Herb Man's First Grow (In Soil)

[Ninjabowler]

Lol, I'm keeping a very close eye on them after this scare

Seems kinda strange now that I'm two thirds in.

Seemed like climbing a mountain at first, onwards and upwards.

Your only half way there, theres still five or so weeks of flower, two to five days of drying and two weeks of curing, onwards and upwards

 

[Herb Man]

Your only half way there, theres still five or so weeks of flower, two to five days of drying and two weeks of curing, onwards and upwards

Haha, two thirds of the grow my dear fellow, two thirds of the grow.

I've seperated the drying and curing to make the mountain look smaller.

And guess what?

It works

 

[Herb Man]

Opinions please:

At what stage of the grow do you tend to Lollipop?

 

[Herb Man]

And while I'm here:

A picture of my first successful clone (at 1 week 2 days in her pot) and her little friend Presidential OG.

These are in training for my next grow, just giving you a peak.



I have heard that Clones tend to grow smaller than the mother and need a longer veg time.

Is this true or false (speak from experience) thank you.

 

[Ninjabowler]

Opinions please:

At what stage of the grow do you tend to Lollipop?

two weeks after you flip the lights, when all the bud sites start to show is what i do. I take out all the smallest and lowest ones. Nobody ever actually showed me how to do it but it seems to work, i just got some pics the other day, ill see if one shows it good....

And while I'm here:

A picture of my first successful clone (at 1 week 2 days in her pot) and her little friend Presidential OG.

These are in training for my next grow, just giving you a peak.

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I have heard that Clones tend to grow smaller than the mother and need a longer veg time.

Is this true or false (speak from experience) thank you.

and while im giving two pennys, third set of clones from a seed and they just keep getting bigger or staying the same size. The plant in the pic is the mother and all her babies are bigger than her and had less veg time. I think they might yield less(for now, who knows, maybe more) but they have grown taller with less veg time. I am not a doctor on this topic though, thats just my one story on that an ya, on that note.........ninja vanish

 

[Sincerely420]

Opinions please:

At what stage of the grow do you tend to Lollipop?

You don't bro. You leave the leaves until they're 50% dead or better! Lollipopping hurt the yeild of my last plant harvested i think...
Yielded only 2 3/4 oz and was vegged for 5wks! Should have avd could have gotten at least 3 had I left the leaves I know..
So every leaf you cut you can look at it as a little more bud unless you plan to extreme defoliate to train the plant bro...

I don't listen really to what ppl say all the time, and defoliating was me going against advice i got not to...
I don't plan on doing it ever again FYI

 

[Herb Man]

two weeks after you flip the lights, when all the bud sites start to show is what i do. I take out all the smallest and lowest ones.


...third set of clones from a seed and they just keep getting bigger or staying the same size.

on that note.........ninja vanish

Thanks Ninja.

 

[Herb Man]

You don't bro. You leave the leaves until they're 50% dead or better! Lollipopping hurt the yeild of my last plant harvested i think...
Yielded only 2 3/4 oz and was vegged for 5wks! Should have avd could have gotten at least 3 had I left the leaves I know..
So every leaf you cut you can look at it as a little more bud unless you plan to extreme defoliate to train the plant bro...

I don't listen really to what ppl say all the time, and defoliating was me going against advice i got not to...
I don't plan on doing it ever again FYI

[FONT=&quot]Hmmm, that’s really interesting.

There are clearly two schools of thought on this.

The one school has it that cutting the under growth diverts energy to growing buds.

The other school has it that you are losing bud.

Personally I think it might suit some plants and perhaps not others,

I gave this crop a late lollipop, some under branches just weren't getting enough light, to develop, so I lopped them off.

I liked it, but like I said it might suit some strains more than others.

It's certainly something I want to experiment with in the future.

I may take a future plant and leave only 6 Cola's on it in flowering, then compare it's yield to that of an uncut sister plant.

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[Sincerely420]

Lol....I spent maybe a month reading about it before I came to the conclusion to just try it.
The logic I came up with(or convinced myseld of) was that HID would only penetrate 12-18" and the bottom part of the plant wouldn't get light so leaves don't need to be there...
Also that defoliating would remove the "light blocking" leaves lol....There are none haha...There's light intensity, and not lol...that's that!
All leaves are used to produce! None are light blockers....Less leaves, less production. That's been my conclusion after after my first and last bout experience defoliation lol.
Hopefully you come to your conclusion as swift lol! I started on the side saying that defoliation could work for better yeilds lol...Oops!
Maybe if you EXTREME defoliation during veg...But I do not think during flowering you should defoliate!

I think both schools have points lol just depends on your situation!
If you got a 3 foot plants growing under CFLs being lit from the top, you should prob defoliation lol.
If you have an 18" plant under a 400w or 600w light, there shouldn't be a need to defoliation! Everything will be getting lit!

But yeahh I used to think just like you lol. Like 3 months ago maybe lol. Then I just kept reading.....Not saying you're not right...Just waiting on you agree with me after you give it a run lol!

Good luck hustling boss

 

[EasyPound]

Leaves are kinda natures version of a solar panel = takes in energy to grow, sustain life..... Leave the leaves on

 

[Astral Zoom]

I tend to think that marijuana is a highly evolved species and whatever leaf formation It has is there for a reason so I like to not lolly a lot.

That being said, we are generally not dealing with these plants natural light sorce so maybe there are too many lower leafs that do not help...

I agree with cutting leaves that are >50% damaged but I also prune some shaded leaves...

But run that experiment herb man! Id love to see the outcome, hell I might do it as well.

I got 7 3week old vegin so might go crazy scientist on one or two

muahahahha gl

 

[Ninjabowler]

Lol....I spent maybe a month reading about it before I came to the conclusion to just try it.
The logic I came up with(or convinced myseld of) was that HID would only penetrate 12-18" and the bottom part of the plant wouldn't get light so leaves don't need to be there...
Also that defoliating would remove the "light blocking" leaves lol....There are none haha...There's light intensity, and not lol...that's that!
All leaves are used to produce! None are light blockers....Less leaves, less production. That's been my conclusion after after my first and last bout experience defoliation lol.
Hopefully you come to your conclusion as swift lol! I started on the side saying that defoliation could work for better yeilds lol...Oops!
Maybe if you EXTREME defoliation during veg...But I do not think during flowering you should defoliate!

I think both schools have points lol just depends on your situation!
If you got a 3 foot plants growing under CFLs being lit from the top, you should prob defoliation lol.
If you have an 18" plant under a 400w or 600w light, there shouldn't be a need to defoliation! Everything will be getting lit!

But yeahh I used to think just like you lol. Like 3 months ago maybe lol. Then I just kept reading.....Not saying you're not right...Just waiting on you agree with me after you give it a run lol!

Good luck hustling boss

Great post and good points. I defoliate as a ventilation aid. My RH is really high like 50/60% because of where i live and my girls tend to get big so they fill up my area. I do it so i get better ventilation. I also dont like small popcorn buds. I believe that shell make around the same amount of bud either way unless you defoliate later into flower, then i believe you will just loose weight. I defoled five feeks into flower due to a friends advice and compared wieghts on four plants two different varietals. Defol lost. But i also defoled a plant once really early into flower that was a piece of crap plant, lollypoped it haaaard and had really good results. No popcorn, just nice long fat buds. It did way better than its crappy sisters. That guy lollypops all his plants now

 

[Herb Man]

I tend to think that marijuana is a highly evolved species and whatever leaf formation It has is there for a reason so I like to not lolly a lot.

That being said, we are generally not dealing with these plants natural light sorce so maybe there are too many lower leafs that do not help...

I agree with cutting leaves that are >50% damaged but I also prune some shaded leaves...

But run that experiment herb man! Id love to see the outcome, hell I might do it as well.

I got 7 3week old vegin so might go crazy scientist on one or two

muahahahha gl

[FONT=&quot]Do it, I'm gonna do some weight comparison test's on my next grow.

Won’t document the grow in this format, but I will document and publish the tests and results.

I'm all about learning and separating facts from fiction. [/FONT]

 

[Sincerely420]

Lol.....Waiiittttttttt For Itttttttttt!

Just saying now that I posted to try and save you some time lol! But like you said bro, it could VERY well be strain dependent...IDK lol...I'm just done with it!
Maybe experiment in veg lol...But if you experiment with it during flower lol I'm taking it as a slap in the face to my trying to help you haha!
Seriously....

If you gotta shaded leaves indoor then you need to increase your light footprint bro.
And even tho some leaves might look like they're shaded...They're not lol. A lot of light actually passes right thru the leaves...We just can't see it that.
Indoor you need to keep your plants short by training them.....When you keep them short and have adequate enough light penetration, ALL leaves stay green until the very last couple weeks! Assuming you got a good soil!

But I'm not saying its my way or the highway lol...Not even close. Just saying don't do it in flower or you'll be pissed at yourself afterwards.
I know because I been there and done that! Wasn't really pissed off at myself, but I know I took an L by defoliation in flower!

 

[Herb Man]

Lol....I spent maybe a month reading about it before I came to the conclusion to just try it.
The logic I came up with(or convinced myseld of) was that HID would only penetrate 12-18" and the bottom part of the plant wouldn't get light so leaves don't need to be there...
Also that defoliating would remove the "light blocking" leaves lol....There are none haha...There's light intensity, and not lol...that's that!
All leaves are used to produce! None are light blockers....Less leaves, less production. That's been my conclusion after after my first and last bout experience defoliation lol.

..............................

But yeahh I used to think just like you lol. Like 3 months ago maybe lol. Then I just kept reading.....Not saying you're not right...Just waiting on you agree with me after you give it a run lol!

Good luck hustling boss

Yep, nothing like experience to find out what works and what doesn't work for you.

I'm working on it.

I'll get back with the results at the conclusion of my next grow.

Right now for me, the jury is out.

I'll make up my mind in due course

 

[Herb Man]

Lol.....Waiiittttttttt For Itttttttttt!

Just saying now that I posted to try and save you some time lol! But like you said bro, it could VERY well be strain dependent...IDK lol...I'm just done with it!
Maybe experiment in veg lol...But if you experiment with it during flower lol I'm taking it as a slap in the face to my trying to help you haha!
Seriously....

Haha, your post was very much appreciated, I like people speaking from grow room experience.

My research indicates that it's best done in late veg, so we’re on the same page there

 

[DrKingGreen]

What a last page to jump back in on... Lollipopping. It makes zero sense (unless you need more elbow room to water and such). Just doesn't make any sense at all to grow out a 2 foot plant and then cut the bottom foot of viable energy producing parts off... Just grow a 1 foot plant lol. All leaves are producing carbs for the whole plant. Also, your tent has mylar in it. Those bottom leaves are getting some light, and as long as they are still green they are photosynthesizing. The more leaves, the bigger your buds are going to be, whether they reside on the top, bottom, or side of the plant. Your plant will as said before, shed leaves when it no longer needs them to finish producing healthy flowers.
I should mention i have been keeping the bottom part of my plant (2-3 inches) clean and cut any leaves that droop and touch the soil. This is for pest prevention.
Do as you wish, but if you do one, and then not the other for a side by side and the one with all leaves crushes the other (like I've seen in so many controlled experiments), you will be This is a skechers not nike instance... just don't do it lol You should be able to find plenty of scientific articles, studies, journals, etc. that will substantiate my pov

 

[Sincerely420]

Lol I feel like I'm Uncle Ben now lol and I have no respect for that guy even tho he knows so much.
Go look thru that defoliation thread and you'll see what I mean.
Dudes talking outta the side of his neck to ppl as if he knows them....

There were two defoliation threads lol. Both closed due to the jury at war lol
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/521700-fan-leafs-blockers-light-energy-53.html

That one I followed for a while haha some good stuff to take from it before you get to chopping lol!

This is def. a nice discussion for your thread tho! Maybe someone else will see it and provide some pics with their opinion so you make the right moves!

 

[Sincerely420]

Lol I feel like I'm Uncle Ben now lol and I have no respect for that guy even tho he knows so much.
Go look thru that defoliation thread and you'll see what I mean.
Dudes talking outta the side of his neck to ppl as if he knows them....

There were two defoliation threads lol. Both closed due to the jury at war lol
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/521700-fan-leafs-blockers-light-energy-53.html

That one I followed for a while haha some good stuff to take from it before you get to chopping lol!

This is def. a nice discussion for your thread tho! Maybe someone will see it and provide some pics with their opinion

About 27 tops & Lollipopped
The Yield was 2.7oz. Vegged under CFL. Flowered under CFL/T5VHO/150wHPS.

The colas on my un-lollipopped girls that got 1w 18/6 then went 12/12 are already bigger then all the colas I had my first time around!
More leaves means more solid buds all the way down the stem. Less leave mean smaller buds that don't really end up connecting into that fat ass cola that goes down to the bottom!
Gonna take pics or my girls a little later and I'll let you see the diff bro.

TOO funny they closed all the defoliation threads down hahaha

 

[DrKingGreen]

Yea, UB can be an asshole, but he gave me the best advice I have received on this forum one of my first days here. If it weren't for that advice I would be failing, I'm certain. He said something along the lines of, don't be a dumbass and go read read read until you understand plant function. THEN begin growing. That man shows a lack of respect for a lot of people, but at this point I'm almost on his side. People pushing pruning and lollipopping saying that it makes plants produce more have got to be trolling... I mean don't they? It just goes against every grain of botanical science. Until the science is proven wrong (and it will only be with more science lol), I'll stick to it. He has been growing for something like 45 years or something insane. He definitely knows his shit.