"The Science is settled", and other fairy tales

Dr Kynes

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naw just for those extra rank girls
i love the extra rank rides.

grab the rope, kick the flank and try to hold on for 8 seconds.

and if shit gets out of control, the clowns pour in from the corners so you can climb to safety.

hells yeah cowboy.
 

Dr Kynes

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lol.

social scientists. physicists.

you suck kynes.
also climatologists, geologists, meterologists, etc etc etc.

but no homeopathic practitioners, self taught "eco-warriors" or former senators who failed to win the whitehouse and then started selling carbon credits based on his own fearmongering..

looks like that list of academics is less burdened with morons, liars dolts fools and imbeciles than your own side.

does that mean we win?


no because it's not a fucking vote you fool.
 

Canna Sylvan

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a blindlink to bucky's own post of an opinion piece from "thinkprogress" which claims to be sourced from nasa.


dubbiouser and dubiouser.

but at least this link doesnt go to lastmeasure or meatspin.

are you finally growing up bucky?
Buck wishes his idol were this party.

 

Carthoris

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hey now bunny, dont get me wrong im grinding on a veggie burger right now
non-meat foods have their place and even some of the vegan food replacement products are kinda good.

yesterday i ate a slab of fried tofu on a ciabatta roll cuz im cooking for a cute vegan girl. i may have to sneak out and find some beef tonight cuz im getting the DT's but lets keep that between me and thee ok?

fuck i miss meat.
My favorite vegan food is borscht. Easy to find, not expensive, and tastes great. I tried to make it once, but the wife thought I finally snapped and murdered people as the kitchen was interesting. Who knew beets were that messy.
 

Carthoris

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You're like my grandfather. He thinks I'm 7th Day and that's the reason I converted, see, my wife grew up one. He has no idea I'm an atheist either. He was so concerned, he invited over a 7th Day buddy and he ate a steak in front of me so I'd know I wasn't cheating.
How do you feel about the new artificial meats that aren't from actual animals?
 

Carthoris

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Global warming exists. Man plays some part in it. The issue is how much and is it as bad as Al Gore says?

It is kind of hard to accept everything a group says when they base their entire calculations off of lies and charts that are intentionally manipulated.

Given that this is the regular information given and used to calculate how much the temperature has risen:


This chart plainly shows a huge increase in temperatures trending up.

This chart, which includes historic timeline and is prettier to boot shows the temperature going back further and tells a different story:



It makes you question why AGW proponents don't start the chart at 1300, 700, 200, 200BC, 1100BC, 1700BC, or 2400BC. The answer has nothing to do with mankind of civilization. The answer is because there is no clear cut answer when you do it that way and it doesn't proved their predetermined belief. While there is generally some idea of what you might find or are looking for, you wouldn't be looking otherwise, structuring the information to prove something that it doesn't or to exaggerate something is pretty dishonest.
 

RyanTheRhino

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why was 2010 among the hottest years ever despite solar irradiance being in a lull?

well ill have to read more about it then.

I just quickly read that news journal you posted & NASA said 2010 had the largest change in degrees not the hottest year. If you look at the rest of their data the earth is still warming up 0.3-0.5 c every year after 2010, which still corresponds with the current increases in sun spots.

2010 was an anomaly that had the largest increase in a while at 0.8 c, but you need more then one occurrence to prove a pattern.

Still, that is a pretty bad blow to the argument but it would have to happen again where the numbers diverge like that. One time could just be human experimental error.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
My favorite vegan food is borscht. Easy to find, not expensive, and tastes great. I tried to make it once, but the wife thought I finally snapped and murdered people as the kitchen was interesting. Who knew beets were that messy.
Did you beet your wife? cn
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
herp a derp.

the actual levels of co2 being released on average world wide by geysers, sinks, fumaroles, hot springs, volcanoes, black smoker volcanic vents etc is still not fully understood.

the estimates range from a few megatonnes to HUNDREDS of gigatonnes every year. and it is always changing.

as such you may CLAIM to be correct, but you cannot BE correct until you can tell me how much co2 is released by geological action in a given year, and compare that to the estimates of between 28 and 35 gigatonnes from human action.

the citation i offered first was from the IPCC, and you didnt want to touch that with a ten foot pole, so now youll simply declare it's non-sequitor because they didnt offer the breakdown you wanted.

they didnt offer a breakdown because the numbers would not add up. the numbers do NOT add up.

thats why india and russia withdrew in protest, because both countries sent data, and when the ipcc published, the data from russia and india had been "optimized" by orders of magnitude to make the numbers look scary.

but you dotn want to hear that. you want to gish gallop your way through a mountain of differing claims, and any attempt to refute one of the claims is taken as an admission that all the other claims MUST BE TRUE!

very much like dnaprotection and his "GMO Dope" conspiracy theory.

a thousand wild claims, and if i dont refute them all im working for the kocj brothers in a plot to steal your dope and touch your dick.
Please provide a quality link for the hundreds of Gt/a estimates. cn
 

st0wandgrow

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Humans impact the planet. To exactly what degree is unknown.

I don't necessarily support carbon taxes and other such gimmicks, but until we are crystal clear on this wouldn't it be well advised to err on the side of caution and kick the fossil fuel addiction?

Being good stewards of the planet should trump corporate profits.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Humans impact the planet. To exactly what degree is unknown.

I don't necessarily support carbon taxes and other such gimmicks, but until we are crystal clear on this wouldn't it be well advised to err on the side of caution and kick the fossil fuel addiction?

Being good stewards of the planet should trump corporate profits.
This is a clear case where "should" and "is" don't align.

As for kicking the fossil fuel addicxtion, we'll have to do this eventually, if only because we'd run out. I am shocked that the next energy technology (not wind/solar; I'm unconvinced that the current trechnologies can propagate themselves without the huge cheap cola-energy subsidy going into their manufacture) isn't being more aggressively pursued. cn
 

st0wandgrow

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This is a clear case where "should" and "is" don't align.

As for kicking the fossil fuel addicxtion, we'll have to do this eventually, if only because we'd run out. I am shocked that the next energy technology (not wind/solar; I'm unconvinced that the current trechnologies can propagate themselves without the huge cheap cola-energy subsidy going into their manufacture) isn't being more aggressively pursued. cn

"I am shocked that the next energy technology (not wind/solar; I'm unconvinced that the current trechnologies can propagate themselves without the huge cheap cola-energy subsidy going into their manufacture) isn't being more aggressively pursued."


I'm disappointed, but not shocked.

In order to be shocked, I'd have to believe that these "energy companies" that have billions of dollars in infrastructure already set up to suck every last drop of oil out of the planet are *not* in bed with our politicians.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus

"I am shocked that the next energy technology (not wind/solar; I'm unconvinced that the current trechnologies can propagate themselves without the huge cheap cola-energy subsidy going into their manufacture) isn't being more aggressively pursued."


I'm disappointed, but not shocked.

In order to be shocked, I'd have to believe that these "energy companies" that have billions of dollars in infrastructure already set up to suck every last drop of oil out of the planet are *not* in bed with our politicians.
But we're not the only national player. I am a bit surprised that Japan, Germany, France, Great Britain ... don't have more aggressive fusion power projects. All my life it's been "in twenty to thirty years". cn
 

Doer

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Well, if it was just a matter of throwing money.....I'm not up on the state of research. But, isn't there are big rock in road, about the neutron flux ablation? And has any self sustaining been achieved at a worthy scale?

And I don't see much persuit of hydrogen fueling. In fact they are intent on raising the CAFE standards to 56 mpg.

I think natural gas is answer for road transportation. Fusion power, I have no idea.
 
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