Opiates

[Bear Country]

First off I apologize to those offended by this kinda
thread being a newb. I have actually returned but
starting anew.. And I'm not interested in anyone's
personal info just advise! I have an incredibly bad
"H" habit and am moving to Denver where only blk tar
is available. We only have colombian(most call china wht)
and is snortable.. I've lost most of my sight and cannot
fire "at will", and last time I tried getting well ssmoking
that tar it was a disaster.. Thru family/friends deal in it here
and I have a habit with this kind (so much stronger) and
my last trip to SF I just couldn't get well with blk tar..
it was an absolute nightmare! I realize its best to jjust
bite the bullet and kick! But anyone know if its possible
to freeze or dryout tar then snort w/cut or easy way oof smoking?

You didn't offend me...However the jackass that made that post about moving to Colorado did.
I dont know where your at with this thing at the moment but....I have worked with some people that struggle with this.....Of cousre Kicking it is the only true solution....But you know how hard that is or we would not be having this discussion. Soboxin.....have you looked into that? That is much better then the alternative of Methadone...as you know methadone is highly addictive itself......You would have to withdraw fully before you could get on Suboxon but with suboxin.....on a program you would have the time you need to get clean and make that break away from it.....and please know that there are people who do give a dam and care about people just like you. Good luck to you and Peace!

 

[Bear Country]

I love people like you. Talk shit on the internet knowing you have an insulator between you and the people you talk shit to. I would love to see you come to the neighborhood I am from and talk that shit. We would see whos weak then.

Some People.....you know they have a brain...problem is...its shoved so far up thier ass that the only thing they can spew outa thier mouth is SHIT!

 

[rory420420]

Never thought about it but I bet the best way is putting it in your rear..idk tho..I'm neither a proctologist or chemist...

 

[MrEDuck]

Never thought about it but I bet the best way is putting it in your rear..idk tho..I'm neither a proctologist or chemist...

I am a chemist and plugging is pretty awesome. The bioavailability is generally higher than anything but injection and its much safer. It also has a better duration than IV and even gives you a bit of a rush.

I also would suggest considering maintainence. I'd try bupe first because it's easier to get off and has less side effects than done. Not to me tion that you don't have to get to a clinic everyday for months before they give you a single take home.

 

[woody333333]

In Chicago its mainly powder heroin but there is tar. If you have ever bought "raw" heroin in chicago that is brown but has little black specs in it then that was tar that was made into pwder form. I actually bought 17.5 grams of it about a month ago....it was shit in my opinion. I like my dope white or slightly off white(tan or gray). But anyways here's a answer for your question: tar + quinine + lactose + diphenhydramine(DPH) = powder. Of course I cant tell you exactly how much to put of each cause the quality of the dope decides that factor for ya. Also you don't need to add all the stuff I mentioned you could just add the tar and one of the powders I mentioned and be just fine. But if you snort it then snorting a lot of DPH is going to burn like hell. Like I said I normally always get white-to off white heroin in solid rock form. I mix 5 grams of it at a time and for 5g I put 72 Dormin sleeping pills(DPH main ingredient) which has a total weight of 18g, 4g of quinine, and 10 xanax(2mg.) bars, which weigh about 3g total. So on 5grams of Chicago "raw" heroin I can put a total of about 25 grams of cut on it....and the customer's like it. The only reason I bring that up though is cause there is also chicago "raw" heroin that you can't even put 7 dormin pills on it or it will be too weak. So it goes the same with tar. Once you find out how good/pure it is then you can start adjusting the amount of adulterant you want/need to use. I'm not sure if anything I just typed helps you out at all, but I'm bored and I figured what the hell I might as well type something.

sounds like u sell garbage......... i buy raw its a brown rock cooks up black

 

[august west]

its easier to just go from H to suboxone or subutex rather than to go from methadone to sub, however methadone is the answer for some of us, but i am a rambler and need my freedom, suboxone you have your script and you go where you want, with the done it takes months just to get a few take home doses , and the Ws are worse for methadone than heroin or last longer. i have taken suboxone like 12 hrs after a shot of H and it simply made me normal again. I had to W/d for five days before the suboxone started making me feel better coming off methadone, however most all docs make u taper down to around 30mg of done before switching to sub but i have a plane to catch so i went with the fast but painful route to switching meds

 

[curious2garden]

Barring that, i would recommend coming all the way clean. Kicking methadone was harder for/on me than kicking the shorter actors. cn

Yes I would recommend that too, ultimately, but not in this specific instance. Making a major move associated with attempting to kick Heroin simply won't work and I know you know that Even if the OP was game to try he'd most likely fail. Kicking H is hard enough with that alone to focus on but kicking H AND making a 1000 mile move is going to fail for almost everyone.

 

[cannabineer]

Yes I would recommend that too, ultimately, but not in this specific instance. Making a major move associated with attempting to kick Heroin simply won't work and I know you know that Even if the OP was game to try he'd most likely fail. Kicking H is hard enough with that alone to focus on but kicking H AND making a 1000 mile move is going to fail for almost everyone.

I rather like the Duck's Suboxone advice in this instance ... less of a fight to get clean compared to methadone. What is your opinion on that? cn

 

[Indagrow]

Subs are pretty shitty IMO better than done but I just had to stop taking subs wish I never started it feels like youre doing better but you're just replacing addictions

 

[aknight3]

I'm ignorant? Deal with your personal problems like a big boy. You're right though, junkies are human beings. They are just the weaker ones. Survival of the fittest though. While you're busy passing down your shitty genetics because you can't stay clean, the rest of us will be using you and your kin as laborers and actually making something of ourselves. Yes, I understand that it is hard to kick drugs but it all comes down to choice.

this is a negative way to look at things, its okay that you dont understand, its not easy to just walk away, and if you think it is, you shouldnt be talking about it, because you really dont know. its okay, i used to be just like you, unfortunatley now, i finally understand, good luck

 

[cannabineer]

Subs are pretty shitty IMO better than done but I just had to stop taking subs wish I never started it feels like youre doing better but you're just replacing addictions

I've never taken Suboxone, but i have been on methadone ... and i can say that for methadone. If I had it to do over again, I'd have chosen suboxone on the idea that it'll clear the body faster when time comes for that very last dose. Jmo. cn

 

[aknight3]

Subs are pretty shitty IMO better than done but I just had to stop taking subs wish I never started it feels like youre doing better but you're just replacing addictions

the reason i like bupe is because while you are just replacing addictions, the bupe isnt getting you nod out fucked up, you have some time to leatrn how to be ''normal'' again without drugs, then you can slowly wean off without much w/d...methadone is in general a no-no.

 

[MrEDuck]

I would try bupe first. Kicking done is a long drawn out shitty experience from what I've seen. You can have six weeks of awful or 18 months of feeling off. Bupe wasn't bad at all. It's longer than short acting opioids but much less intense.
Edit: I forgot to add that there is evidence that while on bupe the endogenous opioid system gets repaired slowly if you're on a low dose.

 

[2cimdma]

sounds like u sell garbage......... i buy raw its a brown rock cooks up black

You know what I agree with you, it does sound like I sell garbage. But what can I say I get good starting material that can take that much cut and still be good. But I'm not going to get into the whole "no my drugs are better than your drugs" argument, I'm sure the person who started this thread didn't start it for that purpose. The only reason I mentioned what I can/do put on my dope is to make my point that if he wanted to go my route and make it into powder that he will need to get an idea on how strong his H is and how much cut it can take. Not all heroin is created equal...or by the same route of synthesis hence tar, powder, etc. But if you look up the definition of heroin you will see that its a white crystalline powder in its HCl salt form and a matte-white powder in it's freebase form. So I could say it sounds like you get garbage since you get brown powder. But that isn't necessarily true. Just because the brown powder was made brown either by different adulterants or by not using activated charcoal(or enough of it) during the purification process, or by some other impurity doesn't mean its garbage. It could still be purer than white H. But who's to say. Idk...once again just bored and I figured I'd type something.

Sorry to the creator of this thread for going off subject with this post.

 

[smellzlikeskunkyum]

I rather like the Duck's Suboxone advice in this instance ... less of a fight to get clean compared to methadone. What is your opinion on that? cn

Subs are rediculously hard to get off of. they arent hard to manipulate for IV either. they seem to work for some people tho i suppose.

IMO dr's need to take better care of people when they are trying to taper/kick the bupe. if the person is serious, and stable enough... u can use a weak full agonist to ease the wd pain. only if needed, and for as short as possible. it helped me out a lot doing that.

 

[cannabineer]

Subs are rediculously hard to get off of. they arent hard to manipulate for IV either. they seem to work for some people tho i suppose.

IMO dr's need to take better care of people when they are trying to taper/kick the bupe. if the person is serious, and stable enough... u can use a weak full agonist to ease the wd pain. only if needed, and for as short as possible. it helped me out a lot doing that.

Codeine perhaps? cn

 

[smellzlikeskunkyum]

You know what I agree with you, it does sound like I sell garbage. But what can I say I get good starting material that can take that much cut and still be good. But I'm not going to get into the whole "no my drugs are better than your drugs" argument, I'm sure the person who started this thread didn't start it for that purpose. The only reason I mentioned what I can/do put on my dope is to make my point that if he wanted to go my route and make it into powder that he will need to get an idea on how strong his H is and how much cut it can take. Not all heroin is created equal...or by the same route of synthesis hence tar, powder, etc. But if you look up the definition of heroin you will see that its a white crystalline powder in its HCl salt form and a matte-white powder in it's freebase form. So I could say it sounds like you get garbage since you get brown powder. But that isn't necessarily true. Just because the brown powder was made brown either by different adulterants or by not using activated charcoal(or enough of it) during the purification process, or by some other impurity doesn't mean its garbage. It could still be purer than white H. But who's to say. Idk...once again just bored and I figured I'd type something.

Sorry to the creator of this thread for going off subject with this post.

i noticed u said u add xanax. im pretty sure thats not good. like im pretty dang sure xanax pills cant be IV'd , not everyone wastes away the dope by snorting smoking or plugging if it were the glucose solution that can be IV. those xanax could be hurting people

OP needs to find a maintenence program or c/t somehow. why just move to another place and continue to suffer the addiction? if it were me id make it a new beginning, and try to stay H free.
I personally would take subs for no more than a month or two as well. after that its harder to come off of it imo. 2/3 weeks of subs with proper care can be helpful. alot of rehab centers around here wont keep people on bupe more than 2-3 weeks anymore. its because of the incredible long half-life and how it builds up in your system.

i cant really say much about methadone from experience, but it would seem to me that it would also be very hard to get off of as well. plus bupe has a big advantage over methadone because it blocks the euphoria of other opiates. thats why when going thru a bupe taper and kick u can sometimes effectively use a weak full agonist to ease the w/d for a couple weeks.
its very much so about making the decision weither to quit or not. although the addiction is physical you have to be in the right state of mind to be able to quit.

 

[smellzlikeskunkyum]

Codeine perhaps? cn

yes very good choice, i was able to use hydrocodone. only half a 7.5 at a time kind of thing. tramadol has other risks or id say that.

EDIT: i wouldnt go higher on the chain, like no morphine or oxycodone. certainly no H. etc.

but yeah i was seriously on the edge of sanity going thru bupe w/d the last time. never would have geussed it could be THAT bad. the hydrocodone was a huge help. i really didnt have a hard time quitting the hydro after about 3 weeks of 10-15 mg a day tops. mainly because the remaining bupe in my system helped block the euphoria of the full agonist anyways.

 

[smellzlikeskunkyum]

we all seem to agree buprenorphine/suboxone over methadone.
just dont let the dr force you to take more than you need. most people shouldnt need more than 8-16 mg tops. and lots of people get put on 24-32 mg which is crazy imo. and dont take it for a long time if u dont want to. you dont have to take it for a year or more just becuase your dr says so. it all depends on your life, and your mentality towards wanting to quit.
sometimes an extended stretch of opiate maintence can help u straighten out your life, so that when your ready you dont have to deal with an entire lifetimes worth of crazyness while trying to go c/t. but if u can just quit c/t, do it.
im really against the OP going to CO and getting more dope. its his choice tho! sry for going on and on. i just hoped i could help a bit.

 

[Bear Country]

i noticed u said u add xanax. im pretty sure thats not good. like im pretty dang sure xanax pills cant be IV'd , not everyone wastes away the dope by snorting smoking or plugging if it were the glucose solution that can be IV. those xanax could be hurting people

OP needs to find a maintenence program or c/t somehow. why just move to another place and continue to suffer the addiction? if it were me id make it a new beginning, and try to stay H free.
I personally would take subs for no more than a month or two as well. after that its harder to come off of it imo. 2/3 weeks of subs with proper care can be helpful. alot of rehab centers around here wont keep people on bupe more than 2-3 weeks anymore. its because of the incredible long half-life and how it builds up in your system.

i cant really say much about methadone from experience, but it would seem to me that it would also be very hard to get off of as well. plus bupe has a big advantage over methadone because it blocks the euphoria of other opiates. thats why when going thru a bupe taper and kick u can sometimes effectively use a weak full agonist to ease the w/d for a couple weeks.
its very much so about making the decision weither to quit or not. although the addiction is physical you have to be in the right state of mind to be able to quit.

Good commentary..SLSY....I agree with you on all points. Xanax....just forget about that one....thats no good period. But your last comment......addiction is physical....yes it is but by the time you are at that point it has also become mental.....because once the person is done with withdrawls.....its getting the opiet monster out of your head.....the thinking about it over and over and over ....so state of mind will begin to stabalize as time goes by and the person remains clean.......I know people who just said fuck it I'm done.....did it the painful way and got busy moving on with life and others who just cant beat it......a support system is good.....I think suboxon is the best way to go ...honestly.....your receptors in the brain are only getting a very small amount of opiet....just enough to trick it into thinking...I got what I need....with no effect ( HIGH ) your dosage is decreased usually over a period of a year....In one years time you can get your bearings straight and have that " right state of mine " that is needed to move forward!