Firearms Freindly Collective?

[UncleBuck]

there would be better stats about how a gun in the house is more likely to kill you or your family than save you from an intruder, but the NRA got all butthurt about the CDC compiling those reports and lobbied it into law that they are no longer allowed to put out facts like that.

so much butthurt among the gun crowd.

 

[New Age United]

lol!

yeah right.

Honestly my sister grew up in mich and she was the only one of her friends that hadn't been raped. I live in the best place in the world, let me repeat THE best place to live in the world, this is Paradise, this is Utopia damn near, low crime, good economy and even here I have heard of a bunch of rapes man get your head out of your ass, or just get off the computer for a bit and see the real world.

 

[New Age United]

@ UncleBuck Good stuff bro you actually took my advice, that's good man seriously, get out there, look around, this world ain't nowhere near as bad as they say it is, but guess what, it's a lot worse than you say it is, don't let it go to your head, just take precaution, if I lived in the states I would def buy a gun lmao.

 

[CashCrops]

there would be better stats about how a gun in the house is more likely to kill you or your family than save you from an intruder, but the NRA got all butthurt about the CDC compiling those reports and lobbied it into law that they are no longer allowed to put out facts like that.

so much butthurt among the gun crowd.

Someones butt hurt huh?

 

[ProdigalSun]

I love the Stand Your Ground law and I wish we had this law in Canada, here we have the Excessive Force law, which means you can not use lethal force in your own defense unless lethal force is used against you, and this would be hard to prove so even if lethal force was used against you, you might end up in jail,.

So if they kill you, you can kill them back? Makes sense.

Michigans is a little better. If you are not in commission of a crime, you can use force, or deadly force if the following conditions apply. You have to honestly and reasonably believe that the force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm, or unwanted sexual penetration. And that the threat is imminent. There is also a presumption of innocence written into the statute in MCL 780.951

MCL 780.972

780.972 Use of deadly force by individual not engaged in commission of crime; conditions.Sec. 2.
(1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies:
(a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual.
(b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual.
(2) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses force other than deadly force may use force other than deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if he or she honestly and reasonably believes that the use of that force is necessary to defend himself or herself or another individual from the imminent unlawful use of force by another individual.

 

[mrbungle79]

You are on a slippery slope here. "I believe in the second amendment but..." A couple problems here. What if someone like senator frankenstein gets the position of deciding what training is necessary, who trains, and how much it costs? Bad idea.



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do you want your abusive alcoholic neighbor going to a ballgame of wherever with you carrying a loaded weapon knowing full well the guys a hot head and has had zero traing with his weapon? not me. i have no problem with anyone owning a weapon for their personal protection in their home. when it comes to carrying a loaded weapon in public yes you absolutely should be required to take more than one 8 hour class regardless if you are open carrying or not. those that carry with no more than the required training (which i don't know of anyone failing by the way) are putting myself and my family in jeopardy because they are ill prepared to handle most scenarios that may arise. and why should the cost of training matter? you can afford your weapon, ammo and pressumably range time correct? and as for who should be trained? anyone who wants to carry in public! i would feel much better going out with someone who's had several hours of shooting in different scenarios and taken several defensive shooting classes as opposed to someone who just bought a gun , took a cpl class and now thinks they are ready to stop a bank robbery or pull of a scene from some cop show. hey, but thats just me

 

[UncleBuck]

So if they kill you, you can kill them back? Makes sense.

Michigans is a little better. If you are not in commission of a crime, you can use force, or deadly force if the following conditions apply. You have to honestly and reasonably believe that the force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm, or unwanted sexual penetration. And that the threat is imminent. There is also a presumption of innocence written into the statute in MCL 780.951

MCL 780.972

780.972 Use of deadly force by individual not engaged in commission of crime; conditions.Sec. 2.
(1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies:
(a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual.
(b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual.
(2) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses force other than deadly force may use force other than deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if he or she honestly and reasonably believes that the use of that force is necessary to defend himself or herself or another individual from the imminent unlawful use of force by another individual.

so we have a guy who is too paranoid to put his gun down for two seconds to buy some pot who has basically memorized at exactly what point he can kill...gee. nothing curious about that.

homicidal gun nuts: giving the cannabis community a bad name since march 2013!

every time this guy posts, cannabis relegalization gets pushed backwards by 3 days. he's already pushed us back by over 4 years.

 

[ProdigalSun]

do you want your abusive alcoholic neighbor going to a ballgame of wherever with you carrying a loaded weapon knowing full well the guys a hot head and has had zero traing with his weapon? not me. i have no problem with anyone owning a weapon for their personal protection in their home. when it comes to carrying a loaded weapon in public yes you absolutely should be required to take more than one 8 hour class regardless if you are open carrying or not. those that carry with no more than the required training (which i don't know of anyone failing by the way) are putting myself and my family in jeopardy because they are ill prepared to handle most scenarios that may arise. and why should the cost of traing matter? you can afford your weapon, ammo and pressumably range time correct? and as for who should be trained? anyone who wants to carry in public! i would feel much better going out with someone who's had several hours of shooting in different scenarios and taken several defensive shooting classes as opposed to someone who just bought a gun , took a cpl class and now thinks they are ready to stop a bank robbery or pull of a scene from some cop show. hey, but thats just me

I can see your concern. Truth is, most people who do carry, do shoot...a fucking lot. They do it out of passion, and they do it because it's fucking fun. The average shooter has more range time than the average police officer. Not everyone can afford to add anything to their budget, but most peoples budget already includes training along with ammo and weapons costs. Training goes right in the "fun" column of gun enthusiasts. We understand that handing that type of power to the government would be largely redundant, but possibly detrimental to gun owners rights.

I honestly cant afford training right now. I paid for my guns 5$ at a time on layaway over the past several years. Slow, but it works. I reload too, which makes shooting for me, in a word, possible. Without reloading, I would be stuck. Although I can't afford training, I can take 50 cans I find back for enough deposit to load 100 rounds. That way, I have been able to shoot 20,000 rounds the past 3 years, not including a nice pile of .22s. I was shooting twice a week for most of last year.

Nobody I know has the immaturity to pull some tv show hotdog move with a gun. The gun is not a majic wand, truth be told, just levels the field.

 

[colonuggs]

there would be better stats about how a gun in the house is more likely to kill you or your family than save you from an intruder, but the NRA got all butthurt about the CDC compiling those reports and lobbied it into law that they are no longer allowed to put out facts like that.

so much butthurt among the gun crowd.

Hahaha try to break into my home I live in Colorado I can and will shoot you DEAD as soon as I see your foot, hand or head "Legally without consequences"

The "Make My Day" law in Colorado allows homeowners or occupants to use deadly force against individuals who enter their dwellings unlawfully. The law is detailed in Colorado Revised Statutes 18-1-704.5, titled "Use of deadly physical force against an intruder."

Shit... Ill shoot you then drag you in my house I bring my weapons to movie theaters too....Hmmm wonder why??? Crazy mofos in this world... some people have seen and experience lot of bad shit...not everyone has a beautiful world to live in

 

[UncleBuck]

Hahaha try to break into my home I live in Colorado I can shoot you DEAD as soon as I see your foot "Legally without consequences"Shit... Ill shoot you then drag you in my house

"i'll shoot you" is less of a rebuttal and more of an admission that you've reached the end of your (diminutive) mental rope.

 

[colonuggs]

Ill shoot you...means your ass is in the wrong house...at the wrong time.. Colorado State law says Im in the right too....Ever hear the expression "DONT BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT" I'm a combat vet so fuck with me!!!

 

[UncleBuck]

Ill shoot you...means your ass is in the wrong house...at the wrong time.. Colorado State law says Im in the right too

when you bring it up out of the blue for no reason it is just an indicator of your homicidal rage and lack of mental capacities more than anything else.

 

[ozfarmerjoe]

hey everybody, good day to you all.

colonuggs, what a terrible thing to know that people like you are out on the loose. my only compensation is i live many thousands of kilometers from you in a much safer place.
dick in one hand... gun in the other, what a lethal mix. i try not to be too critical of anyone but mate, i agree with uncle buck, you've definitely lost the plot.

 

[UncleBuck]

*I'm a combat vet so fuck with me!!!

sounds like you need treatment for PTSD more than you need to be taunting strangers to come into your home so you can take out your homicidal rage on them.

i mean, i know you served in some pointless conflict that served no purpose whatsoever but to drain taxpayers like me to pay worthless bullet catchers like you, but chill out. life goes on.

please seek help.

 

[colonuggs]

none of you have the right to judge anyone... until you live in their world and have gone threw their hardships....Fuck ya if anyone tried to break into my home.... I would shoot them dead....

 

[UncleBuck]

none of you have the right to judge anyone... until you live in their world and have gone threw their hardships....Fuck ya if anyone treid to break into my home.... I would shoot them dead

who here is trying to break into your home?

 

[colonuggs]

Didn't say anyone here was......As a general statement.....have you ever experienced a home invasion... any of you?? I have on multipul occasions ....you learn quick...I'm too old to fight so Im just gunna shoot you

 

[UncleBuck]

Didn't say anyone here was......As a general statement.....have you ever experienced a home invasion... any of you?? I have on multipul occasions ..

and they stole your spelling ability!

 

[colonuggs]

And the dickhead speaks as usual....that the best you can do??

 

[st0wandgrow]

Hahaha try to break into my home I live in Colorado I can and will shoot you DEAD as soon as I see your foot, hand or head "Legally without consequences"Shit... Ill shoot you then drag you in my house I bring my weapons to movie theaters too....Hmmm wonder why??? Crazy mofos in this world... some people have seen and experience lot of bad shit...not everyone has a beautiful world to live in

You seem to take great pleasure in the idea of shooting someone. I understand and support the idea of protecting yourself and loved ones, but killing someone would not be something that I looked forward to.

Hopefully your neighbor doesn't mistakenly stumble up to the wrong door one night after one too many...