Has the American Government become Tyrannical?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
the moronicism from each side seems to be the buffer to tyranny lately. there have been studies on how social media and sites like this tend to divide people, too. part of the problem lies within each of us.

you fucking shithead.
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"Each side" ? That implies that there are two sides. I think we agree there are two sides, but not on what they are. There are those that support liberty and those that don't. Both major political parties are on the SAME side, they don't support liberty.

Can I get a picture of a pony now?
 
Doer

Doer

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It is a free trade world. You need to decide on the Tarriff questions but the world is open for business. And only one reason for that. We borrow China gold to protect the sea lanes for all the world trade to benefit.

It goes to shit in a hurry, if we don't do that and if the British and Dutch before them, did not protect the trade routes.

Pirates. Gee wiz, still a pirate problem today. Imagine if we didn'tpatrol the sea. Someone else will have to.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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GOD HERE said:
I'm at work, I don't have time to address the different comments, but wikipedia has a very basic outline of collective anarchism, it's hard to find an unbiased source (especially from the left). If you want a more in depth explanation, in the age of google it's not difficult to find. Btw, Keynes I read your posts and again you could not be more wrong. The social systems are not that simple and I think you know that, you just choose to purport the Limbaugh view of the left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#Anarchist_schools_of_thought

I don't enjoy arguing, especially when it's pointless, so take what I've said for what it's worth.
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and theres where youre once again wrong. they ARE that simple.

the purest form of each is accurately described, and with the exception of Anarchy (which has not graduations at all, it either is, or is not) each system comes in a variety of flavours which can be mixed and matched, but changing the definitions of socialism, liberty, communism, marxism, fascism and all the rest to suit your narrative is nothing but deception.

without a firm basis for understanding what these words mean you cannot argue for or against any of them, and if you do not know what the words mean, you cannot even understand where you sit on the spectrum.

like most modern "Im an anarcho-________ist Libertarian" claimants, youre most likely a democratic socialist, with closer ties to fascism than libertarianism or the classic liberalism of the enlightenment.

you may not like being associated with fascism, but if you support european style democratic socialism, and a mixture of private property and government control of the "Means of Production" then you have in fact adopted the Third Way, which was crafted by Benito Mussiolini and is the cornerstone of fascism.

facts are facts. read trotsky's ddiscussion on the nature of democratic socialism (included under fascism) and how it is a betrayal of the communist ideal.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm

sorry dude,, youre a fascist.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Doer said:
It is a free trade world. You need to decide on the Tarriff questions but the world is open for business. And only one reason for that. We borrow China gold to protect the sea lanes for all the world trade to benefit.

It goes to shit in a hurry, if we don't do that and if the British and Dutch before them, did not protect the trade routes.

Pirates. Gee wiz, still a pirate problem today. Imagine if we didn'tpatrol the sea. Someone else will have to.
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Governments are the worst pirates. You might want to see who sponsored Privateers.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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GOD HERE said:
You were talking about Mussolini, and so was I. I don't know why you're trying to pin what I said on Trotsky.

Oh man you have so much wrong in there. I'm not in the company of people like Pol Pot or Castro. They're not communists. Neither is China. I know that's hard for you to understand, nor will you ever understand it, because you don't want to. These are all very different ideologies that share words. That doesn't make them the same. You don't understand the differences. And that's okay. I'm not going to waste 15 minutes explaining something to you that you won't understand nor do you want to understand. But if anything I say gets through to you, I hope it's this: You are wrong about a lot of the things you said. If you truly care about being right, it might be worth revisiting those topics with an open mind. I used to be a right winger, so I know how hard it is. Good luck.
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ohh so you were talking about mussolini being thrown out of the communist club...

WRONG!!!!!

mussolini was part of the Comintern all the way up till the start of the war when he broke with stalin over Greman Nazism, NOT over disagreements over the nature o communism or socialism, since stalin and mussolini were on the same page.

trotsky was the one drummed out of the communist party when the communist party stopped being about communism and became about a socialist power grab.


so youre STILL WRONG FOR THE SAME REASON!

if you knew what communism is, and how socialism fits into the marxist plan you would make more sense to those of us who have studied this issue, and know what the words mean.

case in point:

china is a socialist nation. i never claimed they were communist, since i KNOW WHAT THOSE WORDS MEAN.

other socialaists who believe the waay you do, which is socialism for the plebs, but capitalism for the elite aparatchiks:

fidel castro
the kim dynasty
pol pot
stalin
mussolini
hitler
ayatollah khomeni
saddam hussein
kofi "Oil For Food" anan
hugo chavez
augusto pinoche
dominique strauss khan (international banker AND socialist firebrand, lulz)
barack hussein obama
the vietnamese communist party (but ho chi minh was a reluctant socialist)
the talibs in afghanistan
the mexican Seven Families

and many many more.

each and every one embraces a mix of communist theory with just a splash of capitalism (mostly for those on top, very little for the masses of plebs) and enforces that economic plan with the power of the government they control, suppressing dissent, and taking from those who dare to get just a little too successful.

so yeah, youre a fascist.
you just dont know what fascism is, you think it's nazism.

how sad.
 
Doer

Doer

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Rob Roy said:
Governments are the worst pirates. You might want to see who sponsored Privateers.
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But, they had the magic paper. The Letters of Marque. Just a filthy pirate to rot in chains, otherwise.

Don't leave port without it!

You are making the point by trying to side step. If WE didn't twist the fuck-ed system. The system would twist us.

See, I'm not into right and wrong. Nations don't even have friends. Nations have self-interest. WE the People type, self preservation, interests. It is not a theory and these theories are never completely emplaced. They morph into tyranny before the ink is dry. Anything that is against self interest is just a theory. Even Liberty, such as it is, seems like tyranny to some. We have a 10 yr Census. But, "census taking" by forced entry, in the middle of the night is tyranny, for a tiny example.

And since we are engaged in self government, for you to say any of this is against our National Self Interest, is just your theory. You are not privy to what are the current details of the actual interests of the USA. You are not read in on the decision making.

We are warring with Iran. The 5 types of spy are working in high gear. Operational deception is the standing Order.

There is no way we can second guess. It would not be even be a guess.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Dr Kynes said:
ohh so you were talking about mussolini being thrown out of the communist club...

WRONG!!!!!

mussolini was part of the Comintern all the way up till the start of the war when he broke with stalin over Greman Nazism, NOT over disagreements over the nature o communism or socialism, since stalin and mussolini were on the same page.

trotsky was the one drummed out of the communist party when the communist party stopped being about communism and became about a socialist power grab.


so youre STILL WRONG FOR THE SAME REASON!

if you knew what communism is, and how socialism fits into the marxist plan you would make more sense to those of us who have studied this issue, and know what the words mean.

case in point:

china is a socialist nation. i never claimed they were communist, since i KNOW WHAT THOSE WORDS MEAN.

other socialaists who believe the waay you do, which is socialism for the plebs, but capitalism for the elite aparatchiks:

fidel castro
the kim dynasty
pol pot
stalin
mussolini
hitler
ayatollah khomeni
saddam hussein
kofi "Oil For Food" anan
hugo chavez
augusto pinoche
dominique strauss khan (international banker AND socialist firebrand, lulz)
barack hussein obama
the vietnamese communist party (but ho chi minh was a reluctant socialist)
the talibs in afghanistan
the mexican Seven Families

and many many more.

each and every one embraces a mix of communist theory with just a splash of capitalism (mostly for those on top, very little for the masses of plebs) and enforces that economic plan with the power of the government they control, suppressing dissent, and taking from those who dare to get just a little too successful.

so yeah, youre a fascist.
you just dont know what fascism is, you think it's nazism.

how sad.
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Doer said:
But, they had the magic paper. The Letters of Marque. Just a filthy pirate to rot in chains, otherwise.

Don't leave port without it!

You are making the point by trying to side step. It WE didn't twist the fuck-ed system. The system would twist us.

See, I'm not into right and wrong. Nations don't even have friends. Nations have self-interest. WE the People type, self preservation, interests. It is not a theory and these theories are never completely emplaced. They morph into tyranny before the ink is dry. Anything that is against self interest is just a theory. Even Liberty, such as it is, seems like tyranny to some. We have a 10 yr Census. But, "census taking" by forced entry, in the middle of the night is tyranny, for a tiny example.

And since we are engaged in self government, for you to say any of this is against our National Self Interest, is just your theory. You are not privy to what are the current details of the actual interests of the USA. You are not read in on the decision making.

We are warring with Iran. The 5 types of spy are working in high gear. Operational deception is the standing Order.

There is no way we can second guess. It would not be even be a guess.
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I disagree that nations have self interests. Individuals have self interest. Nations have lots of people, and many different points of view.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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I dunno but the mayor of new york has proven to be tyrannical.

Not only is he not embarassed by what the judges said when tossing out his beverage size ban, he vows to fight them on appeal.

I guess focusing on stupid shit is easier than actually fixing major problems.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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NLXSK1 said:
I dunno but the mayor of new york has proven to be tyrannical.

Not only is he not embarassed by what the judges said when tossing out his beverage size ban, he vows to fight them on appeal.

I guess focusing on stupid shit is easier than actually fixing major problems.
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Bingo!

Don't expect those that create problems to be able to fix them.
 
Doer

Doer

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Rob Roy said:
I disagree that nations have self interests. Individuals have self interest. Nations have lots of people, and many different points of view.
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Sorry, I'm not talking theory. WE had self interest. We didn't like tea, all that much. We banded together and we consituted a govt and we vote and elect and follow the constitution as best WE can. The good of the many and the good of the few is always part of the struggle.

And you can say you don't believe in any of it. And you can just sit in a hole, it's so irritating. Just don't snatch a kid off a school bus and you will be fine. If you produce no income even, you can take the dole.

I think it's simple. We wake up to girls and THEM about the same time. Girls seem a bit impressed of our tales of repression. Smooth. I know what I'm speaking of.

At some point, you can decide if you will make it to 30 and is it worth it. All else falls from this.

The free mind is just beginning to form, in most people by 30 years. Not over, just beginning. (even if slapped by a cult or military context)

Then we get "involved" or not. Cling or move up. Worry and vote or don't or any combo. Most of us, when the tooth gets longer we see what a fucking, sad ass, complicated mess it all is, and I don' just mean the Popery.

I mean the lies and the green grass of opinion to munch, while the Game of Real, goes on, very subtle like. Below the generational radar, for one important thing.

War today is fought over the generational context, below the radar. And when you get like me, you see it is all Good and certainly a miracle, considering it is the best that WE can do with this evil world that taints us, even today. <shrug>
 
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silasraven

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the government is a front for the biggest crime bosses. they are out to take your money and land. if you defend it you get it worse.
 
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