When does Capitalism fail?

nontheist

Well-Known Member
$500,000 per job is a bit higher than what even most right wing think tanks give us, even the wildest estimates put it at about $400k a job.
HAHA So now the CBO is a right wing think tank?

now inflation is ever present, but it is low. milk is not $5 a gallon, you inbred hick. the price of a gallon of milk is the exact same as it was in august of 2007 and january of 2005.


A swing and a miss as usual, damn bucky are you ever correct about anything? I haven't seen one statement from you that has any real world evidence.

i'm not even going to humor you by further mentioning your talk of complicated unemployment projections based on a recession that got revised to be much worse since you are unable to even get the price of milk right, you three tooth having, sister fucking halfwit.
Translation: I don't want to talk about it because it shows exactly how Keynesian was a failure and I will have to spout bullshit in trying to make it appear differently. Please don't make me dredge up the promises the stimulus would accomplish. No one wants to smell your cock breath slinging bullshit as usual.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
HAHA So now the CBO is a right wing think tank?




A swing and a miss as usual, damn bucky are you ever correct about anything? I haven't seen one statement from you that has any real world evidence.



Translation: I don't want to talk about it because it shows exactly how Keynesian was a failure and I will have to spout bullshit in trying to make it appear differently. Please don't make me dredge up the promises the stimulus would accomplish. No one wants to smell your cock breath slinging bullshit as usual.
Everytime he gets under your skin he wins, and you become his bitch.

Just warning you, smallpenis.
 

nontheist

Well-Known Member
Everytime he gets under your skin he wins, and you become his bitch.

Just warning you, smallpenis.
He isn't getting under my skin it's quite the opposite. I love watching him squirm when I point out his bullshit which isn't hard and makes good entertainment. Your trolling has become too aggressive Harrekin it loses its effect when you try so hard.
 

bundee1

Well-Known Member
Democracy fails when capitalism gets control over the government. Capitalism fails when it runs out of resources and companies can no longer maintain a 2.5% growth rate to attract investors.

The first has happened here, the second happens in about 30 years.
The second is happening a lot faster than you think. A lot of companies arent generating true profits just savings on labor and benefits. Capitalism is failing as it is too topheavy.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
The second is happening a lot faster than you think. A lot of companies arent generating true profits just savings on labor and benefits. Capitalism is failing as it is too topheavy.
And thats the joys of the market, it'll reset itself.
 

abandonconflict

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For me capitalism simply describes who owns the means of production. With Marxism the government owns the businesses and thus the means of production. With socialism supposedly everyone owns everything but ultimately that requires some sort of government controls and therefore the government ends up owning the means of production there as well. Communism the same thing. All these ism's have political or government affiliation because there needs to be a means of control.

With capitalism the individual owns the means of production, the goods and services. It is different because it needs no control mechanism. The owner of the goods, service, means of production makes the decisions on how to allocate those resources.

Capitalism theoretically cannot succeed or fail as it is simply a descriptor of a certain type of ownership.
The phrase in italics holds true also for your conclusion, that capitalism is nothing more than a type of ownership (I agree). Control of resources and means of production IS power. To control resources is to reign. A government reigns or it preserves the reign of a class. Capitalism fails when a corporate gov't is no longer needed to preserve the reign of a class because said class can efficiently reign with out it.

Privatized military industrial complex anyone?
 

Canna Sylvan

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The second is happening a lot faster than you think. A lot of companies arent generating true profits just savings on labor and benefits. Capitalism is failing as it is too topheavy.
How are you posting that bullshit if capitalism is failing? Your post is proof capitalism is working just fine.
 

Canna Sylvan

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The second is happening a lot faster than you think. A lot of companies arent generating true profits just savings on labor and benefits. Capitalism is failing as it is too topheavy.
How are you posting that bullshit if capitalism is failing? Your post is proof capitalism is working just fine.
 

UncleBuck

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HAHA So now the CBO is a right wing think tank?
go ahead and produce the numbers, you inbred hick douchebag.



A swing and a miss as usual, damn bucky are you ever correct about anything? I haven't seen one statement from you that has any real world evidence.
milk is about the same price as it was over 8 years ago, you fucking idiot.

just because you shop at stores that take advantage of your southern ignorance doesn't mean that everyone does, you sister fucker.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost


Translation: I don't want to talk about it because it shows exactly how Keynesian was a failure and I will have to spout bullshit in trying to make it appear differently. Please don't make me dredge up the promises the stimulus would accomplish. No one wants to smell your cock breath slinging bullshit as usual.
so are you trying to contend that the recession wasn't revised to be worse than we even thought it was?

is that what you're saying?

go ahead and tell me that's what you're saying, you three tooth having, sister fucking, inbred hick douchebag.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
this is for you, nonsense-ist. this is why they are called "projections", you dumb fucking southern hick.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-07-29/economy/30684325_1_estimate-of-gdp-growth-spending-and-business-investment-main-drivers

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The U.S. recession was even deeper than previously thought, a new government report showed on Friday.
As part of an annual revision of data on U.S. gross domestic product, the Commerce Department said that the economy contracted by 5.1% between the fourth quarter of 2007 and the second quarter of 2009, more than the 4.1% previously estimated.
 

UncleBuck

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funny, here the CBO says the cost per job might be as low as $196,000. not $500,000 or $4.1 million.

why such wildly disparate numbers? because the CBO just punches in whatever numbers that partisan hacks tell them to.

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/jeffreeves/2011/09/03/cbo_cost_per_job_between_$196,750_and_$562,000/page/full/

but a dumbass inbred southern hick like nonsense-ist would NEVER understand that. just like he thinks that everyone pays the same price for a gallon of milk that he does.

what a fucking dolt.
 

Canna Sylvan

Well-Known Member
$200k, alright! Obama fucking rocks. He almost creates 1%ers. Why go to school for about 10 years to become a doctor, when Obama gives it for free!
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
sorry bro.

capitalism is strictly a fiscal policiy and an economic principle.

Socialism, and in fact the whole of marxism is an economic theory, and a political theory operating in tandem.

much in the way islam is both a religion and a political movement.

and so is judaism.

and so is "dominionism" in christianty, and so is catholicism, etc etc etc...

capitalism is the idea that items have intrisic value based on Utility and desirability, and that value is modified by Scarcity.

EVERYBODY needs water to live, but everybody does not have a well outside their back door, or a river or lake in their back yard. as such somebody has to bring water to those who desire it, or offer it up from a central locartion

in ancient rome, water was free to all, from public fountains brought in at government expense through taxation. the apparatus and infrastructure of the water's transportation was paid by all, rich and poor and arrived in common fountains where all received the benefits. this is a Communal program, in that it is for the benefit of society as a whole, since a city without water is a ghost town. nobody sold water in rome, since it was FREE TO ALL, and you cant sell free stuff except to dumbasses. Unfortunately being free, everybody simply assumed the wells and fountains would tend to themselves, and the shit became raggedy and disgusting in short order. so the senate established that public houses bars and bath house operators would have to maintain the wells and fountains near their establishment as a part of their Civic Obligation. the abuse of common resources by the least conscientious (washing your laundry in the fountain basin where everybody draws their drink, shitting in the fountain, dumping trash in the fountain etc...) is the Achilles Heel of communism

in modern america all water is delivered directly to your house as part of a utility system where water use is metered and billed by usage, or assessed as a flat rate to all homes recieving water service. This is a capitalist system, since the water is delivered based upon your paying the bill. if you dont pay, your water gets shut off, or it is sold in plastic bottles at a criminal markup by dingbats who inform you that municipal water is poison, and their shit is awesome. thats Capitalism's Tradeoff, We are subject to Marketing.

in some municipalities, even if you have your own well you are still REQUIRED to have municipal water service, and you still get a bill every month for that service even if you do not use it. That's the ugly bastard child of Capitalism and Communism, Socialism. Socialism tells you what you may have, what you MUST do, and if you dont like it, theres always the Gulag. Socialism promises the same ideals as Communism, but invariably the apparatchiks live in Dachas on the black sea, and the plebs live in 12 story walkup apartment blocks riddled by crime hunger and desperation. Corruption and Self-Enrichment is the downfall of Socialism.
I remember that the bolded isn't specific to capitalism but is one of the axiomatic premises of economics, regardless of its stripe. cn
 

nontheist

Well-Known Member
go ahead and produce the numbers, you inbred hick douchebag.






milk is about the same price as it was over 8 years ago, you fucking idiot.


just because you shop at stores that take advantage of your southern ignorance doesn't mean that everyone does, you sister fucker.


http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost








so are you trying to contend that the recession wasn't revised to be worse than we even thought it was?


is that what you're saying?


go ahead and tell me that's what you're saying, you three tooth having, sister fucking, inbred hick douchebag.



LOL dead link what a fucking douche.


funny, here the CBO says the cost per job might be as low as $196,000. not $500,000 or $4.1 million.


why such wildly disparate numbers? because the CBO just punches in whatever numbers that partisan hacks tell them to.


http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/jeffreeves/2011/09/03/cbo_cost_per_job_between_$196,750_and_$562,000/page/full/


but a dumbass inbred southern hick like nonsense-ist would NEVER understand that. just like he thinks that everyone pays the same price for a gallon of milk that he does.


what a fucking dolt.

HAHA market watch hell yeahs, we're getting closer to blogs now.


funny, here the CBO says the cost per job might be as low as $196,000. not $500,000 or $4.1 million.


why such wildly disparate numbers? because the CBO just punches in whatever numbers that partisan hacks tell them to.


http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/jeffreeves/2011/09/03/cbo_cost_per_job_between_$196,750_and_$562,000/page/full/


but a dumbass inbred southern hick like nonsense-ist would NEVER understand that. just like he thinks that everyone pays the same price for a gallon of milk that he does.


what a fucking dolt.





Cost Per Job Between $196,750 and $562,000 like how you removed the second number. Hell it says it all in the link. It was a fucking joke he could have gave that money to a crackhead and got the same result.


You just can't help slinging incompetent bullshit everywhere you go can you? Get your ass in the kitchen where you belong.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
$500,000 per job is a bit higher than what even most right wing think tanks give us, even the wildest estimates put it at about $400k a job. considering half of the ARRA was tax breaks for people like you and me, that's not that bad. consider the costs of employing someone for 2+ years who is competent enough to build the highway you drive on, and the amount of materials per worker used. it's not like some untrained, unskilled moron like you built a highway out of pixie dust. there's lots of materials and machines involved. those materials purchased and machines used all inject demand into the economy as well, employing other people.

now inflation is ever present, but it is low. milk is not $5 a gallon, you inbred hick. the price of a gallon of milk is the exact same as it was in august of 2007 and january of 2005.

i'm not even going to humor you by further mentioning your talk of complicated unemployment projections based on a recession that got revised to be much worse since you are unable to even get the price of milk right, you three tooth having, sister fucking halfwit.
Locally it's risen by almost a buck per gallon in that timespan. cn
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
LOL dead link what a fucking douche
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap

go ahead and look it up here then, douchebag.



HAHA market watch hell yeahs, we're getting closer to blogs now.

so are you saying that the numbers weren't revised to show that the recession was worse than we thought?

is that what you're saying?


Cost Per Job Between $196,750 and $562,000 like how you removed the second number. Hell it says it all in the link. It was a fucking joke he could have gave that money to a crackhead and got the same result.


You just can help but sling incompetent bullshit everywhere you go can you. Get your ass in the kitchen where you belong.
and you never mentioned the first number, yet you condemn me mentioning the second?

you fucking retard. get back in your sister's womb where you came from, you fucking inbred hick.

good job on breaking out the crayons, you probably had them lying around after using them to seduce your 7 year old cousin/brother.
 
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