Wealth distribution in the US
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UncleBuck
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who supplies the GMO soy for the soy lecithin, and the GMO corn for the HFCS?
Harrekin
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Dr Kynes
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really. you are a fool.
The Choom-Boy in Chief is a hypocrite, but so are you
he is a fool, and so are you.
he thinks he has some glorious Mandate of Heaven, and so do you.
i suspect you may actually be Bwana Obama, trying desperately to increase your positives in any forum where you can insert yourself.
ginwilly
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Herrekin, I know you know infinitely more about our government than the vast majority of us know about yours so I may be stating the obvious to you, if so, apologies.
FDA is our food and drug agency (formed to protect us from nefarious food and drug people). It's also stacked with former Monsanto execs that tell us this shit is good for us. Big Pharma controls the drug side of the FDA doing the same deadly practice. Our Financial oversight agencies (multiple) are stacked with Gold Mansachs ex execs. Our national labor board is run by union thugs. The head of the IRS is a tax cheat but will arrest you. Our commander in chief wouldn't have been allowed high level security clearance because of his associations if not for his presidency. We've ceded so much control to central planning that we no longer know what's what anymore and just sit around and wait to be told. I think the only correct answer is to limit this power, not rely on them to police themselves.
I blame Monsanto for what's happened to our corn industry, though that's probably unfair, they played a role, but likely more minor than I give them credit for. I challenge anyone to find any pre-packaged food that doesn't have some sort of corn product in it. Corn, that thanks to the genius and lust for ethanol has been so modified that our body no longer processes it properly. The cheapest foods here have the most fillers. We are fattening up and just can't understand why health care costs are also fattening.
Dr Kynes
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high fructose corn syrup does not require GMO corn, nor do soya based lecithin products require GMO soya.
monsanto provides agricultural and chemical products, the actual farming and distribution is handled by other organizations who are NOT monsanto, but in your exampole, the answer to your question is:
Q: "who supplies the GMO soy for the soy lecithin, and the GMO corn for the HFCS?"
A: Archer Daniels Midland, IGA, and numerous independent and corporate farms. NOT MONSANTO!
UncleBuck
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so are these farmers not planting roundup ready GMO seeds to increase their bushels per acre?
Dr Kynes
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nope. roundup ready doesnt increase yeilds. in fact many cultivars of soya and corn which are not GMO's produce much bigger yields per acre of tillage.
roundup ready crops offer the promise of weeding by aerial spraying, not larger yields.
this weeding is not, as you might assume, to increase yield either, since the weeds arent really much competition once your fields are established. herbicide weeding is done to facilitate mechanical harvesting.
roundup ready is mostly a failure since the plant is RESISTANT to glyphosate, not immune, and thus the glyphosate spraying damages your crop, while hopefully eliminating the weeds. it';s a fools tradeoff, and it only works for the largest of the mechanized farms.
for everybody else, the "gmo revolution" has been all sizzle, no steak.
cannabineer
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Harrekin
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Wow, you call us retards then type like that...
Winter Woman
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They claim Roundup is inert as soon as it dries. But, the residuals are still there and still on the crops. So it's more than likely that we are consuming those residuals, not a good thing.
Do you remember Atrazine? I think I spelled that right. I know of a person that went to jail on a tiny Caribbean island for using it. He contaminated their aquifers. Maybe they are smarter than we are.
Dr Kynes
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roundup is not inert as soon as it dires, thats instructions for home use.
glyphosate has a period of about 3 days in the environment, after that it is degraded to uselessness by bacterium, UV light and other environmental effects.
glyphosate is non-penetrative, it does not soak into plant tissues, fruits grains or any part of the plant save the roots where it acts on PLANT enzyme function, enzymes which no mammal has.
the most dangers component of any glyphosate mixture or preparation to mammals is the surfactants (basically dishsoap) used to make it mix evenly with 3water for spraying.
you could drink the shit, LD 50 for mice is 5600mg/kg which is a LOT, sodium flouride (the stuff in your drinking water) kills mice at 10 mg/kg. ~http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html
according the the european union's latest report on roundup/glyphosate, "under present and expected conditions of new use, there is no potential for Roundup herbicide to pose a health risk to humans" ~http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/ph_ps/pro/eva/existing/list1_glyphosate_en.pdf
dont believe the hype. glyphosate kills plants dead, but the only injury i ever heard of involving it, is when somebody slipped in a puddle of it.
cannabineer
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It has to be penetrative if a foliar application leads to root death. cn
Dr Kynes
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it's penetrative in the sense it can be taken up by the spicules, but it's primary action is at the roots. hosing the foliage will often fail to kill persistent weeds like dandelions or spurge, for that you have to hit the rootzone, and when you do that, foliar spraying is unneeded. foliar spraying is the least effective, and requires higher concentration mixes, and more of the solution, targeted application is the most effective, least expensive, and least hazardous to the environment (it can fuck up amphibians and fish)
if you get some on a plant you don't intend to kill, a quick rinse with water will prevent almost all damage if done before the product dries, or is taken up through the spicules (the secondary reason for the surfactants)
get some on the rootzone, and the plant is toast.
the general ineffectiveness through foliar spraying is why glyphosate resistance is appearing in many plants, including coca. check this out... http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.11/columbia.html?pg=1&topic=columbia&topic_set=
the DEA has created a monster with their haphazard aerial coca spraying. they kill more food crops and forests than coca these days.
naturally for home use, roundup is recommended as a Drench (at 30-40% solution) so they can sell more units, but if you target the roots of the weeds, a 5% solution is devastating, in far lower overall volume to boot. one 12 ounce bottle of commercial roundup could clear a 1/4 acre if you use it correctly.
Winter Woman
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Glyphosate is systemic. Let's say a drop of glyphosate falls on only one leaf. That drop is taken in by the plant, it travels to the roots, usually at night. Then the next day the plant sends out all the good nutrients (along with the glyphosate) to the other parts of the plant that is above ground. At this point glyphosate is now for all practical purposes in every cell of the plant and destroys the cells and kills the plant.
Inert means that the chemical is deficient in active properties. Glyphosate is safe to walk on as soon as it dries as it is now inert. At this stage it will not kill anything else if it should touch it.
It is true that in a ready to use solution of Coca-Cola is more deadly that ready to use Roundup. Same is true for 2-4-D. And with most (not all) turf pesticides.
And that is not residential only- it is for all uses.
Dr Kynes
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foliar spraying or a drop on a single leaf wont kill most plants unless you drench them. application to the root zone is where it works best. if you get some on a few leafs those leafs will die, but generally an established plant will not.
it takes a LOT to kill a plant from foliar spraying, which is why they suggest this as a method. it sells more units. a little bit on the leafs will not travel to the roots and slay an established plant, it just doesnt work that way unless you go nuts.
occasionally there would be an inadvertent application to plants which were not intended for death, an example would be, one time, a sprayer trigger got hooked on a saddle spraying down a grape vine. the leaves that were hit all died, and the rest yellowed, but the plant recovered despite having about half it's foliage wiped out. that year it didnt fruit, but the next year it produced normally.
i used the shit professionally for years, and the only time we used it as a drench was for spurge, and thats only because spurge is delicious but deadly to livestock. when spurge pops up you have to stomp it down or your pasture becomes a spurge garden littered with the rotting corpses of sheep cattle horses chickens and goats.
for every other use it was carefully targeted at the roots of the weeds. even a light spray of a 5% solution around the base of a grape vine wont harm the grape but kills the grasses and weeds which provide a haven for rodents aphids and glassy winged sharpshooters. it's short duration in the soil prevents the product from reaching the roots of the grape, but beats the hell out of even dandelions.
Canna Sylvan
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So you're one of those compassionate vegans?
To that all I can say is.
Nothing personal.
Canna Sylvan
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Hence the nothing personal.