Questions as a property owner and renting for a MMJ grow.

HippySmoke

Active Member
A friend of mine has a property in washington state that he plans to rent half of to a legal Washington MMJ patient, but we're having issues figuring out how to make sure everything is in compliance and that there are proper clauses to indemnify the property owner in case the patient decides to go overboard it's on him type thing... So my question is does anyone have a property guide for renting to a MMJ patient in washington state? I checked through the DOH's very very long brochure and found nothing that really helped and I have glanced around the public legal information reference center but nothing about rental's and medical cannabis... any idea where to start?

(And yes this was also posted in legal edge, I am not trying to spam I am unsure as to where to get the best information.)
 

guerrilla medic

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i am certainly no legal authority but i would feel comfortable with a standard rental agreement. if you arent comfortable with that you could consult an attorney...i have the number for an excellent one if you are interested i can send you his number.
 

guerrilla medic

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Don't do it, dope growers are bad news.
lol i dont know if you're being sarcastic or not because we are probably all dope growers here....but i have owned rental properties before and from a landlord's/homeowner's point of view dope growers probably WOULD be bad news haaaaaa drilling and cutting holes in the walls and ceilings, spilling water everywhere, mold from humidity.....sounds like a nightmare. really most renters end up being a nightmare dope growers or not.
 

tumorhead

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Better for the land owner to not know about it..........If they agree to it, especially in writing, they're fucked as far as the feds see it.
 

HippySmoke

Active Member
Yea my friend ended up having disagree with beginning a lease arrangement, we contacted a lawyer and as tumorhead pointed out he would be in a bad position fed wise. Because the property would be expressly used for growing, and there would be no way the property owner (my friend) could use one of my favorite legal terms "plausible deniability" which means I didn't know and there was no reason I should have known.

Hypothetically :) plausible deniability is something I used to protect certain family members during the Bush administration. In the hypothetical case the plants were grown in a "stealth closet" so to speak despite being licensed and acting in accordance with the laws of the state I was afraid if I ever had a federal issue the hypothetical family members I may have been renting a house from at the time would be liable. Therefore plausible deniability was maintained, to protect the actual property owners.

And second even more than the fact he'd be putting himself in a sticky position my friend didn't and still doesn't know that much about growing cannabis. After looking over what the proposed renter had planned, I had issues. He wanted to setup a lot of lighting without replacing the existing wiring or putting in appliance gauge wiring and outlets and no there were not already appliance outlets in the area he wanted to rent so I was put off big time there, wondering if the turkey knew what the hell he was doing. Then when I was looking at the area proposed for rental I realized without the amount of wattage he quoted me "off the top of his head" and the amount of space he wanted to rent I was beginning to wonder if this guy was just another cash cropper, which I am not against but I am against when ya claim to be about the medical qualities of cannabis. Then I had my friend call the potential renter to ask a few questions and he brought up during the conversation "oh by the way no problem if no but is is there some way I could pay half my rent in pot?" and that clenched it, ol' boy will be taking his project elsewhere. But I did learn quite a bit through this experience. One of which being contact a lawyer just to be sure before ya get too involved. Although I do need to start looking for a better personal representative as I am not currently growing but may be soon, and always make it a point to have a personal lawyer when I have an operation in effect.
 

tumorhead

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I've been a landlord for going on 9 years, my tenant is anti pot but I wouldn't give a shit what he does in the house he's renting. I just wouldn't want to know and agree to it. If the rent is paid, say no more.
 

stone1977

Active Member
But they would say its your property you should know who or what is going on there. If you rent to a grower yes the fed can get you take your property ect. That why its hard to get a spot for dispensary.
 

colonuggs

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this is what I read

One of the most common questions we get is about medical marijuana and whether housing providers are required to allow it on their property. The following is the guidance we provide to both housing providers and consumers on this subject. We caution everyone that the status ofmedical marijuana is still unclear under both federal and state law.
Let’s step back and start at the beginning, as it were, from a fair housing perspective. Fair housing laws make discrimination in any housing transaction illegal if based on
FEDERAL: Race, Color, National Origin, Religion, Gender, Familial Status, *Disability*
OREGON: Marital Status, Legal Sources of Income, Sexual Orientation / Gender Identity
WASHINGTON: Marital Status, Sexual Orientation / Gender Identity, Honorably Discharged Veteran / Military Status
LOCAL: For a list of protected classes by jurisdiction in Oregon and SW Washington visit www.FHCo_Org/mission.htm
This article focuses on the protected class of disability, and specifically the application of medical marijuana as a reasonable accommodation request. For additional information about disability as aprotected class and reasonable accommodations / modifications in general visit

www.FHCo_Org/disability.htm.


The Fair Housing Act defines disability as a physical or mental condition that substantially impairs amajor life activity such as seeing, hearing, thinking, walking, breathing, self-care, etc. This includes an expansive list of chronic diseases and conditions. You should also know that anyone with a disability has the right to ask a housing provider for a reasonable modification or accommodation and, for some with severe pain or chronic conditions, medicinal use of marijuana is the only treatment that seems to help.

Most rental agreements stipulate that illegal activity will not be tolerated on the rented premises. In Oregon and Washington marijuana use is not an illegal activity if prescribed by a physician and if state medical marijuana rules regarding possession, consumption, etc. are followed. If a medical marijuana user identifies him / herself as having a disability as defined by fair housing law and requests a reasonable accommodation to use medical marijuana, s/he is asking for an exception to the rule; that is, to do what would otherwise be considered illegal activity on the property.

In a separate but related matter, many housing providers (landlords, homeowners’ associations, etc.) have legally adopted a no smoking-rule. If a medical marijuana user identifies him / herself as having a disability as defined by fair housing law and requests a reasonableaccommodation to use medical marijuana, s/he is asking for an exception to the rule; that is, to be allowed to smoke medical marijuana in spite of the no-smoking rule.

It is important to realize that an individual with a disability can ask for anything s/he feels is necessary as an accommodation / modification in order to achieve full use and enjoyment of housing as those without disabilities do. So, a ban on illegal drug use and a no-smoking rule are each perfectly fine unless and until an individual with a disability has been legally prescribed medical marijuana and asks for anaccommodation to use it. As with any other reasonable accommodation or modification, the housing provider has the right to verification but must consider every request. HUD only allows for denial when what’s asked for alters the housing provider’s job description; poses a direct threat; constitutes an administrative burden and is too costly.

Of course, if the resident hasn’t asked for accommodation or alerted you to the fact that they’re using medical marijuana, you should assume it is illegal drug activity and respond appropriately. If, at that time, the resident informs you that it is medically prescribed and provides verification, you must consider the request and can only deny based on the reasons stated above.

If you have a medical marijuana user on your property, or anapplicant who uses medical marijuana wishes to move into your rental, you may not charge them higher fees or deposits – just as you can’t with service animals or any other disability-relatedaccommodation or modification. That being said, if damage is caused (i.e.: moisture damage, electrical issues, etc.) the resident is, in fact, responsible for it just as a resident would be if his / her service animal gnawed on woodwork in the unit or damaged carpeting. The point is you may not legally assume there will be problems or damage unless or until it actually happens. This seems like a good reason for landlords to have a policy of routinely inspecting all of their units in order to be in communication with residents and catch to any issues early on.

If an individual in any way violates the state’s medical marijuana program rules (where it’s used, quantities allowed, selling ordistributing, etc.) it then becomes, essentially, illegal activity. At which point, a housing provider would be within his / her rights to sanction the individual accordingly.

I’ve had many-a-housing provider ask, “Why can’t the resident simply take it in another form rather than smoking it!” Let me be clear, under fair housing laws housing providers have no business interfering with an individual’s treatment plan. Such business is strictly between him / her and their medical provider. This is true whether you’d prefer the individual took a marijuana pill rather than smoking it or if youquestion what good a campaign animal might do for an individual who doesn’t appear to you to be disabled. In terms of medicalmarijuana, alternate forms are not always an option – for some it makes them sick to their stomach, for others it simply isn’t effective at easing pain.

You should know that you are not required to accommodate medical marijuana growers who legally grow crops under the state’s medical marijuana program for the use of other patients.

In summary, be sure you’re getting advice from appropriate sources for specific issues. For non-approved use of marijuana (ie: notmedical marijuana; AKA illegal drug use) contact your local lawenforcement agency. For questions about your state’s medicalmarijuana program, contact the Dept. of Human Services in Oregon (http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/ommp/) or Washington’s State Dept. of Health (http://www.doh.wa.gov/hsqa/medical-marijuana/). For additional information on medical marijuana from a fair housing-perspective visit www.FHCo_Org/breaking_news.htm and search for “marijuana” to find a Dept. of Justice memo on the subject. You may also want to check out www.FHCo_Org/disability.htm. For any fair housing-relatedquestions, contact our Fair Housing Hotline (800/424-3247 Ext. 2) or an attorney well versed in these federal, state, and local laws.

As we’ve said many times, we pride ourselves on the strong working relationships we have with housing providers and their tradeassociations across our service area. We strive to be a resource to you. You’ll find a great deal of additional information just for housing providers at www.FHCo_Org/hs_provider_info.htm.
 

HippySmoke

Active Member
Was that copied from a department of health primer? I would love to know where the info came from, the subject in question has come up again just the situation reversed... but long story short I am thinking about working on a renting and MMJ guide. And the piece you quoted gave me a substantial amount of information, most of which I already knew but knowing something isn't enough if ya don't have the records to back it up.
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
Was that copied from a department of health primer? I would love to know where the info came from, the subject in question has come up again just the situation reversed... but long story short I am thinking about working on a renting and MMJ guide. And the piece you quoted gave me a substantial amount of information, most of which I already knew but knowing something isn't enough if ya don't have the records to back it up.
heres the link look on the far right :) http://fhco.org/med_marijuana.htm
 
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