Barneys Farm LSD - Day 24 Veg Wilting

[achaser87]

Hey guys. Ive been doing some research because the last couple days, 2-3 hours before my dark period (18/6) my plant starts wilting. Usually it picks back up by the morning.

I heard they are trained to the lighting schedual after a while and at nighttime the roots grow so they wilt.

But this is my girl on day 24, still wilting


Lighting: 184w CFL, 4 6500k, 4 5000k
Temps: 26-28C/78-82F
Humidity: 50-60% RH
Medium: Botanicare Cocogro with perlite
Pot: 1.5 Gallon since day 15. (Currently day 24)
pH: Runoff - 5.5
Water - 6.7-7

Note: 3 days after transplating out of 18oz solo cup into this 1.5 gal pot, i noticed a huge root atleast 4inches grown through middle drainhole. My guess was time to transplant.

What she looked like yesterday:

 

[Slipon]

fist let me ge this strait, your growing in coco/perlite ? with a PH of 6,7-7 ? even in soil you should aim for 6,5 and in coco its more like 5,8

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but good call about the transplanting, what do you feed her ? and do you add some Ca/Mg ? I know my LSD from Barneys was a food/Mg lover ..

what will you flower her under ?


here is a few pics of mine from last year




grown under T5HOs/600W HPS


p.s.
if you think one of the girls look different its Bc. I grew one Kush and 3 LSD, the LSD is way more dense and had way more thricomes showing, and was way better smoke, be carefull to much and its G-night

 

[achaser87]

I'm using MG 24-8-12 at 1/2 strength. I'm new to coco. what should the ph of the water going in and out be? I haven't added cal/MG but can get some. I transplanted a week ago, does it need to be done again? I can't figure out why it's wilting like this!

 

[Slipon]

if you grow in strait coco or a coco/perlite mix your actually growing in "hydro" basically and need to PH your water after adding nuts to around 5,8 (I like to keep it between 5,5 and 6,2 and higher in flowering then in Veg) and in coco it is also adviceble to add some kind of Ca/Mg product or if you like some Epsom salt as a minimum (1/4 ts. per gallon of water every time)

the nuts you use now is ok I suppose (many Ppl. don't like MG product ? I dunno Im from EU and we don't have em around) but once your a week or two in to flowering (12/12) you will need some with way less Nitrogen (fist number =24) need to have more like 2-6-6 or similar

wittiling is often Bc. of lack of Ca/Mg in my experience, both secondary nutrients the plant need beside NPK, to build its cells and to make it able to absorb the NPK basically (do some research/goggling on nutrients)

 

[achaser87]

if you grow in strait coco or a coco/perlite mix your actually growing in "hydro" basically and need to PH your water after adding nuts to around 5,8 (I like to keep it between 5,5 and 6,2 and higher in flowering then in Veg) and in coco it is also adviceble to add some kind of Ca/Mg product or if you like some Epsom salt as a minimum (1/4 ts. per gallon of water every time)

the nuts you use now is ok I suppose (many Ppl. don't like MG product ? I dunno Im from EU and we don't have em around) but once your a week or two in to flowering (12/12) you will need some with way less Nitrogen (fist number =24) need to have more like 2-6-6 or similar

wittiling is often Bc. of lack of Ca/Mg in my experience, both secondary nutrients the plant need beside NPK, to build its cells and to make it able to absorb the NPK basically (do some research/goggling on nutrients)

Thanks man I appreciate all your input. I def will look that up. Ill go to the hydro store this weekend for some ph up/down and cal mg. So just to double check, ph my water after adding nutes to about 5.8? You say you like it around 5.5-6, that's ok too?
I didn't think it was a ph issue because the runoff was 5.5ish. WHat should the runoff be?

 

[Slipon]

get your PH down, you might want to do a light flush = mix a big water can/or a few big soda bottles and PH it to 5,8 and water till you see run off, then continue a bit so you have a good amount of run off, use about 3 gallon of water to 1,5 gallon pot, coco is easy to correct, if you have Epsom salt around or can get it or a bottle of Ca/Mg I would and at the same time look in to some nuts for flowering (with high amount of P and some K) and I would maybe also look at a 3-5 gallon pot to use a week before 12/12 to give em room

do you have a HPS for flowering ? if not I would as a minimum add some 2700K warm white to them CFLs you already have, plants need more of a red/yellow spectrum doing flowering = lower Kelvin color (2000-3000K) and about 3x the amount of light, need to think about grow technic/training method`s and keeping them close the the lights if you plan on flowering with Fluorescent light, Buds need to be 2-6 inch`s from the bulb/tubes

 

[achaser87]

thanks man! going to the store tonight for cal/mg ph up/down and some flowering nutes and maybe some new veg lol. i totally never realized coco is basically hydro. was treating it more like soil.

unfortunatly no HPS but I've got 8 23w 2700k bulbs and gunna added a couple 6500/5000 for a mixed spectrum. got em 2 inches away. I'm gunna be vegging another 2 weeks

 

[Slipon]

Thanks man I appreciate all your input. I def will look that up. Ill go to the hydro store this weekend for some ph up/down and cal mg. So just to double check, ph my water after adding nutes to about 5.8? You say you like it around 5.5-6, that's ok too?
I didn't think it was a ph issue because the runoff was 5.5ish. WHat should the runoff be?

dont think to much about Run of, nutrients fuck that up, think about what is going in, and yes if your PH pen (I would for sure use the +40$ on one when you grow in coco/hydro) show between 5,5 and 6,2 your good, I like to get closer to 6,2 in flowering and keep it below 6 in Veg. but 7ish is atlest way to high even in soil it would be in the high end

dont think you will need PH up, just a bottle of PH down or the powder kind is also ok, if your tap waters is about 7, and a bottle of Ca/Mg+ would for sure be a good investment

if it was me with that plant in coco, I would maybe consider a bottle of GH floranova



and skip the MG now your going to the hydro store anyway, but its of course a question of cash as well, but wort the money if you ask me, one bottle all grow, with good results specially in coco with the Lucas Formula

http://lucasformula.com


so yea some PH down some Ca/MG+ a PH pen/test kit and maybe the flora nova would be the stuff I would look for, that and 3 gallon pot and a brick of coco for the repot before flowering

 

[achaser87]

Right now I've got the General Hydroponics pH indicator (liquid dropper), was only 13$ he didn't have any digital ph testers.def will look into some good nutes. I've got a 3.75 gal pot waiting for her aswell as the 5kg brick of coco for the transplant just waiting for the perfect time, don't want it root bound in that 1.5 gal.


just out of curiousity, why the slightly higher ph in flowering?

 

[Slipon]

thanks man! going to the store tonight for cal/mg ph up/down and some flowering nutes and maybe some new veg lol. i totally never realized coco is basically hydro. was treating it more like soil.

unfortunatly no HPS but I've got 8 23w 2700k bulbs and gunna added a couple 6500/5000 for a mixed spectrum. got em 2 inches away. I'm gunna be vegging another 2 weeks

yes coco is a "soilless" medium and should be treated accordingly, and don't worry about the HPS (you can always upgrade ) just remember to keep em close, my light meter show they provide twice as much light at 2-4" then at 8-10" and after 12" I don't even get a reading, only real down side of fluorescent, so need to be creative, I like LST and/or maybe topping or FIM agin do some research, here is a nice little "guide" I often used in the start:

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/frequently-asked-questions/83112-how-grow-cannabis-everything-you-need-know.html


can answer many basic questions ..

 

[Slipon]

Right now I've got the General Hydroponics pH indicator (liquid dropper), was only 13$ he didn't have any digital ph testers.def will look into some good nutes. I've got a 3.75 gal pot waiting for her aswell as the 5kg brick of coco for the transplant just waiting for the perfect time, don't want it root bound in that 1.5 gal.


just out of curiousity, why the slightly higher ph in flowering?

good, I use the drop test as well, just try to be precise (need to be light yellow ) but if you want to continue to grow in coco I would consider to invest them 40-100$ on a nice PH tester maybe also one that can test EC as well (PPM = parts per million of nutrins)

I like to make the repot a week before I begin 12/12 and I also like to do most training before that, so the plant is`t put under any stress and have time to adapt before I make the switch, I aim for a healthy looking and lush dark green growing plant to put in to flowering for maximum yield

the higher PH in flowering is the fact that the nutrients weed mostly need/use (P) in flowering is more easy for it to get with the slightly higher PH (take a look at the charts I posted) don't let it drop under 5,8

 

[achaser87]

good, I use the drop test as well, just try to be precise (need to be light yellow ) but if you want to continue to grow in coco I would consider to invest them 40-100$ on a nice PH tester maybe also one that can test EC as well (PPM = parts per million of nutrins)

I like to make the repot a week before I begin 12/12 and I also like to do most training before that, so the plant is`t put under any stress and have time to adapt before I make the switch, I aim for a healthy looking and lush dark green growing plant to put in to flowering for maximum yield

the higher PH in flowering is the fact that the nutrients weed mostly need/use (P) in flowering is more easy for it to get with the slightly higher PH (take a look at the charts I posted) don't let it drop under 5,8

Hey man, so a few hours ago i got home from the hydro store, i bought the General Organics Line. Including Cal/Mg+. Added with a light flush, little improvment, but still wilting!

thats now. Pics you saw were from 6:30AM EST time. Also i decided to top her lol. Any ideas why shes not fixing? Should I stop looking any wait til tomorrow?

 

[viper2020cobra]

it takes a few days sometimes for plants to recover its not instant especially if things were out of wack. and you should wait to top her or flower her or do anything really untill you get everything going again and solve the wilting problem

 

[achaser87]

thanks. I added cal/mg+, bio thrive, bio root, bio weed and bio marine at 1/2 dose. things look to be drooping more again after picking up. What could this be?

 

[SSHZ]

1. pH of 5.8-6.0 always going in after mixing fertilizer and amendments. This is a must. Get a good device to measure properly.

2. Miracle Grow blows. Stop using it. It is not a complete fertilizer and deficiencies will happen eventually. Buy a hydroponic fertilizer, assuring a "complete" fertilizer.

3. Any watering will droop a plant. Water early in the day, not late. LET IT DRY OUT WELL (top 2-3 inches) before watering again.

4. Cal/mag is definitely necessary. 5ml per gallon always. Up to 10ml per gallon if using r.o. water

5. You need to flush with plain water. Your pH coming out is lower then going in, meaning there is a fertilizer buildup in the medium (fertilizer is acidic).

6. You have a small plant. Go easy on any fertilizing until it gets bigger.

 

[Slipon]

agree, take it easy on here, when you do the flush do it slow and carefully, and then let here recover and dry out a bit..

topped now ? wile you try to get her to bounce back ? is not the best idea, let her recover and get back to looking healthy before you do anything els, for now just wait and let her do her thing, it will probably take a week for her to recover and start the grow agin after a topping and PH correction ..

and please be carfull with the nuts, its no wonder cure, less is more ..

 

[achaser87]

1. pH of 5.8-6.0 always going in after mixing fertilizer and amendments. This is a must. Get a good device to measure properly.

2. Miracle Grow blows. Stop using it. It is not a complete fertilizer and deficiencies will happen eventually. Buy a hydroponic fertilizer, assuring a "complete" fertilizer.

3. Any watering will droop a plant. Water early in the day, not late. LET IT DRY OUT WELL (top 2-3 inches) before watering again.

4. Cal/mag is definitely necessary. 5ml per gallon always. Up to 10ml per gallon if using r.o. water

5. You need to flush with plain water. Your pH coming is lower then going in, meaning there is a fertilizer buildup in the medium (fertilizer is acidic).

6. You have a small plant. Go easy on any fertilizing until it gets bigger.

Sorry what is r.o water?

 

[Slipon]

here you can read about it (remember google is a great tool )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis

just go easy on her, she still look nice and healthy when given a few days to recover and get the PH balanced agin (even coco can take a flush and a few watering to get back on track)

 

[SSHZ]

R.O. stands for reverse osmosis which is a series of filters, hooked up to a faucet normally which removes most if not all of the impurities. But, since it removes all of the calcium and magnesium, you have to add extra of those to make up for the loss......

 

[achaser87]

R.O. stand for reverse osmosis which is a series of filters, hooked up to a faucet normally which removes most if not all of the impurities. But, since it removes all of the calcium and magnesium, you have to add extra of those to make up for the loss......

should I flush now then add the nutes with proper ph or wait a day or 2?