When does Capitalism fail?

[Doer]

What does any of that have to do with capitalism?

If I dont pay, the lender can sue me. Any other action such as you suggest is criminal.

People keep dragging extraneous shit into this argument.

Buddy, i'm not shifting the argument. For me it's not an argument. If that's all I want, I have my wife and work weirdos.

Look and calmly see I'm trying have a discussion. I asked you a very simple question to get your opinion. You said de-regulate.

My god, who pissed on you today....Oh, I'm glad I asked.

For I see it this way. You take sides. I don't. I will gladly hand some there ass, and then agree with stuff they say in the next post.

So, let's be tokers together, and let me say that generally I agree with your discussion points,. but, sometimes no. And sometimes I'm a White Troll, as I've explained, and sometimes Black Troll, for the ever so lovely among us.

You see that I jumped camps, started agreeing with a certain someone that you war with. You and I are not at war, at this time.

So, it is not tribal or divisive, to me. That requires physical force in every case. No exceptions. This is forum and you and me and all can just un-lax a bit right?

Don't we come here because of only one reason? We are stoned. Some act out, can't handle the sauce. My god, man, are you perfect?

Why are you the, who says?

 

[Dr Kynes]

i'd be shitting money too if i charged $250 an ounce. as it is, demand is outpacing supply, so i should go towards that number. but i refuse on principle.

shit son ~$250 an ounce is the median price at dispensaries in northern california....

or is sacramento in the northern-central-western-valley prefecture?

 

[Dr Kynes]

What does any of that have to do with capitalism?

If I dont pay, the lender can sue me. Any other action such as you suggest is criminal.

People keep dragging extraneous shit into this argument.

he is making the case (in a roundabout way) that MoneyLending (banking and credit) is by it's very nature a corrupting influence on capitalism. and inevitably results in those with capital abusing those without.

interestingly most theocracies prohibit money lending under religious law, since money lenders would inevitably amass more power than the priests ass wealth accumulated in their pockets and debts accrued.


i sort of agree with doer on this score, money lending and banking should be strictly controlled, despite this being an offense to capitalist principles and the freedom of contracts, but money lending results in debt, and debt is a bondage all it's own.


as to the modification of your zero interest no payments credit program at Home Depot, that was a law passed in 2009, which was designed to protect the Lowest Common Denominator from their own stupidity with low payment/high interest credit cards.

it sucked, it was stupid, it didnt do what was promised, and it was just another Briar Patch the bankers and credit card companies "Totally Didnt Want To Get Thrown In..." the congress is full of fools, since they dont even read the bills tghey vote on,, they got staff for that... 19 year old know-nothing kids with heads full of fluff and mouths full of senatorial penis.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

America isn't really capitalist, so there's that detail.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Doc,

Shit, you're beginning to sound like a filthy pinko, son. You forget your spice today?

 

[UncleBuck]

shit son ~$250 an ounce is the median price at dispensaries in northern california....

or is sacramento in the northern-central-western-valley prefecture?

you should check portland craigslist. you can get some damn decent herb for $180 or $190 from random strangers. no one who has a decent hookup pays that much though. if you know anyone, you're paying $100-$150 an ounce.

Dog knows what's gonna happen when i move to the bay area next year though. i could bring it to my family in willits to move for me, but that's a damn risky transport.

gonna have to figure out this california thing.

 

[Doer]

America isn't really capitalist, so there's that detail.

Well....there you go again....

At work we have various terms for this...smoke granade, stink bomb....or simply WTF??? I say, I say, explain yo slf', Sur. For I do not understand what you mean.

 

[Dr Kynes]

you should check portland craigslist. you can get some damn decent herb for $180 or $190 from random strangers. no one who has a decent hookup pays that much though. if you know anyone, you're paying $100-$150 an ounce.

Dog knows what's gonna happen when i move to the bay area next year though. i could bring it to my family in willits to move for me, but that's a damn risky transport.

gonna have to figure out this california thing.

if youre moving to the bay, be prepared for culture shock.

thier image of liberalism and acceptance of weed is not reflected in the police and sheriff's depts or the D.A.s what is easy to do with little interference from the cops in oregon is gonna get you busted hard in solano, marin, contra costa, sf, or napa counties.

the folks dont object to weed, but bay area cops are real assholes about it. even LA Metroplex cops are less dickish over cannabis.

if youre gonna grow in the bay, keep your shit on the Low Low, and dont deal from your house. but you can stroll around Golden Gate park or berkley with a sack and shift the lot without drawing too much attention.

retail prices on the street are moderate to high, but most of the weed on the street is shit brown mexican cartel crap, the really good shit is only available through the hookup where the prices are better, but any asshole caught with a dimebag will roll over on you like a puppy for a milk bone if they know who you are.

in breif, the street market is mostly dirt weed, with prices which are incredibly high for the shit you get, and the good dope growers and marketers get busted regularly by the asshole cops though squimps and rats.

 

[UncleBuck]

if youre moving to the bay, be prepared for culture shock.

thier image of liberalism and acceptance of weed is not reflected in the police and sheriff's depts or the D.A.s what is easy to do with little interference from the cops in oregon is gonna get you busted hard in solano, marin, contra costa, sf, or napa counties.

the folks dont object to weed, but bay area cops are real assholes about it. even LA Metroplex cops are less dickish over cannabis.

if youre gonna grow in the bay, keep your shit on the Low Low, and dont deal from your house. but you can stroll around Golden Gate park or berkley with a sack and shift the lot without drawing too much attention.

retail prices on the street are moderate to high, but most of the weed on the street is shit brown mexican cartel crap, the really good shit is only available through the hookup where the prices are better, but any asshole caught with a dimebag will roll over on you like a puppy for a milk bone if they know who you are.

in breif, the street market is mostly dirt weed, with prices which are incredibly high for the shit you get, and the good dope growers and marketers get busted regularly by the asshole cops though squimps and rats.

well, i won't be taking any of mine to the streets. i could do that here and get $20 for a .9 bag with a huge stem in it. not my idea of a good time.

looks like i will have to invest in a carbon filter though. too bad, as i rather enjoy the looks of random passer bys when i've got a good harvest drying here.

 

[Doer]

San Jose, your're OK. Still having compassion and love the tax revenue. That is if you are medical supply donor to a coop. Santa Cruz is the mecca, but San Jose takes it to another level. Just got a challenge to the City Council via the dratted ballot initiative. But,it was tossed down, handily.

 

[NLXSK1]

• and inevitably results in those with capital abusing those without.​
  
  
  
  

And my fundamental argument is that if an individual cannot be depended upon to make their own decisions about entering into contracts then we are lost as a society...

Mayor Bloomburg must be right in limiting the size of soft drinks cause people are too stupid to stop drinking them.

 

[Harrekin]

you should check portland craigslist. you can get some damn decent herb for $180 or $190 from random strangers. no one who has a decent hookup pays that much though. if you know anyone, you're paying $100-$150 an ounce.

Dog knows what's gonna happen when i move to the bay area next year though. i could bring it to my family in willits to move for me, but that's a damn risky transport.

gonna have to figure out this california thing.

Holy horseshit batman, you could get $600 an ounce here for that stuff you decided could damage your bubble bags and were going to throw out.

 

[UncleBuck]

Holy horseshit batman, you could get $600 an ounce here for that stuff you decided could damage your bubble bags and were going to throw out.

and from what i see on lockup, the prison time if i got caught would be a lot kushier than the situation in cali.

 

[Harrekin]

and from what i see on lockup, the prison time if i got caught would be a lot kushier than the situation in cali.

It's insane the disparity between cost and quality entirely dependent on geographical location.

Its not like weed is harder to get here or less people (per capita) smoke it, it's just insanely profitable here because people "just wanna get high".

I personally enjoy a bit of quality.

 

[NLXSK1]

Buddy, i'm not shifting the argument. For me it's not an argument. If that's all I want, I have my wife and work weirdos.

Look and calmly see I'm trying have a discussion. I asked you a very simple question to get your opinion. You said de-regulate.

My god, who pissed on you today....Oh, I'm glad I asked.

For I see it this way. You take sides. I don't. I will gladly hand some there ass, and then agree with stuff they say in the next post.

So, let's be tokers together, and let me say that generally I agree with your discussion points,. but, sometimes no. And sometimes I'm a White Troll, as I've explained, and sometimes Black Troll, for the ever so lovely among us.

You see that I jumped camps, started agreeing with a certain someone that you war with. You and I are not at war, at this time.

So, it is not tribal or divisive, to me. That requires physical force in every case. No exceptions. This is forum and you and me and all can just un-lax a bit right?

Don't we come here because of only one reason? We are stoned. Some act out, can't handle the sauce. My god, man, are you perfect?

Why are you the, who says?

The OP is about when does capitalism fail.

You have brought the banking system into the equation which is not capitalistic anymore.

I am not worried about you agreeing or disagreeing with me on any subject. I am not interested in trying to be in a clique on the internet.

Most of the problems that people have with credit and banking revolve around bad choices about what they want, not what they need. If we want to limit bad choices we should make cigarettes and tobacco illegal for the good of the society... Oh wait, we have this thing called freedom of choice... The ability to make bad choices as well as good ones. The constant attempt of the government to eliminate the bad choices we can make has led to the over regulated society we live in today which does not really allow pure capitalism in any sense.

For me capitalism simply describes who owns the means of production. With Marxism the government owns the businesses and thus the means of production. With socialism supposedly everyone owns everything but ultimately that requires some sort of government controls and therefore the government ends up owning the means of production there as well. Communism the same thing. All these ism's have political or government affiliation because there needs to be a means of control.

With capitalism the individual owns the means of production, the goods and services. It is different because it needs no control mechanism. The owner of the goods, service, means of production makes the decisions on how to allocate those resources.

Capitalism theoretically cannot succeed or fail as it is simply a descriptor of a certain type of ownership.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

you should check portland craigslist. you can get some damn decent herb for $180 or $190 from random strangers. no one who has a decent hookup pays that much though. if you know anyone, you're paying $100-$150 an ounce.

Same in Michigan, unless you go to a dispensary and pay 3 times as much.

 

[nontheist]

false.

teddy roosevelt's progressivism broke up the monopolies (a failure of capitalism).

keynesian economics works. i can show you the latest keynesian injection in 2009 and the empirical data proving that it worked.

what is broken is your putrid vagina. clean it up, sport.

Oh please do, don't forget to show the half a million price tag per job saved that's the best part! Or how those injections cause real world inflation with stagnant wages. I am sure those minimum wage workers enjoy a 5 dollar a gallon of milk. What was the projected out come of unemployment and what was the actual number?

 

[UncleBuck]

Oh please do, don't forget to show the half a million price tag per job saved that's the best part! Or how those injections cause real world inflation with stagnant wages. I am sure those minimum wage workers enjoy a 5 dollar a gallon of milk. What was the projected out come of unemployment and what was the actual number?

$500,000 per job is a bit higher than what even most right wing think tanks give us, even the wildest estimates put it at about $400k a job. considering half of the ARRA was tax breaks for people like you and me, that's not that bad. consider the costs of employing someone for 2+ years who is competent enough to build the highway you drive on, and the amount of materials per worker used. it's not like some untrained, unskilled moron like you built a highway out of pixie dust. there's lots of materials and machines involved. those materials purchased and machines used all inject demand into the economy as well, employing other people.

now inflation is ever present, but it is low. milk is not $5 a gallon, you inbred hick. the price of a gallon of milk is the exact same as it was in august of 2007 and january of 2005.

i'm not even going to humor you by further mentioning your talk of complicated unemployment projections based on a recession that got revised to be much worse since you are unable to even get the price of milk right, you three tooth having, sister fucking halfwit.

 

[Doer]

The OP is about when does capitalism fail.

You have brought the banking system into the equation which is not capitalistic anymore.

I am not worried about you agreeing or disagreeing with me on any subject. I am not interested in trying to be in a clique on the internet.

Most of the problems that people have with credit and banking revolve around bad choices about what they want, not what they need. If we want to limit bad choices we should make cigarettes and tobacco illegal for the good of the society... Oh wait, we have this thing called freedom of choice... The ability to make bad choices as well as good ones. The constant attempt of the government to eliminate the bad choices we can make has led to the over regulated society we live in today which does not really allow pure capitalism in any sense.

For me capitalism simply describes who owns the means of production. With Marxism the government owns the businesses and thus the means of production. With socialism supposedly everyone owns everything but ultimately that requires some sort of government controls and therefore the government ends up owning the means of production there as well. Communism the same thing. All these ism's have political or government affiliation because there needs to be a means of control.

With capitalism the individual owns the means of production, the goods and services. It is different because it needs no control mechanism. The owner of the goods, service, means of production makes the decisions on how to allocate those resources.

Capitalism theoretically cannot succeed or fail as it is simply a descriptor of a certain type of ownership.

I have been saying you have no idea what you opposing or agreeing to. This Commericalism is strictly caused by Credit failure and if you can't see that Lending is necessary for capital management....I can't help you.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Well....there you go again....

At work we have various terms for this...smoke granade, stink bomb....or simply WTF??? I say, I say, explain yo slf', Sur. For I do not understand what you mean.

Corporatist and capitalist aren't the same.