"The Science is settled", and other fairy tales

[cannabineer]

dude that nubbin was all foreskin!!

imma need a replay!

Minus pic please. cn

 

[Canna Sylvan]

does not compute.






wtf is that? im as confused as Mr Combs when he found a Single in his wad of Hundie Sticks.

You're like my grandfather. He thinks I'm 7th Day and that's the reason I converted, see, my wife grew up one. He has no idea I'm an atheist either. He was so concerned, he invited over a 7th Day buddy and he ate a steak in front of me so I'd know I wasn't cheating.

 

[Dr Kynes]

You're like my grandfather. He thinks I'm 7th Day and that's the reason I converted, see, my wife grew up one. He has no idea I'm an atheist either. He was so concerned, he invited over a 7th Day buddy and he ate a steak in front of me so I'd know I wasn't cheating.

?

the truth is i like several vegetarian and vegan menu items, but my experience with tofu dogs has been unsatisfactory despite my overall appreciation for tofu, in most preparations, and even raw.

the items in your image do not appreat to be frankfurters, nor any artificial simulation prepared as a frankfurter.

what the hell are those things, and why are they contained within a hermetically sealed plasticine tube sealed with metal bindings?

are they that dangerous?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

?

the truth is i like several vegetarian and vegan menu items, but my experience with tofu dogs has been unsatisfactory despite my overall appreciation for tofu, in most preparations, and even raw.

the items in your image do not appreat to be frankfurters, nor any artificial simulation prepared as a frankfurter.

what the hell are those things, and why are they contained within a hermetically sealed plasticine tube sealed with metal bindings?

are they that dangerous?

Have you never seen a real frankfurter? Metal staples are used on Farmer John liverwurst. Next time you go to the grocery store check it out.

Also, the Field Grain are wheat gluten (seitan) not soy/tofu. You don't eat the casing, just like you don't with the liverwurst. The casing only holds the gluten together until the boiling heat binds the protein.

Casings are soft cylindrical containers used to contain sausage
mixes (Fig. 314). Casings can be of natural origin or artificial .
Natural casings are obtained from animal intestines derived
from slaughtering. Manufactured artificial casings are made of
cellulose, collagen or synthetic materials. Sausage fillings are
mostly minced or comminuted meat mixes held together by
the casings during further processing steps such as smoking,
boiling, frying or roasting. In addition, casings also protect
products during storage.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/ai407e/AI407E20.htm

 

[UncleBuck]

well, there goes another thread to canna's veganism.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

well, there goes another thread to canna's veganism.

Is Desert Dude your new BFF?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Have you never seen a real frankfurter? Metal staples are used on Farmer John liverwurst. Next time you go to the grocery store check it out.

Also, the Field Grain are wheat gluten (seitan) not soy/tofu. You don't eat the casing, just like you don't with the liverwurst. The casing only holds the gluten together until the boiling heat binds the protein.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/ai407e/AI407E20.htm

braunschwieger is a pate' like forcemeat not a sausage.

real frankfurters are skinless pickled or cured sausages made from a blend of beef and pork, not the hideous meat byproduct disposal cartridges on a bun that most people think are food.

you can make sausages with anything, but to be a frankfurter there's rules. thats why most americans eat "franks" and "hot dogs' not frankfurters, which are a whole different thing. and tasty as fuck too.

if you hit up a german deli and get you a jar of real frankfurters youll wonder why "hot dogs" can even pass themselves off as food.

personally im a wiesswurst kinda guy. i love those little smoked veal motherfuckers.

 

[welshsmoker]

global warming my arse, its bastard freezing over here, lol

 

[Padawanbater2]

The science is settled.

To deny it at this point is just like denying the medicinal qualities of cannabis. Climate change deniers are the anti-mmj lobbyists of the environment industry. The "vaccines cause autism!" crowd. The "God hates fags" sect of Christianity...

Why do we only hear of this type of denial from Americans? Shouldn't that be a pretty big clue? The entire rest of the world is on board with this, yet Americans stand alone in denying it. What is the discrepancy? What stands out? What could it be...

 

[Dr Kynes]

The science is settled.

To deny it at this point is just like denying the medicinal qualities of cannabis. Climate change deniers are the anti-mmj lobbyists of the environment industry. The "vaccines cause autism!" crowd. The "God hates fags" sect of Christianity...

Why do we only hear of this type of denial from Americans? Shouldn't that be a pretty big clue? The entire rest of the world is on board with this, yet Americans stand alone in denying it. What is the discrepancy? What stands out? What could it be...

hmm so india didd not withdraw from the ipcc in protest of falsification of their data?

niether did the russians?

maybe it's because here in the us we have a freedom to express our views even if they are unpopular or contrary to the recieved opinion from on high.

further there are many climate change apostates worldwide, in england, in ireland, in australia, in sweden, in france etc...

they just get drowned out by the orthodoxy of the press and the climate terror of the cassandras.

way to dredge upo glenn beck who hasnt been heard from for almost 2 years, and geraldo rivera who hasnt been anywhere in 5.

maybe you could trot out walter kronkite or dan rather too?



edit: also thats pretty big talk from a guy with Kofi "oil for food" Anan in his signature...

dude, kofi and his sone bilked the world out of billions with their scaam and helped fund several terrroist organizations aalong the way and they were in league with saddam hussein.

wtf is wrong with you?

 

[UncleBuck]

The science is settled.

To deny it at this point is just like denying the medicinal qualities of cannabis. Climate change deniers are the anti-mmj lobbyists of the environment industry. The "vaccines cause autism!" crowd. The "God hates fags" sect of Christianity...

Why do we only hear of this type of denial from Americans? Shouldn't that be a pretty big clue? The entire rest of the world is on board with this, yet Americans stand alone in denying it. What is the discrepancy? What stands out? What could it be...

the rest of the world and half of america just fell for the big hoax. the decades in the making conspiracy.

we have internet gaylords like mr. kynes who don't need no fancy climate science degrees and should be immediately consulted by those writing peer reviewed research papers on the subject.

they can give them a little insight into the subject that in no way mimics the cries of asshatdom from the aforementioned "news network" that you reference.

 

[Dr Kynes]

the rest of the world and half of america just fell for the big hoax. the decades in the making conspiracy.

we have internet gaylords like mr. kynes who don't need no fancy climate science degrees and should be immediately consulted by those writing peer reviewed research papers on the subject.

they can give them a little insight into the subject that in no way mimics the cries of asshatdom from the aforementioned "news network" that you reference.

i notice niether you nor the other global waarming cassandras are arguing against the sources provided way back here:

the numbers:

human sources of co2: 29 gigatonnes per annum on average in 2009.
"natural" sources: 750 gigatonnes per annum on average in 2009.

source: http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch7.html

and here:

this source claims global geological co2 emissions are around 200 Million tonnes, and human co2 production "from fossil fuels" was 28.6 Billion tonnes.
http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html

while this source claims 260 Million tonnes for geological sources per year, and 35 Billion tonnes from "human action"
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

and this source claims 440 Million tonnes from volcanic sources per year, and 35 Billion tonnes from fossil fuels.
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/06/scienceshot-volcano-co2-emission.html

meanwhile in egghead land,

this source claims , (and i quote cuz i dont have the maths to translate this to weights...)"The contribution of CO[SUB]2[/SUB] from Yellowstone to global volcanic CO[SUB]2[/SUB] emissions (∼6–7 × 10[SUP]12[/SUP] mol y[SUP]−1[/SUP]) is comparable to the CO[SUB]2[/SUB] contribution from other large volcanic systems like Popocatepetl, Mexico and the combined contribution from the Hawaii hot spot."
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2002GC000473/abstract
but THIS source claims that the GLOBAL cco2 emission from geological activity is "1.5 · 10[SUP]11[/SUP] moles CO[SUB]2[/SUB] yr[SUP]−1[/SUP] "
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02380495?LI=true

which would mean the first source claims that yellowstone by itself produces vastly more co2 every year than the other source claims for the entire planet.

unless im reading that totally wrong 6x10 to the twelfth power moles per annum just from yellowstone alone is fucktonnes more than 1.5x10 to the eleventh moles per annum for the entire earth.

so when the science is settled youll let me know right?

 

[UncleBuck]

yep, it's all just volcanoes.

all just a big hoax to get those lucrative (see: measly) research stipends.

thank you for informing us.

have you made sure that climate scientists are aware of the existence of these volcanoes you speak of?

better yet, do they know that multiculturalism is just a fun way of talking about making us the hitler youth? singular mindset and all? that might have an impact on their breeding patterns. they'll want to make sure to keep pure so that none of their superior european blood is tainted with the death mark of the polynesians.

 

[Dr Kynes]

yep, it's all just volcanoes.

all just a big hoax to get those lucrative (see: measly) research stipends.

thank you for informing us.

have you made sure that climate scientists are aware of the existence of these volcanoes you speak of?

better yet, do they know that multiculturalism is just a fun way of talking about making us the hitler youth? singular mindset and all? that might have an impact on their breeding patterns. they'll want to make sure to keep pure so that none of their superior european blood is tainted with the death mark of the polynesians.

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[Padawanbater2]

Keynes, why is climate change denial essentially exclusively American?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Keynes, why is climate change denial essentially exclusively American?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Keynes, why is climate change denial essentially exclusively American?

it's not.

you may pretend it is, but it is NOT.

or are you suggesting that all these guys are american?

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/un-signatories.html

Dec. 13, 2007

​

Dear Mr. Secretary-General,

Re: UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction
​

It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation.​

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC's conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.​

The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by government *representatives. The great majority of IPCC contributors and reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts.​

Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports:​

• Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability.​
• The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years.​
• Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today's computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling.​

In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is "settled," significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see IPCC Working Group Schedule) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated.​

The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the "precautionary principle" because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future.​

The current UN focus on "fighting climate change," as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme's Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.​

Yours faithfully,​

Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired vice-chancellor and president, University of Canberra, Australia​

William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000​

Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark​

Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand​

Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg​

Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany​

Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal​

Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.​

Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin​

Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta​

R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia​

Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa​

Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.​

Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand​

David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma​

Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.​

Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University​

Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia​

Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands​

Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University​

Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario​

David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of &#8216;Science Speak,' Australia​

William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame​

Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia​

R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa​

Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey​

Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany​

Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay​

Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden​

Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of &#8216;Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand​

William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project​

Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut​

Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia​

Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona​

Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA​

Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis​

Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland​

Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, NSW, Australia​

Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden​

Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia​

Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia​

David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand​

Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007​

William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands​

Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands​

Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands​

Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands​

The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.​

Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary​

David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware​

Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS​

Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand​

William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif.​

Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology​

A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors​

Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia​

Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia​

Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany​

John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand​

Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.​

Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph​

John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia​

Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand​

Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University​

Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University​

Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway​

Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia​

Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden​

Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic​

John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia​

David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa​

James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University​

Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia​

Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia​

R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University​

Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota​

Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia​

Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan​

Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences​

Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force​

R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology​

Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands​

Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C.​

Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway​

Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA​

S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service​

L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario​

Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville​

Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden​

Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute​

Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands​

Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC​

Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand​

Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia​

Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia​

Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany​

Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland​

David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia​

Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia​

A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy​

see i dont usually copy/paste but you ignored my previous comment regarding the international groundswell against climate othodoxy, so this should open your eyes a little if you bother to look.
​

 

[Padawanbater2]

it's not.

you may pretend it is, but it is NOT.

or are you suggesting that all these guys are american?

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/un-signatories.html

see i dont usually copy/paste but you ignored my previous comment regarding the international groundswell against climate othodoxy, so this should open your eyes a little if you bother to look.
​

​

Yes, it is..

While you can dig up a handful of names opposed to climate change (more than half of which aren't even directly involved in the science of climate change), the remaining 99% of climatologists agree with the accepted model. That is, hundreds of thousands of scientists.

But, to reiterate the point, science is not a democracy, so why should this list matter at all? ​

 

[Dr Kynes]

Yes, it is..

While you can dig up a handful of names opposed to climate change (more than half of which aren't even directly involved in the science of climate change), the remaining 99% of climatologists agree with the accepted model. That is, hundreds of thousands of scientists.

But, to reiterate the point, science is not a democracy, so why should this list matter at all?

1) science is not determined democratically, so even if everybody agrees, it may not be factual

2) everybody does not agreee

3) everybody who disagrees is not from a trailerpark in alabama, nor arte they in any way affiliated with fox news.

4) claiming consensus, then insisting when consensus fails that science is not democratic is very weasely.

5) if i have to prepare a list of all the various and sundry people who are qualified to disagree with "anthropogenic global climate change" why are you not obligated to do the opposite, or should i just assume all qualified climatologists agree we're fucked because Jay-Z has an escalade?

 

[echelon1k1]

Yes, it is..

While you can dig up a handful of names opposed to climate change (more than half of which aren't even directly involved in the science of climate change), the remaining 99% of climatologists agree with the accepted model. That is, hundreds of thousands of scientists.

But, to reiterate the point, science is not a democracy, so why should this list matter at all?

No it's not only limited to the US - But you're right, concensus is democracy not science.