miracle grow

Dr Kynes

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Fuck, you MUST be 'seasoned' man.....
I doubt 3 out of 100 people here would know that Paraquat isn't a fruit.
aww junior, paraquat was everywhere in the 70's and into the early 80's.

i know a few cats who LIKED the taste of 'quat weed.
 

Figong

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This is from another forum written by a research assistant for the usda, need I say more.Whats Wrong with Miracle Grow, AKA the Dangers of Miracle Grow

Posted by Administrator on April 7, 2010 Leave a commentGo to comments






I take soil seriously, and get downright obsessive about it. As a research assistant for the USDA, I spent four years mixing soil blends and know it really, really makes a difference. I smell soil, feel it, and sometimes taste it (yuck, I know). I wouldn’t grow a plant in anything that I wouldn’t be willing to taste. Having a degree in Chemistry gives me the inside scoop as to what is happening chemical wise, and sometimes its not nice.
Think about it, soil is the foundation of growing a plant. Plants need sun, water and nutrients, and those nutrients are in the soil. Those nutrients aren’t limited to just the big three, Potassium, Nitrogen and Phosphorus either. Those nutrients include iron, magnesium, calcium, zinc, you know, all the stuff we take in the vitamin pills to supplement our bodies with the stuff that is not fruit and vegetables anymore. Yes it’s true, we have less vitamins and minerals in our food than our grandparents did because of big factory farms and chemical fertilizers.
Occasionally someone will come and ask me if I have Miracle Grow products, I really don’t want to get all record store attitude with people but no, I don’t and there are many reasons why. In short, Miracle Grow is like wonder bread, yes it’s cheap, it fills you up but at the end of the day its not good for you, or the planet. I wouldn’t use it for house plants, or for the food I eat. Yes its cheap, but sometimes cheap is expensive, and here’s why.
Miracle-Gro and Hyponex are produced by the Scotts Company, a billion dollar chemical company that also produces fertilizer, bagged soil, pesticides, and hoses. Miracle-Gro Fertilizer is a chemical based, INorganic fertilizer, Miracle Grow soils contain peat and inorganic fertilizers (those yummy grow crystals). Scotts also makes Hyponex, the worst soil on earth, its made of construction waste and crap, its so bad that the Colorado State University released a warning, http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4dmg/Plants/pottmix.htm and was a topic of a lengthy discussion on a popular gardening site (http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg0520500510183.html) Who wants that?
These are soils that are sold at your local hardware stores and orange big box stores that call themselves “garden centers”.
It makes me sad to see this crap being used to grow food that our kids are eating and it makes me angry to see it being sold in local stores. They don’t care about you, your plants or the planet, they just want a cheap product that will make a buck.
Here is whats wrong with inorganic fertilizers.
SALTS
Using inorganic fertilizers over a long period of time will decrease the available nutrients in the soil, depleting it of the building blocks that plants need to make VITAMINES.
PESTICIDES
In 2008, the EPA ordered the Scotts company to recall two Miracle-Grow products because they contained trifuralin, a herbicide. This ingredient was not listed on the label. Herbicides are a commonly known carcinogen. Who knows what else is not listed, I don’t, its a trade secret.
ENVIRONMENT
Many of the ingredients in inorganic fertilizers do not come from sustainable resources. Coal and Gas are used to produce the nitrogen used in Miracle Grow. The excess salts that are not absorbed by the plants are washed into local water sources. These are the nutrients that responsible for excessive algae growth which create “dead zones” in our rivers, lakes and oceans (yes oceans).
Miracle Grow Soil is a peat based soil, peat is a non-renewable resource. Hyponex Soil is made from construction waste and sewage debris, not something I would taste.
OTHER INGREDIENTS
Miracle Grow potting soil contains OTHER INGREDIENTS, these include plastics, wetting agents and peat, a non sustainable resource. These ingredients have not been tested or proven to be safe for use with FOOD!!!!!> Most wetting agents are detergents and many are known carcinogens.
Miracle Grow does have an “organic” line of products, these also have wetting agents, peat, and who knows what else. In my opinion, who would want to support a billion dollar chemical company that is single handily responsible for polluting our environment and depleting the food we eat of nutrients, I don’t.
Anyhow, no, we don’t sell Miracle-Gro and we never will.
We do sell soil that is made with organic ingredients, worm droppings, leaves, compost, bird poop, all the stuff that makes for a list of THOUSANDS of available nutrients. All the stuff that makes plants grow better and food to taste better and all from renewable resources. All the soil we sell and use is made within 100 miles of our shop. We carry a few brands but Organic Mechanics is one of my favorites. I have met the dude who makes it, his name is Mark, and he is decent person, a person with a soul and a conscience. http://www.organicmechanicsoil.com/. That is a great foundation for healthy living.
Anyhow, enough with record store attitude, I have some growing to do.
Salts are not specific to MG, it's anything inorganic - doesn't count... the pesticides that were there years ago do not exist at this juncture.. unless you're baking bags of soil in your shed from more than a few years ago. Environment-related things.. they make you pay for in the cost.. you won't guilt trip me into not attempting an MG grow at one point in the future due to dead zones. A part of my lake is a dead zone due to Dow Chemical dumping highly toxic levels of mercury. The planet is going to hell, and losing more O3.. tis' a massive spiral anyway. Hold on tight for the ride! If To address the "other ingredients", not an issue at all there - just be happy it's not made in China, or it'd have heavy metal contamination (see: lead/mercury)

As for Hyponex outgrowing Black Gold.. that's a hell of a joke... am not sure why that comparison was even in the .PDF, and the reason the Hypnonex blows is due to the cheapass peat they're using of a specific type that has extremely low porosity in the big picture... not due to other things that may be in it .. but the others would just make it worse. Shitty compacted soil = shitty product. SISO.. shit in, shit out.
 

Figong

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Yes that is the only thing I have against me as of right now, but I use my head and have a fan blowing into my plants and not up at my ceiling where the insulation is, also if it makes you feel better I have had my medicine tested thank you very much and never once have they told me its moldy or unhealthy, so I'm sure they would let me know if my medicine had insulation in it. Also its mobile testing lab that test for me the people who test for the cannabis cup if that also makes you feel better.
As opposed to using a gas chromatograph that can't be mobile due to its size that costs a real amount of money, and has solid accuracy.. not a 5000 dollar device you can check on an airplane?

Real gas chromatograph:



(try checking that in your luggage, or producing the 750000.00 USD to buy it)

As for insulation, how do you propose they test for the makeup of insulation given how a gas chromatograph works? You have to have some idea how the machine works, or you wouldn't trust the results of it. Here's a bit of help: For them to tell you it exists, they have to have the dataset and various other things to go with it so the machine knows it exists at all.. more sets of data = more cost for them.
 

Dr Kynes

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Salts are not specific to MG, it's anything inorganic - doesn't count... the pesticides that were there years ago do not exist at this juncture.. unless you're baking bags of soil in your shed from more than a few years ago. Environment-related things.. they make you pay for in the cost.. you won't guilt trip me into not attempting an MG grow at one point in the future due to dead zones. A part of my lake is a dead zone due to Dow Chemical dumping highly toxic levels of mercury. The planet is going to hell, and losing more O3.. tis' a massive spiral anyway. Hold on tight for the ride! If To address the "other ingredients", not an issue at all there - just be happy it's not made in China, or it'd have heavy metal contamination (see: lead/mercury)

As for Hyponex outgrowing Black Gold.. that's a hell of a joke... am not sure why that comparison was even in the .PDF, and the reason the Hypnonex blows is due to the cheapass peat they're using of a specific type that has extremely low porosity in the big picture... not due to other things that may be in it .. but the others would just make it worse. Shitty compacted soil = shitty product. SISO.. shit in, shit out.
i gotta disagree. when growing plants, when you put some shit in, you get bomb ass produce out.
 

dopedeeii

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does miracle grow work for growing marijuana
Its so many other options try some happy frog first 16$ a bag indoors u want to control the environment etc.nutes light weather I'm not doubting it works but u can have a better yeild using something different
 

VTMi'kmaq

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sun-gro-horticulture-sunshine-mix-4-bail-mix-4-714745.jpgIf you could erase miracle grow in your mind and replace it with anything to start id suggest this! Cant go wrong with number 4!
 
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