Eye Hortilux vs SunPulse - "High Times" says Hortilux=DEATH
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Fonzarelli
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There's not much to worry about if you already spent the cash on Sunpulse. In the future though look at the aquarium MH they are high quality at lower price.
I've found lamps identical to Hortilux Blue at almost half the price. Iwasaki 400w is the same as Hortilux. These horticulture guys are just slapping their label on the same product and calling it horticultural when they are the same as aquarium lamps.
I've even discovered that the SA for the 1000w Hortilux blue is different than the 400w. The 1000w has a HUGE amount of energy in the 525nm green compared to the 400w.
That being said, you will get better results with 2x 400w Hortilux Blue over 1x 1000w.
I've found lamps identical to Hortilux Blue at almost half the price. Iwasaki 400w is the same as Hortilux. These horticulture guys are just slapping their label on the same product and calling it horticultural when they are the same as aquarium lamps.
I've even discovered that the SA for the 1000w Hortilux blue is different than the 400w. The 1000w has a HUGE amount of energy in the 525nm green compared to the 400w.
That being said, you will get better results with 2x 400w Hortilux Blue over 1x 1000w.
vilify
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that would be much appreciated.
Kite High
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I have been stating over and over that sunpulse was merely manipulating the green and yellow portions to achieve the K temps.... doesn't change ANYTHING as far as plants go
Sunpulse are NOT using quartz glass formulations so their uv claims are moot
dbkick
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already spent the cash on some very lightly used ones, 25 bux a pop for 1000w and 600w 10k and 3k so I'm not out much, the solis-tek 4k I bought new at the grow expo for 60 bux . bought 2 lightly used 1kw hortilux blue for 25 bux a pop too. used here doesn't bring much. so how would you say the spectrum of the 1kw blue is if it were dimmed to 600?
dbkick
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they may not use quartz but they use decent glass, low iron. all they claim is that their lamps emit more uv than most mh.
this from the scientist...
When you ask how much UV our lamps put out, I do have to ask you, .....compared to what? A doped MH lamp for humans? An HPS made for street lighting? A fluorescent T-5? What's the reference? I don't mean you, but if people scrutinized what they were using as much as we get scrutinized, they'd throw their other lamps in the garbage. There's no life science in commercial street lighting.
they danced around questions a lot, I'll say that.
Fonzarelli
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I have a Science and Art degree with a focus on Glass Art. I mixed/melted the raw materials to make the glass. I'm also a boro lamp worker and know the materials that go into the products. Boro is what is used for making the MH and HPS lights. At least they SHOULD be using boro. Maybe in China they are cheaping out and that is why some people are getting SunPulse lamps that are melting.
Anyway, I want to make a point here that may make you laugh or make you cry. I really can't stand when these false companies start advertising things like "zero calorie" drinking water, or 100% Natural Flavoring as if the word "natural" makes it better.
This company is saying "low iron" in the same manner. Iron is used as a colorant in glass. I highly doubt there is ANY iron in the glass used to make HID lighting. Now, maybe in China they are using iron in their glass because it's cheap, who the fuck knows. But if you do a little research you will find this:
Borosilicate glass recipe: 80% silica, 13% boric oxide, 4% sodium oxide, and 2-3% aluminum oxide
As you can see there is no Iron in the glass. If there were iron in the glass it would be opaque because iron gives you rainbow like colors when added to glass.
So my point is, they can go ahead an advertise "low-iron" in their glass when yeah it IS true, but it's the same as saying "zero-calorie" water and some how getting your customers to believe that YOUR water is the better choice.
Sunpulse is really good at doing this. They claim that if you combine all their lamps together you will get the best spectrum when in actuality ALL of their lamps have the SAME spectrum with varying amounts of green and yellow-orange wavelength.
I can and will post some spectrum charts of Sunpulse and a few others for all who are interested. It will blow your mind.
Gotta be careful in this industry. Lots of phoneys. And they aren't lying, they are just playing dumb.
Fonzarelli
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Here's the SA for Sunpulse 3k,
Here is the SA for Hamilton Technology True 10k,
And just for comparison, here is the SA for Hortilux HPS so you can compare it to the one on their packaging. This SA is more accurate,
As you can see, the Sunpulse lamp's energy focuses mainly on green and yellow and maybe a little bit of yellow-orange. Not so great for flowering although it will work especially if combined with the Kessil Red h150s, but you need at least 4 of them combined with a 1000w MH.
I like to use the Hamilton Tecnology 6.4k with the 4 Kessil h150 Reds. Here is a combined real life SA of that light source,
I can't tell you the "Kelvin" rating, as if it even matters, but if I was to guess it would probably be less than 3k. And the more Kessil red h150s you add the lower the Kelvin rating.
Here is the SA for Hamilton Technology True 10k,
And just for comparison, here is the SA for Hortilux HPS so you can compare it to the one on their packaging. This SA is more accurate,
As you can see, the Sunpulse lamp's energy focuses mainly on green and yellow and maybe a little bit of yellow-orange. Not so great for flowering although it will work especially if combined with the Kessil Red h150s, but you need at least 4 of them combined with a 1000w MH.
I like to use the Hamilton Tecnology 6.4k with the 4 Kessil h150 Reds. Here is a combined real life SA of that light source,
I can't tell you the "Kelvin" rating, as if it even matters, but if I was to guess it would probably be less than 3k. And the more Kessil red h150s you add the lower the Kelvin rating.
Fonzarelli
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And just so everyone knows, this is what the spectrum of the Sun looks like on a sunny afternoon in the Fall. Not even possible for a MH to come ANYWHERE CLOSE to matching the Sun's spectrum. LMAO!
Fonzarelli
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I have had good success with the Sunpulse 1000w 3k combined with 4 of the Kessil H150 Reds. I get really good quality due to the blue in the MH and I get good bud density due to the yellow to red and deep red wavelengths from both the MH and the LEDs.
BUT, and this is a big but, I will never recommend these MH because they are simply outrageously over-priced, cheaply/poorly made, and their tech/support department is a one-man asshole band and he is totally full of shit shit shit!
So to sum it all up, Sunpulse lamps will work if they don't melt on you or fall apart before they get to your door, but in the long run they are a very expensive hassle.
The aquarium industry has some fine fine fine German made MH and you can get them in 4k, 5k, 7k, 10k, 12k, 14k, 20k and most of them work very nicely on E-ballasts. Just look!
BUT, and this is a big but, I will never recommend these MH because they are simply outrageously over-priced, cheaply/poorly made, and their tech/support department is a one-man asshole band and he is totally full of shit shit shit!
So to sum it all up, Sunpulse lamps will work if they don't melt on you or fall apart before they get to your door, but in the long run they are a very expensive hassle.
The aquarium industry has some fine fine fine German made MH and you can get them in 4k, 5k, 7k, 10k, 12k, 14k, 20k and most of them work very nicely on E-ballasts. Just look!
polyarcturus
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not really if its too thin transmission would be all UV rays and the composition of the glass is the most important factor. thinness not so much.
polyarcturus
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damn that spd for the 3k sunpulse lying mtherfuckers(sunpulse) hell there isnt even any UVa
IM TELLING YOU db THEY BE LYING AND THIER CHARTS ARE WACK!
IM TELLING YOU db THEY BE LYING AND THIER CHARTS ARE WACK!
Kite High
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I was contemplating and now you just made up my mind to supplement Kessils red in flower and blues in veg...thank you
Kite High
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This is the closest in a single lamp I have found...BUT I also supplement with T5 ho and MH uvb lamps...and in the not too distant future some Kessils
Fonzarelli
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Phillips CMH 400w's have been pulled from the market. They are being replaced with CDMs whatever that is at 315w. I guess they have a slightly different spectrum, but I don't know for sure. I'm going to start using HPS again, but combined with Deep blue/Blue/Red/Deep red LED to complete the spectrum. I was doing this with MH, but I want to see if HPS does any better since they have a higher spectra absorbance rate.
Fonzarelli
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Those h150 kessils are not the greatest in quality for the price they ask. Make sure you find them for around $170 if you are able. They shouldn't be more than $100 each IMO.
If you can do it yourself for the red LEDs it's the cheaper route.
polyarcturus
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so far ive had the best luck with MH combined with a red dom LED and hps paired with t5 actinic bulbs
chuck estevez
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not pulled from the market, they just aren't making anymore, you can still get what's left.http://www.advancedtechlighting.com/cdmed18.htm