Feminized Seed/Plant Pollinated

[joe blow greenthumb]

Well I was going to ignore this post but I'm here to learn and I realize that some also must be taught. My investigation led me to Ed rosenthal and he clearly states that a herm does pass on its tendency to herm. Look up "Ask Ed" and you will find why I see it this way. I'm definitely going to listen to Ed on this topic. He states that plants herm for one of 2 reasons;1 is stress and 2 is hereditary trait passed down. To the OP, when there is an arguement on a topic don't follow either persons advice. Find a reputable source, like Ed, and make your own call.

 

[Trousers]

Well I was going to ignore this post but I'm here to learn and I realize that some also must be taught.

My investigation led me to Ed rosenthal and he clearly states that a herm does pass on its tendency to herm.

I have not read that and it is not incorrect.
The problem is you still do not understand what a hermaphrodite is.

When you make feminized seeds`, you do not use a hermaphrodite.

You take a female plant, that means it has two X chromosomes. If you grew this plant out it would be a normal, female plant.
That is not a hermaphrodite, right?

Instead of growing that female plant out, you spray it with colloidal silver. The colloidal silver activates hormones that make the female plant produce male flowers. Using colloidal silver does not really stress the plant, it just makes it do what it is supposed to do when stressed.

That plant is still the same genetically as it was before it was sprayed.
It is not a hermaphrodite.

You can not alter dna or add genetics to a plant with colloidal silver or anything I know of.
You can say that the definition of a hermaphrodite is a plant that has both male and female flowers, but that would be an incomplete definition. A hermaphrodite has both an X and a Y chromosome. It is capable of producing male, female and mostly hermaphrodite plants.

Look up "Ask Ed" and you will find why I see it this way. I'm definitely going to listen to Ed on this topic. He states that plants herm for one of 2 reasons;1 is stress and 2 is hereditary trait passed down. To the OP, when there is an arguement on a topic don't follow either persons advice. Find a reputable source, like Ed, and make your own call.

I'll stick with the facts.
A female cannabis plant that "herms" due to stress is most likely not a real hermaphrodite.
Properly made feminized seeds are not made with hermaphrodites.

 

[Bear Country]

I will check it out...thanks. I have been dealing with a reputable breeder from Spain for years now....thier strains have been featured on High Times, Skunk Treating Yourself and Weed World. I posed the same question to them and thier answer lined up with what trouser has been saying....leaving me utterly F***** confused as to who is right. Thats why I posed the question on this thread...to see if anyone might have experience with the subject.

 

[joe blow greenthumb]

I see what hes saying. I just know what I've read but if he's learned differently then I'd like to see it so that I too can learn the truth. Please give us some links Trousers. I'm really interested in making sure my thoughts are in line with reality.

 

[Bear Country]

Yes Exactly...Thanks Again. I have grown and bred cannabis for years and when Fem's came out I just ignored them...now thats all I hear about. I used regular seed for all my breeding projects and my gardens but last year was the first time I grew out some Fem seeds. They grew fine other then at the start I noticed they took a while to get going compared to my strains from regular seed. I understant the method in which fem's are made and I am capable of making them myself but as I stated at the very begining of this post...I'm definitly old school but I notice that fem seed has taken over the market and regular seed is becoming less and less avail....If you notice Green House Seeds...Every dam strain that they sell is in Fem form and if there is a problem with breeding with fem seeds then what are us old school breeders gonna use to breed....Im only interested in making seed for my own use not for distribution.

 

[Bear Country]

A well pollinated plant will produce up to 2,3,even 4 thousand seeds. Thats allot of seed. Last year I just brushed a touch of pollin a a few branches of my regular strains because a friend of mine had grown out a male of OG KUSH and I wanted to cross it to a couple of my girls and in the process some pollin got away from me ( easy to let happen ) and fertilized my Fem plants in the process. The seeds are beauitiful, tiger striped, dark brown and huge and they are viable because I germinated 50 of them for shits and giggles just to check germination rates...50 out of 50 popped...I did nothing with them it was just a germination test and in breeding I'm used to using hundreds of seeds...obviously my breeding projects are on a much smaller scale then the proffessionals ...my point being that the average joe can breed to and have good results...I have made my own hybreeds for years of some of the best Ganga on the planet....thats what everyone should be doing!!!!!!! Fight the good Fight! Right??

 

[Bear Country]

But let me make one thing clear....If I am going to breed, I always make sure that I am using a strain/strains that has been worked with and stabalized and that any hermie tendancies are proven virtually none existant with those strains....the last thing any of us need to be doing is F****** up the gene pool of cannabis with Hermies. I have respect for the great plant!!!!

 

[joe blow greenthumb]

I grow feminized without herm issues. I've had seeds once and that was an intentional over flowering as trouser stated. I did however buy some regs on my last order just so that I can pollinate naturally.

 

[Nizza]

there may be no issues but i mean its better genetically i think to not use fem seeds because its something screwy. tga doesnt mess with fem and i think he must have a good reason why (subcool)

 

[Trousers]

But let me make one thing clear....If I am going to breed, I always make sure that I am using a strain/strains that has been worked with and stabalized and that any hermie tendancies are proven virtually none existant with those strains....the last thing any of us need to be doing is F****** up the gene pool of cannabis with Hermies. I have respect for the great plant!!!!

You can not hurt the gene pool, even if you wanted to. Cannabis is every where. You making some fem seeds can not do anything but get you some cool female plants. Rock on Captain.

there may be no issues but i mean its better genetically i think to not use fem seeds because its something screwy. tga doesnt mess with fem and i think he must have a good reason why (subcool)

If you breed with feminized seeds eventually your plants will start spontaneously combusting.
The seeds themselves could actually explode.

 

[Bear Country]

There are many many guys that wont buy fems but I feel like we need to educate ourselves as growers and lets face it ....its part of the seed market today and I dont see it going anywhere...Now when they came out with Fem Autos...that really bugged the shit out of me but after thinking about it...I mean I live in the high mountains at 8500 ft elevation....you realize how cold it is at that elevation even at the begining of June??? The season is very short...you have to be clever to grow up here. Short season Indica cultivars or hybreeds because we get frost as early as mid Sept. So for people who live in extreme climates with short growing seasons..a Femed Auto is prob a God sent....see my point? I like regular seed..I see the breeders going to fem to furthur try to control the seed market...in other words if you want seed...you have to buy them from us!!! Maybe Im just a paraniod old guy but I dont like that many seed companies only offer fem seed????? I wonder why? I want to always have the power to breed my own....I dont want to be a someones mercy to have to buy seed because the market is controlled by huge seed companies...catch my drift???

 

[Trousers]

I make my own feminized seeds and crosses. There is nothing stopping anyone from breeding using only females.
The seed companies get no money from me.