When does Capitalism fail?

[Dr Kynes]

The only correct thing in this turd is the very last statement. However, a better wording would have been: Corruption and Self-Enrichment are the downfall of Society.

The only ism that enshrines Corruption and Self-Enrichment as holy sacrament is Capitalism.

funny. my descriptions are accurate in every resource available except wikipedia, your blog and noam chomsky's rambling speeches

but by all means explain how im wrong. i'd love to hear you take a REAL position on an issue, rather than vague allusions to some mythical political theory that nobody can describe outside an incoherent wikipage and a contradictory series of claims.

 

[abandonconflict]

by all means explain how im wrong.

This wrongness of yours, is a condition caused by the fact that everything you say is untrue. This is a result of distortions, lies and just the plain old fact that you're full of shit.

 

[UncleBuck]

This wrongness of yours, is a condition caused by the fact that everything you say is untrue. This is a result of distortions, lies and just the plain old fact that you're full of shit.

false.

until obama is a socialist, your definitions are clearly lacking!

nevermind all the evidence to the contrary, trust the out of touch, racist bircher!

 

[Dr Kynes]

and capitalism requires a certain type of government to flourish as well.

how many socialists are we electing?

(here's the part where you really show off your stupidity and call obama a socialist, just like your bircher buddies told you to)

yes, obama is a democratic socialist.

thats the kind of elected limited socialism used in Northern Europe, Scandinavia and some parts of Southern Europe

see this is also called Third Way Socialism, and it was designed by Benito Mussolini around 1910 since regular Marxism just wasnt selling in Italy.

so, perhaps you would like to tell me where i am wrong?

http://www.upf.edu/materials/fhuma/nacionalismes/nacio/docs/muss-doctrine.pdf

Benito says im right.

Thanks Il Duce. youre always there when i need you.

 

[Dr Kynes]

This wrongness of yours, is a condition caused by the fact that everything you say is untrue. This is a result of distortions, lies and just the plain old fact that you're full of shit.

im wrong because of my innate and immutable wrongness.

amazing.

 

[UncleBuck]

yes, obama is a democratic socialist.

thats the kind of elected limited socialism used in Northern Europe, Scandinavia and some parts of Southern Europe

see this is also called Third Way Socialism, and it was designed by Benito Mussolini around 1910 since regular Marxism just wasnt selling in Italy.

so, perhaps you would like to tell me where i am wrong?

http://www.upf.edu/materials/fhuma/nacionalismes/nacio/docs/muss-doctrine.pdf

Benito says im right.

Thanks Il Duce. youre always there when i need you.

so you're not calling him a marxist anymore?

you're slipping, miss kynes.*

but that's the thing about lying, it's hard to keep all the lies straight. especially when you make up your definitions as you go along.

silly bircher.










*this implies that you have a vagina

 

[Dr Kynes]

false.

until obama is a socialist, your definitions are clearly lacking!

nevermind all the evidence to the contrary, trust the out of touch, racist bircher!

Obama IS a Socialist. it's not a dirty word.

but shame and guilt make you and obama and abandonconflict deny whats in your hearts (not your minds, those are apparently full of pudding).

embrace your truth, or keep living a lie in the marxist closet.

but i wont stop Outing you.

it's for your own good.

ill do you a Flavour. heres where you can Buy the Communist Manifesto (ohh the irony) for $5.69 or read it for free on the webs. check it out, and see where you think marx and engles got it all wrong when they were creating communism and socialism, then you can pick apart their innate wrongness too.


cuz man i tell you, if Marx wasnt a Marxist then NOBODY is. and if Marx is a Marxist, then BHO is one too.

 

[abandonconflict]

im wrong because of my innate and immutable wrongness.

amazing.

Actually, it appears to me that you like being wrong.

 

[UncleBuck]

so now obama is a democratic socialist, a socialist, and a marxist.

cool! words don't mean anything anymore! this is fun!

please name the three most socialist bills obama has signed into law then. go right ahead.

 

[Dr Kynes]

so you're not calling him a marxist anymore?

you're slipping, miss kynes.*

but that's the thing about lying, it's hard to keep all the lies straight. especially when you make up your definitions as you go along.

silly bircher.

*this implies that you have a vagina

Socialism Including Democratic socialism IS Marxism. *

this assumes that you can read and understand the english language and can recognize a hierarchical nomenclature.

all Marxists are not Socialists but ALL socialists are Marxists.

 

[Dr Kynes]

so now obama is a democratic socialist, a socialist, and a marxist.

cool! words don't mean anything anymore! this is fun!

please name the three most socialist bills obama has signed into law then. go right ahead.

Obamacare is classic Third Way Socialism, which places the pwoer of government at the disposal of a private company provided the private company serves the demands of the government.

 

[UncleBuck]

Socialism Including Democratic socialism IS Marxism. *

this assumes that you can read and understand the english language and can recognize a hierarchical nomenclature.

all Marxists are not Socialists but ALL socialists are Marxists.

no one gives a shit about your made up little definitions there, sport.

i'll sit back and wait for you to actually name some socialist legislation obama has signed into law.

 

[abandonconflict]

 

[UncleBuck]

Obamacare is classic Third Way Socialism, which places the pwoer of government at the disposal of a private company provided the private company serves the demands of the government.

the NHS is socialism. the PPACA is anything but, you silly, deluded little bircher.

try again. you still need to name two more bills. well, three actually, since mandating the purchase of insurance from a private goddamn company is about as far from socialism as you can get.

 

[abandonconflict]

cool! words don't mean anything anymore! this is fun!

 

[Harrekin]

Socialism Including Democratic socialism IS Marxism. *

this assumes that you can read and understand the english language and can recognize a hierarchical nomenclature.

all Marxists are not Socialists but ALL socialists are Marxists.

My country is run by dirty Socialists, you know because 50% of our national budget yearly goes on welfare.

Its sickening, the people who NEED it keep getting it cut so moochers can drinking cheap cans every night.

 

[Mr Neutron]

Nah, Doc, you got him all wrong, BHO is a sweet Libertarian Socialist center, surrounded by Keynesian icing on the outside.

 

[Mr Neutron]

cool! words don't mean anything anymore! this is fun!

Do you mean words like voluntary and self ownership and income and terrorist and freedom and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness​?

 

[Dr Kynes]

the NHS is socialism. the PPACA is anything but, you silly, deluded little bircher.

try again. you still need to name two more bills. well, three actually, since mandating the purchase of insurance from a private goddamn company is about as far from socialism as you can get.

Benito Mussolini disagrees.

of course this is what prompted trotsky to call him a sellout and claim he Betrayed Communism with his acquiescence to the power of the bourgeois...

Marxism is a rowdy school bus not a monastery but it's still ONE Goal with many ideas about the best way to pursue it.

mao and stalin didnt agree on much either, except they hated capitalism (but loved the trappings and wealth of the enemy) yet both were still socialists and both were still marxists

Trotsky and Lenin hatred both those cunts, and they were Communists as well as Marxists.

Fidel Castro betrayed Che Guevara to the bolivians because Che was a Communist Revolutionary, but Fidel was a Socialist self-promoter and autocrat who was quite satisfied with the current state of affairs and desired no furthher revolutionary action towards Communism or even proper Socialism.

are you getting it yet?

Marxism has a RAINBOW of flavours each one distinct in it's Communism, Socialism and Capitalism components. thats right ALL 3!

without a little Capitalism and a little Socialism, Communism is just a utopia.

without a little Communism and a little Capitalism Socialism is a Dystopia

and without a little Socialism and a little Communism, Capitalism devolves into Somalia.

 

[Doer]

Since we are splitting hairs, see if you can go along with this. Let me set it up and show you.

Personal standing in the group is Capital that can be parlayed into markers.

Markers have become Money. Money has good and bad outcomes. Since there is a common coin, there is a common value to goods and services that are set by the "brother of barter", auction. And public auction, in it all it's forms, housing market, govt services bids, all the way to Ebay, is the way value is set. BTW, it is the only way real value can be determined in a money system. But, it can get subtle and tricky. I see everyone here is aware of that. The giant $$$ at play can lead to somewhat out of control. And, also, quite shocking abuse.

But, largess and credit and a market economy, leads to consumerism. Since WW2 we see Consumerism. It is a kind of auction gone a bit wild, and it is very hard to say who is driving the bus, the producers of goods or the consumers. And it fights itself into insanity. The Marketing/Press the Elections/Advertising, the Info Overload and the pitiful tyranny of opinions is what we get to see here.

A most detestable state of Commercialism.

It's Commercialism we all hate. We love Capital Standing among our fellows, even here on this board. And trading Capital for makers and more markers is economy, not an -ism.

So, don't get mixed up as to which is the Golden Goose. 1) you can't kill capitalism. It's not an -ism. It doesn't even exist like that except as a kicked dog for Marx, Lenin, and Mao. Every -ism needs an enemy. Every -ism wants to try this purely intellectual push of the lower classes into a much worse situation, than they had.

Aye, I mean Commercialism and it may well be the worst -ism, yet. Follow me?