do you want? The Strawberry now may contain your universal cancer cure, based on Pit Viper, neuro-tox.

You have to think big. The Industry sure is.

Id just settle for "Super Ganga No.7":
THC 50%
Autoflowering, finished in 8 weeks
Yield: 1lbs per plant.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Got a freind who is into Homeopathy.

Thinks raw milk is healthy for you

ha ha ha! dude, he never milked a cow then!

unless you treat your cow's udder better than your girl's tits that shit is just nasty.

i wouldnt touch any unpasteurized milk unless i tapped the cow myself, or know the guy who did, and he's drinking first.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Simpleton!?? How dare you call high school age Ozzies, simpletons?

Even, in the most simple terms the most advanced simpletons, just can't get it. And for every idiotic notion there is a grain of truth. Even Cold Fusion.

And the LHC can produce black holes, but the energy level is so meager, the hole would not even exist for a bill of a sec. And would it have any measurable radius?....no. Any ability to grow, to absorb even one atom of H? No.

The Press makes fools of us, and all the time claiming that's what we want.

BTW, Figong, it shows you are thinking and I like that. It's just that DNA is only 4 molecules of proteins, arranged in a certain pattern. Ingested, DNA is just a tiny bit of food. So, a Pit Viper's DNA is not poisonous. Nor is it when snipped into a Strawberry. But, if that Strawberry strain began to produce neurotoxin, that could be a problem.

But, it's what do you want? The Strawberry now may contain your universal cancer cure, based on Pit Viper, neuro-tox.

You have to think big. The Industry sure is.

the venom of pit vipers is not toxic if you eat it. the digestive tract destroys the toxins, reducing them to protiens and other nutrients.

it's only toxic in the bloostream. thats why birds that eat snakes (venom included) dont fall out of the sky.

theres not a single venomous critter i know of who makes a toxin that cannot be digested readily. otherwise those critters would poison themselves whenever they ate their prey.

only POISONOUS critters like poison arrow frogs, blowfish, a few insects and cane toads make toxins that kill anything that eats em. they dont use that toxin to catch prey they use it to kill predators through Mutually Assured Destruction.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

the venom of pit vipers is not toxic if you eat it. the digestive tract destroys the toxins, reducing them to protiens and other nutrients.

it's only toxic in the bloostream. thats why birds that eat snakes (venom included) dont fall out of the sky.

theres not a single venomous critter i know of who makes a toxin that cannot be digested readily. otherwise those critters would poison themselves whenever they ate their prey.

only POISONOUS critters like poison arrow frogs, blowfish, a few insects and cane toads make toxins that kill anything that eats em. they dont use that toxin to catch prey they use it to kill predators through Mutually Assured Destruction.

What about those in the Heloderma family?

 

[Dr Kynes]

What about those in the Heloderma family?

they make a venom much like snakes, you can eat em, venom and all.

gila monsters are a freaky dare food in northern mexico and southern texas. they arent poisonous, they are venomous.