First real grow how do they look?

[BakedBlake]

Greetings everyone. Ive recently settled in and have been able to start a little grow. I got an indica pack from the greenhouse seed company and through shipping i wasnt able to tell which was which. I have a 600W MH for their veg stage 16/8 and i have an HPS for when they flower. ive planted them in gallon pots with fox farm ocean forest soil. The temps range from 59 to 79. have not tested my PH. The bigger plants are almost 4 weeks old and the babys are 2 weeks old. Tell me what you guys think id like any advice anyone has thanks alot!

 

[dimebong]

They're overfed. Watering too often with soils already containing fertilizers
can overfeed plants.

The plant in pic 3 is showing obvious nitrogen toxicity. I can see a couple leaves starting to canoe
and the lower growth is too dark and dry.

If it isn't liquid feeding causing the problem, then you might be watering too frequently which means the soil is overfeeding it.

 

[King Cobra]

The plant in pic 3 looks like it's got a few mutations, but i don't it's N. I do agree though,if the soil has fert's in it already i would only give a mild dose as the soil can provide for the plant for upto 4-5 weeks, depending on how slow the fert's release. Saying this i think they look good. Just remember as the plant gets bigger it will get more hardy, and when you dial into your plants, you will become more aware of any problems that arise and be able to correct them. Look at your plants, and by looking you are also listening to them, they will tell you what the problem is.

Happy Growing

 

[bigv1976]

They are very small for 4 weeks under 600 watts.

 

[King Cobra]

They are very small for 4 weeks under 600 watts.

Agreed!! they are that..

 

[prosperian]

Congrats on your first grow and taking the plunge. Looks like you have the right equipment to get the job done. The plants look fine but here are some tweaks that were shared with me on my first grow.

I would look at night time temps as the culprit for slow growth. 20 degrees is too much of a swing. Try to maintain a 10 degree variation and warm up the room at night to 67-69 with a heater. Don't really see a watering issue but less is better. Learn how to lift the pots dry and wet and know the difference in weight. Place the older plants right in the middle of the light foot print and the younger ones on the outside edges. If you're still 24" away with the 600w bring it in by raising the older plants with books or something to get them closer to the light (they should be at 12" if running a sealed fixture). A couple weeks from now all the plants should be tight on the light fixture within 12-16" by raising the smaller ones for an even canopy.

Good luck on your first grow and keep us posted.

 

[BakedBlake]

Thank you for all the replies everyone. Ive decided im going to not use nutrients for another week or so and ill cut down on watering. about the temp swings i know its a problem but its just cold where i live the lights have to be on at night. idk what i could do about their nighttime temps. ill start rotating the plants as well. i think the slow growth is being caused by the temps, also i have my light set to 75% because it gets a little too hot in there if its at 100% around 80 degrees. my light is in an air cooled fixture does this mean i can have them closer? So besides over nuting, over watering, and stunting my plants growth is there anything else i can do. will a small osculating fan help with the high temp so i can turn my light up? thanks again for all the replies all.

 

[grorite]

if it is only hitting 80 on 100% id run it that's not that bad

 

[prosperian]

my light is in an air cooled fixture does this mean i can have them closer? So besides over nuting, over watering, and stunting my plants growth is there anything else i can do. will a small osculating fan help with the high temp so i can turn my light up? thanks again for all the replies all.

Yes, sealed air-cooled fixtures can be brought up close to the canopy. Slowly bring them in using the back of your hand for a heat gauge and watch the tips for a couple days to see how they react. I have mine at 12" HPS 400w. I feel no heat at 4" but the plants like it in the 12"-8" sweet spot.

Yes, an oscillating fan at the canopy will greatly reduce the temps (reduced temps by 6 degrees for me). I have three temp guages in my grow room. The canopy temp guage is what I watch religiously.

Yes, turn up the lights, that will get the temps up and improve growth. The more light intesity you provide, the bigger the buds. When it gets cold around here, I have a small space heater in the grow with a thermostat to keep my minimum temps within range.

 

[dimebong]

The plant in pic 3 looks like it's got a few mutations, but i don't it's N. I do agree though,if the soil has fert's in it already i would only give a mild dose as the soil can provide for the plant for upto 4-5 weeks, depending on how slow the fert's release. Saying this i think they look good. Just remember as the plant gets bigger it will get more hardy, and when you dial into your plants, you will become more aware of any problems that arise and be able to correct them. Look at your plants, and by looking you are also listening to them, they will tell you what the problem is.

Happy Growing

Plants with nitrogen toxicity show plenty of easy signs.

Some leaves develop a glossy dry (brown paper like)
darkish green surface. The camera would be making
it look a lot lighter in color than in real life.

Canoeing:


Soon they will all look like this:



This is the start of the little ridges being "Burnt" out.


It will look like this:
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I would cut your feed in half.

The abundance of nitrogen will stunt growth.

 

[King Cobra]

Hi Dimebong..i agree with that, but im looking at the new growth, just looks like a genetic problem to me..but hey what do i know!! I dont even grow weed. But i do grow a lot of other plants. So your probably correct in your assumption.

 

[BakedBlake]

Hey all heres a little update.
That plant that was looking a little sad is still a bit discolored but its growing fine.
Since ive turned my light up the temps are getting into the low 90's. im getting a fan soon in the mail idk how much it can help.
Im only feeding the ones that look like they like it the others just get normal water.
Hows it lookin, any thoughts?

 

[The Growery]

They still look over watered. had this problem very recently myself. even low 90s is okay with a good watering regimen. I've had plants growing in mid 90s during veg and flowering before and they did fine. Let those pots dry out completely before re watering. When you water, I would only water about 2/3 cup of water per watering, let them be able to dry out and get oxygenated between waterings. When you over water, the oxygen in the water gets used up by the roots faster than the water evaporates out of the soil creating anaerobic conditions. anaerobic conditions are bad no matter synthetic or organic.

 

[BakedBlake]

Goodmorning sorry to be bringin back an old post but id rather not start a new one for this one has previous pictures of the grow.
Ive turned my inline fan around so i now have negative pressure in my tent cause i heard that was much better. And it proved to be, dropping my temps and keeping them more stable. about 60 low and 80 as a high. it was getting in the low 90s before.
I also bent one over, it seemed like it had sativa traits and i dont want it to outstretch everyone.
Should my leaves be darker in color?
Should my leaves me less droopy? On many grows i see the leaves pointing up grabbing all the light.
Do they still look over watered?
The plant in picture 1 is the one that was said to have some mutations how is it looking?


Im not sure how to get rid of the attached thumbnails. x.x

 

[prosperian]

Better to take the pictures with the HID off. From the photos provided, the color looks good. They are indica strains so fat, short, and bushy leaves will be the dominant traits.

I'm glad you were able to get the temps under control. It will take a few days for the plants to acclimate to the new environment, might see some drooping.

Also with the lower temps you won't need as much water so be careful there too. All and all, looks good!

 

[BakedBlake]

Thanks alot ill cut back on watering. Do you really think 2/3 cup is enough? If so i have been over watering.
Most are indica but ive had that seed for a while and its looking sativa'ish.
Also the biggest one doesnt really smell like the others. they arent flowering so i cant tell for sure but could it be male?

 

[prosperian]

Thanks alot ill cut back on watering. Do you really think 2/3 cup is enough? If so i have been over watering.
Most are indica but ive had that seed for a while and its looking sativa'ish.
Also the biggest one doesnt really smell like the others. they arent flowering so i cant tell for sure but could it be male?

Really don't want to advise you on quantity of water "2/3 cup". I approach watering plants by weight. A dry plant is feather light. A wet pot feels really heavy - 3 gallon is hard to lift when saturated. My ritual is lifting pots and judging weight. Only watering when the soil is dry, really dry. I slowly water making my way to each plant and coming back around. I wait and if I don't see water coming out the bottom as run off, I repeat. Smell and size are not good indicators of gender. Think you are just going to have to wait it out until you flower.