ProdigalSun
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Has anyone been able to roll a blunt from the fan leaves, instead of tobacco leaves? If so, how did you get it to stick?
Fan Leaf Blunt?
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New Age United
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It would be good to know, maybe syrup or even oil, hash oil of course, that would make quite the smoke.
Herbicide
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i've heard of it being done, had a rolling book that taught you how to do it.
in the book it said take your bud of choice get it sticky with hash oil, take a chop stick and mold the bud around it into a blunt shape.
then take one leaf at a time and wrap it around the bud and so on until its completely covered in leaves.
it said to do this up to two-three times (hash oil coating between each layer) allowing a night to dry between each.
hope that helped, gl
in the book it said take your bud of choice get it sticky with hash oil, take a chop stick and mold the bud around it into a blunt shape.
then take one leaf at a time and wrap it around the bud and so on until its completely covered in leaves.
it said to do this up to two-three times (hash oil coating between each layer) allowing a night to dry between each.
hope that helped, gl
Thundercat
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Why is the first thing I thought of when I read this thread name!
I was honestly surprised that people had put some real thought into this. Tobacco leaves are used to roll cigars because tobacco leaves are what contain the drugs, and because I believe most tobacco leaves are a large enough size to make them easy to use this way.
Now on to cannabis.......
With cannabis I'm sure you can do this as someone mentioned he read about it in a book. I think the key would be finding large fan leaves. My fan leaves never get huge due in part to the strain I run and the way I grow small single cola plants. If you had some large fan leaves, I think first you would want them dried before you tried to use them or else they will never smoke period(just like tobacco leaves) Then I think they would likely stick to themselves once they were rewet just like using a green leaf cigar to roll a blunt. If not a little hash oil along the edge would surely hold it.
Now to the WHY? I smoke blunts daily, and yes this would save me money buying cigars everyday. However it seems like it would be a huge amount of extra work. I can twist up a blunt in a few minutes, messing with leaves would greatly increase that. Anyway thats my 2 cents on the subject.
Peace TC
I was honestly surprised that people had put some real thought into this. Tobacco leaves are used to roll cigars because tobacco leaves are what contain the drugs, and because I believe most tobacco leaves are a large enough size to make them easy to use this way.
Now on to cannabis.......
With cannabis I'm sure you can do this as someone mentioned he read about it in a book. I think the key would be finding large fan leaves. My fan leaves never get huge due in part to the strain I run and the way I grow small single cola plants. If you had some large fan leaves, I think first you would want them dried before you tried to use them or else they will never smoke period(just like tobacco leaves) Then I think they would likely stick to themselves once they were rewet just like using a green leaf cigar to roll a blunt. If not a little hash oil along the edge would surely hold it.
Now to the WHY? I smoke blunts daily, and yes this would save me money buying cigars everyday. However it seems like it would be a huge amount of extra work. I can twist up a blunt in a few minutes, messing with leaves would greatly increase that. Anyway thats my 2 cents on the subject.
Peace TC
diggindirt
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I believe the information you're looking for is in Skunk Magazine, Volume 6, Issue 4. 
Rather labor intensive process, but Dr. Feelgood wrote a very detailed article on rolling "Sensigars". Saved the magazine in case I ever have a weekend I wanna try em out. Good bit of work, but you'd be the shit if you busted a couple out in front of me!
See if you can pull up old issues online somehow. He boils em down in sugar to help em retain their shape, and uses a hollowed out piece of cannabis stem for the filter/mouthpiece. More of a novelty than a functional way to roll, but one hell of a pack of smokes if you get em rolled up!
Rather labor intensive process, but Dr. Feelgood wrote a very detailed article on rolling "Sensigars". Saved the magazine in case I ever have a weekend I wanna try em out. Good bit of work, but you'd be the shit if you busted a couple out in front of me!
See if you can pull up old issues online somehow. He boils em down in sugar to help em retain their shape, and uses a hollowed out piece of cannabis stem for the filter/mouthpiece. More of a novelty than a functional way to roll, but one hell of a pack of smokes if you get em rolled up!
ProdigalSun
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What if you're way out somewhere you can't get stuff, and all you had was this monster plant and wanted to smoke?
iSmokealottaweed
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Actually yes it can and is done. RiverRock in Colorado sells them. However watching Paul Tokin try smoking one was somewhat of a failure.
diggindirt
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Least you got a monster plant staring at you? Hope you got a light mate! 
Seriously, everything in the article you should already have in your house, just need the article... Here's the ingredient list:
Glass dish
Isopropyl Alcohol
Plastic Wrap
White Sugar
Favorite Herb (most important, and I think you got that covered)
Sewing Thread
100 MM Cigarette Roller
Variable Speed Drill (to drill out the stems... I was able to do by hand last I tried)
Tape Measure
Small Soft Bristle Paintbrush
5/32" drill bit (or similar size)
One Drywall Screw
Stiff Paper (grocery bag is fine)
Rubber Band
Razor Blade
Stems and Big Fan Leaves
Last I checked, even Timbucktoo has all that in pretty good supply. If you can't get the article, I suppose I can take some time and write it up, but again, it's by no means my article or 'invention', so I'd rather not type it all up as if it were.
Seriously, everything in the article you should already have in your house, just need the article... Here's the ingredient list:
Glass dish
Isopropyl Alcohol
Plastic Wrap
White Sugar
Favorite Herb (most important, and I think you got that covered)
Sewing Thread
100 MM Cigarette Roller
Variable Speed Drill (to drill out the stems... I was able to do by hand last I tried)
Tape Measure
Small Soft Bristle Paintbrush
5/32" drill bit (or similar size)
One Drywall Screw
Stiff Paper (grocery bag is fine)
Rubber Band
Razor Blade
Stems and Big Fan Leaves
Last I checked, even Timbucktoo has all that in pretty good supply. If you can't get the article, I suppose I can take some time and write it up, but again, it's by no means my article or 'invention', so I'd rather not type it all up as if it were.
Thundercat
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Boiling them makes sense. I knew that the leaves would need to be treated some how to make them pliable, but not actually fresh and wet. I think tobacco leaves are steamed or smoked or something.
I'm starting to wonder from the follow up questions the OP has asked if he means rolling a "blunt" with just the fan leaves as a tobacco cigar can be rolled. If that is infact what your reffering to prodigal, I don't know how we didn't pick up on it. You are more then welcome to roll up some fan leaves but you will not get high if thats your goal. If you just want to smoke a "cigar" for no other reason I suppose have at it.
I'm starting to wonder from the follow up questions the OP has asked if he means rolling a "blunt" with just the fan leaves as a tobacco cigar can be rolled. If that is infact what your reffering to prodigal, I don't know how we didn't pick up on it. You are more then welcome to roll up some fan leaves but you will not get high if thats your goal. If you just want to smoke a "cigar" for no other reason I suppose have at it.
ProdigalSun
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I was really thinking of an all natural, er, all cannibus alternative would be appealing to some people. I love a blunt, but the last time I smoked one, I was also smoking cigarettes. Im a little concerned that if I smoked a blunt now, I would start wanting a cigarette again. Thats a headache I don't need.
diggindirt
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I took it to mean he wanted to roll bud, but use a fan leaf as the wrapper. This is what I'm referring to in said article. I agree, rolling up a wad of leaves and wrapping em in a leaf would be garbage and one hell of a burnt throat.
magicman18
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dry the leaves, and roll it up in them. might work, might not. if you dry the leaves right, (look up online how blunt wraps are made with tobacco), use the same process. it should work. maybe. it would be really cool.
diggindirt
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Nuff interest so I suppose we'll go with it... This is Dr. Feelgood's article (part of it anyways) and originally printed by Skunk Magazine and only being re-posted to share the knowledge. This post will deal with preparing the stems (mouthpiece of sensigar). Can select any diameter stem you wish but for this article he uses 1/4" diameter. Keep in mind the larger the stem the larger the leaf you need to wrap around it.
1: Dry the stems out completely.
2: Pick out the straightest piece you can. You cannot really slice em, dice em, or cut em. You've got to place them on a cutting board, put your razor blade on top and then roll the stem back and forth. Roll and slice making sure you keep the same track with your slice. Do this over and over and eventually it will pop off. (he cuts to a length of 50mm or about 2")
3: If you want to be fancy, sand the edges with a bit of sandpaper.
4: Now you're going to drill through the stem. Once you have the bit in the drill (obviously sized smaller than the stem) hold the stem with your fingers and begin drilling very slowly, going about 1/4" at a time. Every 1/4", rotate the stem 90 degrees to keep the hole centered. If you get off track, turn the stem around and start from the other end. The center of the stem is fluffy, so it will be easy to get through. You can also cut these to any length to be used in your regular joints instead of a standard roach paper.
1: Dry the stems out completely.
2: Pick out the straightest piece you can. You cannot really slice em, dice em, or cut em. You've got to place them on a cutting board, put your razor blade on top and then roll the stem back and forth. Roll and slice making sure you keep the same track with your slice. Do this over and over and eventually it will pop off. (he cuts to a length of 50mm or about 2")
3: If you want to be fancy, sand the edges with a bit of sandpaper.
4: Now you're going to drill through the stem. Once you have the bit in the drill (obviously sized smaller than the stem) hold the stem with your fingers and begin drilling very slowly, going about 1/4" at a time. Every 1/4", rotate the stem 90 degrees to keep the hole centered. If you get off track, turn the stem around and start from the other end. The center of the stem is fluffy, so it will be easy to get through. You can also cut these to any length to be used in your regular joints instead of a standard roach paper.
diggindirt
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Now moving on to preparing the leaves. He goes through how to bleach them and turn them tan in color, but they can also be used green with less effort, and will be how I describe it here.
1: Our finished dimensions are 33mm x 75mm so chose large leaves. Press them in a phone book and allow them to dry for a few days. Once dry, it's time to cut the leaf to shape (rectangle just like a rolling paper). Lay it on a cutting board and roll your knife from one side to the other applying downward pressure. Do not slice or drag your knife across it as you'll just tear it. Roll the knife and it'll cut just fine.
2: Mix 1/3 cup of white sugar to a quart of water. Bring to a boil and drop your prepared leaves into the solution. Boil 5-10 minutes using the rule that they're not ready until they sink. AGAIN, they're not ready until they sink!
3: Remove the leaf from the boiling water and lay it on a paper towel to remove the excess moisture.
Our goal here is to have the sugar water absorbed inside the leaf's cells, so that when it dries there will be a slight remainder inside the leaf. That way when rolled, the slight amount of sugar will help the leaves retain their stiff shape. It also gives it a slightly pleasing taste such as a cigar.
If in this process your water boils for too long, it will concentrate your sugar solution to the point where your leaf won't want to absorb it. It's because there's no room for the molecules to filter through the cell walls of the leaf. Simply add some more regular water and you'll notice the portions of the leaf that were resistant start to absorb the liquid as it started to. Sometimes this process can take up to an hour, but again, not until they sink.
1: Our finished dimensions are 33mm x 75mm so chose large leaves. Press them in a phone book and allow them to dry for a few days. Once dry, it's time to cut the leaf to shape (rectangle just like a rolling paper). Lay it on a cutting board and roll your knife from one side to the other applying downward pressure. Do not slice or drag your knife across it as you'll just tear it. Roll the knife and it'll cut just fine.
2: Mix 1/3 cup of white sugar to a quart of water. Bring to a boil and drop your prepared leaves into the solution. Boil 5-10 minutes using the rule that they're not ready until they sink. AGAIN, they're not ready until they sink!
3: Remove the leaf from the boiling water and lay it on a paper towel to remove the excess moisture.
Our goal here is to have the sugar water absorbed inside the leaf's cells, so that when it dries there will be a slight remainder inside the leaf. That way when rolled, the slight amount of sugar will help the leaves retain their stiff shape. It also gives it a slightly pleasing taste such as a cigar.
If in this process your water boils for too long, it will concentrate your sugar solution to the point where your leaf won't want to absorb it. It's because there's no room for the molecules to filter through the cell walls of the leaf. Simply add some more regular water and you'll notice the portions of the leaf that were resistant start to absorb the liquid as it started to. Sometimes this process can take up to an hour, but again, not until they sink.
diggindirt
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Putting your Sensigar together:
1: Load your roller with your favorite herb and your hollowed out stem. Pack your loose leafy stuff towards the stem end for better flow.
2: Roll your 'paper' in leaving 1/4" sticking out. Open the roller slightly to get the main vein to go in. You'll be covering up your herb mixture and aproximately half of your hollowed stem.
3: Once you have your machine loaded properly, scoop out a little of your sugar water solution from the stove (use your dirty 1/3 cup you've already got out) and add a bit more sugar creating your 'paper glue' so to speak. Fill the 1/3 cup about halfway and add a couple tablespoons to make it really syrupy.
4: Grab your rolling machine and turn it upside down (this keeps it from soaking into the cigar) and paint the 1/4" edge you left hanging out with your sugar glue, then roll it into the machine.
5: Let it sit for about 15 minutes until it sets. It won't dry completely or anything but it will coagulate so just set your machine aside.
6: While it's drying, get your threaded stud ready in your drill. The threaded stud is a drywall screw with the head cut off. Leave the sharp end out. Once the cigar is 'dry', thread the stem end just far enough on to the screw to hold it. Loop your thread around the bare end of the stem and tie it off.
7: Holding your thread with your thumb and finger in one hand, use a slow setting on the drill to turn the cigar, wrapping the thread up the stem and over the end of the leaf where they meet. Once there, reverse direction back down the stem and tie off again when at the bottom. This holds both ends together.
8: Take a 4" x 4" square of grocery bag and wrap it around a chopstick or pencil to get a nice curl in it. Then roll your cigar inside this paper and put a rubber band around it. This allows it to stay straight and stiff until the cigar dries completely. Let it completely dry for a day or two and share with one of your best friends.
This may seem time consuming, but once you have your 'kit' together, it only takes an hour or so to roll a few and you'll be the life of the party when you bust these out! And don't forget to roll a few extra to give away as party favors.
1: Load your roller with your favorite herb and your hollowed out stem. Pack your loose leafy stuff towards the stem end for better flow.
2: Roll your 'paper' in leaving 1/4" sticking out. Open the roller slightly to get the main vein to go in. You'll be covering up your herb mixture and aproximately half of your hollowed stem.
3: Once you have your machine loaded properly, scoop out a little of your sugar water solution from the stove (use your dirty 1/3 cup you've already got out) and add a bit more sugar creating your 'paper glue' so to speak. Fill the 1/3 cup about halfway and add a couple tablespoons to make it really syrupy.
4: Grab your rolling machine and turn it upside down (this keeps it from soaking into the cigar) and paint the 1/4" edge you left hanging out with your sugar glue, then roll it into the machine.
5: Let it sit for about 15 minutes until it sets. It won't dry completely or anything but it will coagulate so just set your machine aside.
6: While it's drying, get your threaded stud ready in your drill. The threaded stud is a drywall screw with the head cut off. Leave the sharp end out. Once the cigar is 'dry', thread the stem end just far enough on to the screw to hold it. Loop your thread around the bare end of the stem and tie it off.
7: Holding your thread with your thumb and finger in one hand, use a slow setting on the drill to turn the cigar, wrapping the thread up the stem and over the end of the leaf where they meet. Once there, reverse direction back down the stem and tie off again when at the bottom. This holds both ends together.
8: Take a 4" x 4" square of grocery bag and wrap it around a chopstick or pencil to get a nice curl in it. Then roll your cigar inside this paper and put a rubber band around it. This allows it to stay straight and stiff until the cigar dries completely. Let it completely dry for a day or two and share with one of your best friends.
This may seem time consuming, but once you have your 'kit' together, it only takes an hour or so to roll a few and you'll be the life of the party when you bust these out! And don't forget to roll a few extra to give away as party favors.