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woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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In consideration of what threads belong as Advanced Cultivation topics, its obvious to most that many are missing here. I am opening the floor for debate.

I would like to see an LST thread made that is less inquiry, and more informational. If someone would like to take on this thread, I would be happy to work with you on links, resources, images, etc. but I am (as are most) interested in seeing a respectable, organized, well written peice on this topic. The current LST thread is full of great info, comments, and friends but lacks a functional introduction. I think you folks are up to bat on this one most likely. Thanks.


NPK - Calculating NPK (sticky it? or create a new?)

Advanced Training Techniques - I like the idea of pulling into one place, a good run down of what seasoned growers practice, and why. Personally, after having instructed cannabis cultivation classes, I would consider most folks "advanced" growers on average, if their bag of tricks includes the known methods and techniques of training. More, if they can give pros and cons to each. If we create a page, the resource of information regarding all techniques grows and likely will progress in development more quickly.

Organics and Veganics - We have a divide in "Organics" and "Advanced Cultivation" sections here at RIU. The issue for me however, is that as you will likely see when visiting that section, its VERY advanced in many regards. Walking into organic gardening seems easy, but there is allot to learn. A divide between learning, and continuing education could be had here. A thread here would be nice.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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yes i agree woodsman, great ideas! the one about the organics is a great point! way too many conversations had over there, even by mysef that would hve been better placed over here.

a thread on extractions for plant fertilizers(aka DIY organics nutrients) and boosters would be nice.


and really my straw media thread should have made its way over here too, since im not "all organic"
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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For starts, any one that would title a training method as "Low Stress Training" is a noob who assumes that topping induces stress, which it doesn't. I can only laugh.

There is a lot to learn regarding organic gardening, "what's in that stuff you're using?" Organic gardening is all about chemicals, another oxymoron that is pure cult and ideology for 99% of the purists. I have yet to see an organic purist know anything about the makeup of their organics. If you don't know the NPK and trace element values you're applying with your organic ways, then you need to do some lab analysis.

I think this place needs a defoliation thread. :bigjoint:

UB
 
cannawizard

cannawizard

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The LST thread would just centralize all the "what/how to/etc questions about LST" into one main thread.. It is for those who want to LST --which is pretty much (controlled growth) of a particular plant.. If they had a "Topping" question they should head over to UB's thread.. I agree that topping DOES NOT induce stress if done properly, but the main point here is just to have a thread for the LST practitioners~

AND from what AMC has experienced with "defol" type threads, I'm suggesting to other AMC Mods just to move those under General (unless the OP of that defol thread) actually posts a valid approach concerning the method and actually shows the science behind it... (which was *recommended* by some members)
 
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Vincent VonBlown

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"I agree that topping DOES NOT induce stress if done properly."

That sounds like a trick answer. lol

What happens when you remove any part of the plant?
Especially the dominant grow tip?

It looks like to me when you top a plant, it shuts down or turns off for a period. Before it starts growing at the same pace again. Isn't that what your seeing? I also notice on some of my plants when I top them, that the outter fan leaf will look somewhat distressed before it starts to rebound, and the plant takes off growing again.

And I've also seen smaller plants die from being pruned to much. So, I would say yes you are causing stress for the plant short term, by ripping some of it off. And of course that's only logical isn't it? I mean if you could rejuvinate like a plant, you probably still wouldn't like part of you being removed with force, would you?
 
cannawizard

cannawizard

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Vincent VonBlown said:
"I agree that topping DOES NOT induce stress if done properly."

That sounds like a trick answer. lol

What happens when you remove any part of the plant?
Especially the dominant grow tip?

It looks like to me when you top a plant, it shuts down or turns off for a period. Before it starts growing at the same pace again. Isn't that what your seeing? I also notice on some of my plants when I top them, that the outter fan leaf will look somewhat distressed before it starts to rebound, and the plant takes off growing again.

And I've also seen smaller plants die from being pruned to much. So, I would say yes you are causing stress for the plant short term, by ripping some of it off. And of course that's only logical isn't it? I mean if you could rejuvinate like a plant, you probably still wouldn't like part of you being removed with force, would you?
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Lol.. it does sound like a trick answer, and just to be blunt.. Yes, anything to do with cutting, pulling, removing anything on the plant "would" cause some sort of "cellular response".. i'm not certain, so I will not state it is "stress" ;)

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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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UncleBuck said:
got my penis stuck in the oscillating fan. what did i do wrong?
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Didn't mama ever teach you, you don't piss into the wind?

I have literally pruned 10's of thousands of trees and other plant material in my days (which includes topping of course) and by my definition of "stress" it does not affect them regarding vigor or health issues. While dormant such as the case with fruit, nut trees, grapevines, berries..... it's a moot point. If out of dormancy and growing normally the plant sits there for a while until the hormones are re-distributed as I articulated in my topping thread. Everything else remains the same including plant processes at the cellular level. (What other level would there be?)

Now, I've seen a lot of you guys actually stress out a plant whereby it decrease vigor and overall health, subjecting it to disease and pest pressures. You do that with too much voodoo juices, too much water or too little, too much or too little light, too much heat, etc. All outside influences that you have not learned to manage.

As pointed out in my thread, when I top a cannabis seedling it always responds with new output within 24 hours. Has nothing to do with stress.. Nothing else happens to the overall health of the plant - all tissue remains healthy. There is no decline in the quality or bulk of the root system (in fact it keeps on growing), the stems, the remaining leaves.

Accordingly, this "low stress" training crap is just a bunch of rhetoric made up by some noob to sound like he's re-invented the wheel.

UB
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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LST thread it is. ;)

Scrog is a fancy name for trellis. Who gives...

Hats off to folks giving names to ganga related garden practice. "topping" "fimming" ..
 
woodsmantoker

woodsmantoker

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Have you ever topped a clone? Sure you have. Have you ever topped one a day after you took it, side by side with another that was not topped? Ever compare the difference in topping a mother plants branch before it is taken as a clone vs, after so as to compare rates of growth etc? I am curious to know why some of my plants respond poorly to topping? I have a landrace sativa that once topped, changes growth pattern and the leaf becomes singular and growth is slow. I have listed the strains that respond similarly in my writting. I am also curious to know why some plants that I "train" for scrog, by bending the branches down and securing them, respond in the same manner. All my controls point to an answer but i dont want to jump the gun here ;)

UB, could you elaborate considering the threads subject was changed by yourself please?
 
HeartlandHank

HeartlandHank

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I guess I am in the minority here. I don't see how topping or lst belongs in an Advanced MJ cultivation section. They both seem like the sort of thing you do once or twice and then you know how to do it..? I'm missing something..? Sounds more like newb section.

Does anyone who would consider themselves beyond "newb" not know how to top or LST to get their desired affect?
 
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