Fast finishing pheno?!?

[gagekko]

I'm growing some Royal Queen Seeds, Special Kush #1.... I have this one pheno (out of 4 plants) that is a faster finisher and will probably produce more than the rest of the special kush's... This plant is pretty frosty and seems like it is about 1 - 2 weeks ahead of the other kush's.

My question is, could this be right? Can the same strain produce a plant that might finish almost 2 weeks earlier than the rest? I'm wondering if maybe I just did something different but can't for the life of me think of what that might be :/

Any similar experiences would be appreciated.

 

[Gaia's.Grower]

The more consistent growth from seed to seed equates to more genetic stability. I think it is difficult to get above 95% stable especially if you are pulling out a recessive trait. So with that said out of 100 seeds of a well stabilized strain you should see 3-7 that display non conforming traits. This is what people mean when talking about selecting a pheno.
Most crosses aren't stabilized and will have greater variety within a fewer number of seeds.

If you have a danky fast finisher that packs on heavier weight you should discard the other phenos for production. And unless there is something super heady about the other phenos you should toss them from personal stash as well.

Due to the genetics you found you could have the best version around even if someone grew their pheno identical.

 

[Huel Perkins]

Two seeds that came from the same strain, even from the same bud can produce two plants that are 100% different from each other.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Two seeds that came from the same strain, even from the same bud can produce two plants that are 100% different from each other.

And that's a bold statement about the seed chucking industry. You'd think after 40 years of "breeding", the Dutch would have finally got it right. About the only stable phenos I've seen was from the Bros. Grimm cubing efforts. TFD seems to have pretty stable stock too. For instance, many years ago I grew out their Thai-tanic and they were identical plants.

Here's an old shot of 4 of the Bros. Grimm original Cinderella 99 2 weeks into flowering. Almost look like clones, eh?



And....it was a pretty fast flowerer. Here's a typical cola at 6 weeks.



I still have some of the original Bros. Grimm In/Out mix seeds. Need to get them in the ground. They are at least 12 years old by now.

UB

 

[cues]

12 years!!!
Good luck with that

 

[gagekko]

Haha, thanks all... I guess I knew that there is prolly nothing special about this - just another example of inconsistent genetics. I might have to keep the fast flowering - guess it'll depend on how she taste

 

[Uncle Ben]

12 years!!!
Good luck with that

Guarantee I'll get close to 100% germ rate. I've stored them well.

UB

 

[cues]

It would be good to hear how you get on. I tried to germ some AK47 from about 5 years back recently and had no luck. I hadn't stored them myself though. They were just kept in a ziplock bag at a mates. I remember the grow (fuckin idiots didn't know what they were doing and wouldn't take advice) and they didn't pull the males.
Mind you, I never really store seeds with a view to long-term storage. I just put them in something paper, write the name and put them in a drawer.

 

[Uncle Ben]

It would be good to hear how you get on. I tried to germ some AK47 from about 5 years back recently and had no luck.

Other than improper storage, what steps did you follow to try to germinate them? Something's wrong here......

I hadn't stored them myself though. They were just kept in a ziplock bag at a mates. I remember the grow (fuckin idiots didn't know what they were doing and wouldn't take advice) and they didn't pull the males.
Mind you, I never really store seeds with a view to long-term storage. I just put them in something paper, write the name and put them in a drawer.

You can freeze for real long storage or do what I do put them in a jeweler's baggie, place all baggies in a sealed container with a little rice and store them in the fridge. I've had some TFD O. Haze laying around for at least 12 years and this past year all germinated but one, and they weren't as mature as the seeds I make.

UB

 

[cues]

I normally always get pretty close to 100%. Seeds go into a clear tupperware pot with water in my snakes vivarium (85 degrees day, 75 night). When popped they go into a root riot cube in a heated (depending on weather) propogator uner cfl's until they come up and the cases fall off the cotlydons.
I think I tried about 5 ak seeds and got nothing. Nothing against the strain. I suspect it was my mates storage methods.

 

[Uncle Ben]

ouch.............

 

[Vincent VonBlown]

I keep my seeds were it is cool around 60 degrees, they last about 5 years that way. I've never tried storing them in the fridge or freezer.

However, I do remember Vic High saying something about using a small amount of nitrigen, and a small amount of super thrive. To germinate old seeds that wouldn't go.

Seeds seem to die from the head down, the first set of false leaf containing the food supply. Won't turn green. So you can have a tail form but the head won't grow and won't photosynthesize. Basicly because a hormone is no longer present to cause the function.

I've never tried Vic's method, but I would be interested to see if it works. As Bill Wonder tells me he has 1000s of extra 4th back cross seed. I had a fairly good number of them, but I've been starting loads of them off to breed with. They are about 5 years old, And I can tell they are going to be ungermable fairly soon.