free pot--

Bigtacofarmer

Bigtacofarmer

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Ok, by himself it probably has little effect, positive or negative. So he should have gotten in touch with as many caregivers, dispensaries and even patients that want to participate. Now all that free food has a voice! It a says that people care, whether its about giving, medicating, or just flippin off the man! I imagine that a food drive or some other charity on that scale could not be ignored, or stopped!
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Cory and trevor said:
where do you get the idea its publicity? Timing? its not the first drive canna care has done.
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That's an important point, C&T. I did not know that these guys did the food drives on the regular. On the surface it looked like he did it in response to the SC ruling.

Thanks for cluing me in! :-)
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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LEO may be smarter than they look ,It appears that while they were keeping everyone focused on the underhanded things they were doing they were busy buying the SC votes .
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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As provisioning centers. By the state. I have talked to multiple dispensary owners that feel like the state has directed the municipalities to close the spots down, so they can make them apply for licenses before they open back up and the state can cash in on it. Why else would places like Ypsilanti and flint order spos to close, while also publically saying they haven't had any problems with them or complaints from the community? It's another money grab.
 
Corso312

Corso312

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Hmm like rado. Maybe. At first there was a 15 $licensing fee...after a couple years it shot up to 15 k.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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I was told 2 years ago that the lobbyists in MI are the same people that pushed the regulation through in Colorado. After touring a facility with hundreds of lights of flowering plants, a greenhouse, kitchen for edibles, extraction lab for concentrates and a dispensary for patients to get their medicine, I honestly wouldn't mind Michigan to be regulated like this. Remember Colorado is the only state the Feds aren't fucking with, and there are facilities with thousands of plants growing, all tracked by the state with bar codes.
 
buckaroo bonzai

buckaroo bonzai

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Corso312 said:
Regulated how?
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like this---up to 75% tax$....
.that's what tax and regulate will do for you....
and you will get a 1099 by the dispensary you sell to--so you have to claim your sales and grow and they can track it--

or if your not on their 'program' they will use "smart meters" to see when u turn the toaster on--:blsmoke:

[h=1]Marijuana dealers get slammed by taxes[/h]By Steve Hargreaves @CNNMoney February 25, 2013: 3:17 PM ET


Denver Relief, one of the largest marijuana dispensaries in Colorado, has an effective tax rate of around 50%, according to co-owner Kayvan Khalatbari.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
[h=2]Thanks to a decades-old law targeting drug runners, entrepreneurs in the nascent medical marijuana industry face a unique burden: an effective federal income tax rate that can soar as high as 75%.[/h]The hefty levy is the result of a 1982 provision to the tax code, known as 280E, that stemmed from a successful attempt by a convicted drug trafficker to claim his yacht, weapons and bribes as businesses expenses, according to 280E Reform, a group working to overturn the statute.
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Enacted in the wake of that PR debacle, the rule bars those selling illegal substances from deducting related expenses on their federal income taxes.
It may have been effective against cocaine dealers and smugglers of other hard drugs, but the law now means purveyors of medical marijuana in the 18 states that have legalized the drug can't can't take typical things like rent or payroll as a business expense. That's taking a heavy toll on this new field.
"I'd personally love to give my employees a raise," said Kayvan Khalatbari, co-owner ofDenver Relief, a medical marijuana center in its namesake city. "But because of the industry we're in, that's not always possible."
Related: Newest government job - expert pothead
Khalatbari said Denver Relief does just over $1 million a year in sales, and that not being able to take some standard business deductions costs him tens of thousands of dollars annually. He estimates his effective federal tax rate is about 50%.
For Denver Relief -- one of the largest marijuana dispensaries in Colorado, with a full-time staff of 15 -- the burden isn't killing the business. But for others, it's been lethal.
Jim Marty, an accountant in Colorado specializing in medicinal marijuana tax law, said he has one client that didn't turn a profit in 2009, 2010 or 2011. In 2012, though, she was handed a $300,000 tax bill from the IRS for those three proceeding years.
Entrepreneurs whose businesses are legal under state laws are getting hammered by outdated federal tax rules.
"If you have a license from the state hanging on your wall, that doesn't fit the definition of trafficking," Marty said. "Yet the IRS is aggressively auditing this industry."
He said he often sees clients facing effective tax bills of 65% to 75%. That compares to 15% to 30% for businesses in general.
The Internal Revenue Service did not respond to a request for comment. In a letter to a congressman in 2011, the agency said it was merely enforcing the law, and that Congress needs to change the law if it does not want medicinal marijuana dealers caught up in the provision.

Several groups are working on just that, though it's unclear if the law will be changed anytime soon. The Obama administration has so far not expressed much interest in weighing in on the matter.
Until then, those in the industry will keep looking for crafty ways to minimize their tax bill, and pay the tax man when they can't.
"An emerging industry that can provide hundreds of thousands of jobs is being held back by these crazy tax rates," said Betty Aldworth, deputy director of the National Cannabis Industry Association. "We're like any other small businesses, that just happens to be illegal in some states."
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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Aren't you one of the people saying fuck the dispensaries anyway? Why do you care if they get taxed out the ass by the Feds buck? These dispensaries out in Denver sell their meds to patients for max $200 an oz. the low end is $125. So the tax is not thrust onto the patients.
 
FatMarty

FatMarty

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I sorta 'grew up' over there.
Went to Slauson, Pioneer and Community before dropping out.
Lived on the West side mostly.
I bet we know each other - I was always a head.
Worked for Psychedelic Rangers at concerts, etc.
 
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vertigo0007

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Jesus fucking christ, take some fucking ritalin!


buckaroo bonzai said:




the only way you get respect is to give it--


"Aren't you one of the people saying fuck the dispensaries anyway?"..........:shock:

--------i am just an old guy:joint:-------what I say doesn't really matter......


"Why do 'you' care if they get taxed out the ass by the Feds buck?".........:shock:

--------where do you see that I care...?......or give a fuck 'RD mich'...if they tax dispensary owners......?...........

it won't effect my personal life-:joint:
I'm just ranting-if I get a +rep then I know my rant was ++received-if no rep...well...
.I might want a rebuttal- like now wen I feel dissed

if some folks feel that a tax and regulate at 75% is cool--that's good for them huh?
they can participate not me I don't need that

.....I don't have to agree-:blsmoke: or support..
---'free' sounds better-

....I definately ain't for any massive local zoningordinances/regulation bleeding out into the countryside tho...
affecting and .infringing on my rights that I voted for-to access of medicine
thats where my 'care' and concern starts-

restricting 'pharmers' gro rights-- and possibly regulating them----thru dispensary zoning/regulation in cities------
i don't agree with the concept
--but again don't matter wat I think-:blsmoke:


.whatever zoningordinances/regulation they wanna do in the big cities won't effect me 'today'.
......wat about tommorow?...


i am for 'boutique' erb--not industrial grows
small high quality batches of superior organically produced....
thats how i enjoy 'my' ---"medicine"---since 1971....:weed:
kinda like i enjoy wine-
i believe everyone should have access to the markets and access for individuals-completely
--especially sick folks!

---I'm sure I have been sniffing strains longer than you've been alive.....I'm prolly older than ur dad---
I've believed in the plant and access to it from the first time I touched it-
and I grew up around A2-have been in the culture from my yout-

the mass produced erbsome dispensaries create may be a science but it lacks body and vigor IMO ---
no legg--
--bleached out Polly-hybrids--jmo
and the organic medicinal effects are lacking compared with small organic boutique erb grown with lots of love/care-jmo-

---no offence or disrespect...

......but .....cuz couple posts back I said "this what you get from tax and regulate"....?......

--be Buddhist....
read it the way I posted.....
that --'is'---what you'll get-with 'tax' and regulation....and the article exposes this
---and the 1099 is true for CG vending

I am all for the canna care guy giving out his free love to the community!

i support his 'civil' disobedience!
and as David peel says free marijuana for everyone--that I believe

we should all be doing for free--helping terminal people!
practicing random acts of senseless kindness--with mmj


oh but that's illegal now to share/give it to each other for free isn't it...? wonder why? ....Dr bob?--

i am fore sure fucking pissed off that they are making pt-pt transfers illegal .....
intentionally...and I'll tell you feisty to feisty
but if .....
you have a club/dispensary that's ok---(??)...!!!?#%|!!\#%

I'm---fukin pissed yea!! and that looks wat their gona do-
fk yea....pissed about that...pt-pt "legal" only ------"thru" -------(?) dispensaries...?....dont smell good-

-----but we as patients "[can't]" share/give it to each other? for free...!!?? grrrrrr....:joint:

why this bill? ...so localities can track every 'transaction'...?..:shock:
like colorado? with cameras and "seed to sale"--?
they'll be watching you close if your supplying the seeds-:shock: b safe ..
1099 ...?...reporting all income from mmj?? who makes income from that shit?

--no thanksgiving here---for that bill

naw...not for me as a vote...but I should care less what happens...nor does wat I think matter:blsmoke:


probably get quite a few job offers tho if it does go over the top with this 'provision center' bill...
I know lots of folks here with $$looking to ca$h in "legally"...there lining up-

---my credentials are stellar--my resume' and references speak for themselves
I excell in large scale processing...and foreman
and I have been waiting till some real protection is passed before looking for a commercial/foreman job-

allthough thats not my absolute goal--it's 'pure' work and harder than carpentry to run a large grow with all it takes and the personalities connected to it--

it is a 'job' out there....and I have many years on my resume' including 25+yrs carpenter so it's a hobby now-
i don't 'depend' on erb for a living...just for my health...

I have a lot of experience and references in large commercial pharming--
organic stylee!
--food and erb-I love to gro---and i have been a vintner also--


im rainbow nation little brother.....
and it's always been 'legal' from where I come from--in the 'nation'---still is if you r on the road
im green thru and thru...come gather this year in Montana with the tribes and see

.....I'm glad that you support a Colorado dispensary system---you ever work at one....?.......LOLOL
they pay you like minimum wage--and give you lots of shit....hahahahahahah kiss-ass

'bush-wigglers'- they sometimes refer to worker bees--
very expendable as every kid from Kansas to timbuck too wants to work in a pot factory and are lined up! lol for free --and everyone is an 'expert'...lol

and if they only get 139$oz how much you think they can afford to pay the bush wigglers ? --not much$-
good for consumers that don't mind paying...bad for workers that find the true disillusionment thru working at these places..

but I guess if they do regulate here then your seeds you rep will be 'legal' again--huh?
good damage control for u--tryna make me look bad and make the bill seem ok-
I see thru -NP-just awake here on this side of the screen-
"reasoning" w u here if u foreal rasta-- or u a fashion dread??

doubt you will lose any RD groupies here tho--even I have grown their gear-
so I don't see it effect your seed business one way or other
but if it goes thru you will double your sales and target market-$$
good for you and the RD tribe!

i support Farmers market model as the best way to keep 'us' in control--
or collective or co-op model based on a California type format....
with members in control and benefiting the most...not a few at the top-


--a distribution where you have sales tax and local regulation that doesn't effect the whole-
like we're gona see happen here

rescheduling?.....that's a pipe dream
until federal rescheduling of cannabis ..
which would reschedule it back into the common folks hands.....
which will never happen ....IMO
forget it they will regulate it out of our hands and suck every last $$ they can from us while doing it---jmo
and then no-one will be able to give it away 'free'---like allready happening...:wall:

i worked 40-60 light 'legal' grows .....west-
have been in the 100+ ones--
I was a 'ranch foreman' ......or giant industrial building worker......just a worker bee out west
u give me your keys and go to Thailand and I take care of the whole chingadeira-for u

it won't hurt me saying that here I try and obey the law....not brake it
laws are different in every state-
i do none of that here in mich--not even close to it--

read disclaimer-

--for 12+years I was a foreman out there--
on legal medical grows...and union carpenter in between...
I have built 100+rooms and worked plow farmed 'legal' organic grows-

I have been in the first clubs.....when they 'first' came 'online'...
for the aids patients--
remember...?....of course not
i am a 'crew' leader/foreman......I hire 6-8-15+ dreadies to work a grow when I roll....
....and I fire them too--
you either like me or not....doesn't matter wen work to be done-

I'm Buddhist I have compassion for others but don't really care- wat anyone thinks of me-
-I can tell within an hr of working with someone if they are a worker bee or wiz kid natural...or not cut out

now my old greylocks are cut and I look like your dad-

u got to 'tour' a couple (1) big Colorado industrial grows and go to a cannabis cup in LA and now u gonna dis me cuz I don't believe in their 'system'.....pffft!!
I was at some of the first underground cups...before anyone knew what a cup was--

I believe in the old skool where it came from-
-it is not only a sacrament and a medicine given to us by The Most High Creator--
but for me part of my life/health and my beliefs--

BOOMBA RAS!!
-keep it real little brother....respect!


I ain't screaming "free the weed" .....but I'm sayin weed should be "free" if you need it--:peace::joint:

not access thru high $$clubs that hide behind patient safe access as there justification---

but I ain't gona stop wats comin....no way--you will see

"the more we burn the erb...the more Babylon fall"........bob-













now I'm gonna go walk my dog with a phattie in the moonshine-:joint:
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buckaroo bonzai

buckaroo bonzai

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FatMarty said:
I sorta 'grew up' over there.
Went to Slauson, Pioneer and Community before dropping out.
Lived on the West side mostly.
I bet we know each other - I was always a head.
Worked for Psychedelic Rangers at concerts, etc.
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psychedelic rangers--Ann arbor free concerts.....the concerts at pioneer
ann arbor blues and jazz-festiv
----I think I've seen you around.....your a big phat purple guy--:joint:
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Rare D MI said:
I was told 2 years ago that the lobbyists in MI are the same people that pushed the regulation through in Colorado. After touring a facility with hundreds of lights of flowering plants, a greenhouse, kitchen for edibles, extraction lab for concentrates and a dispensary for patients to get their medicine, I honestly wouldn't mind Michigan to be regulated like this. Remember Colorado is the only state the Feds aren't fucking with, and there are facilities with thousands of plants growing, all tracked by the state with bar codes.
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"I honestly wouldn't mind Michigan to be regulated like this."

I would mind. A lot.

This law was passed to allow caregivers and patients to posses, grow, and distribute their meds. There never was any language in the bill about dispensaries. People that are apparently smoking some good weed dreamed up some imaginary "grey areas" and used that as justification to set up shop. The last fucking thing I want is MORE government interference. Fees, cameras in grows, inspections, more regulation, taxes, etc is not something I support. If this law gets hijacked by big business interests (dispensaries) and infringes upon my rights as a patient and caregiver then I am going to be pissed. Farmers markets seem like the best compromise. They are controlled by patients and caregivers, the prices are very reasonable for patients in need, and it allows a distribution model for people that want to make some money in the process.

I will be OK with the dispensary thing getting sorted out and legalized as long as it doesn't fuck with my rights that 63% of voters gave me. BUT, can you name me one positive thing that dispensaries bring to the table that a farmers market/compassion club model couldn't address (aside from lining the pockets of a handful of people)?
 
Cory and trevor

Cory and trevor

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it's a store. farm markets are factory outlets. I prefer a store for both purchase as a patient and sale as a distributor. I give 25+ hours a week to growing, I don't want to also give up 12 hours of my weekend with the kids and wife at a market. its my opinion. mom and pop stores exist for everything still and so does walmart without much issue. I wouldn't even begin to regulate your grow with these laws, I don't want that either. I like budweiser, and I prefer Bell's but I also brew at home. bud uses tons of $ to keep Bell's interests and their own in political minds and I brew beer at home without regulation. This is how I would like to see marijuana with those choices for consumers. big guys like BUD little guys like Bell's and other micro-brews and room for the home brewer to do his thing.
 
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