NietzscheKeen
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Just trying to connect with like minded individuals. Hit me up and/or feel free to post any spinozist/ naturalistic pantheist related links, texts, etc.
Any other Spinozists or Naturalistic Pantheists out there?
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Zaehet Strife
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Sorry bud... Existential Nihilist here.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Im a bit of a pantheist, though Im a bit of a lot of other things as well lol.
stoned cockatoo
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I'm a retard
mudminer
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i was right. sorry man.
mudminer
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the short bus will be around fer ya directly buddy. lol. peace
NietzscheKeen
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I am too Zaehet, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. If fact, in my eyes, they go hand in hand.
I'm not a perfect Spinozist as I disagree with him on certain points and sometimes Naturalistic Pantheism is a bit... pagany for me. However, it's the closest I've found to my "spiritual beliefs". If someone asks me to give my beliefs a label, I usually answer "cosmological pandeist". But that phrase is pretty much meaningless to everyone.
I'm not a perfect Spinozist as I disagree with him on certain points and sometimes Naturalistic Pantheism is a bit... pagany for me. However, it's the closest I've found to my "spiritual beliefs". If someone asks me to give my beliefs a label, I usually answer "cosmological pandeist". But that phrase is pretty much meaningless to everyone.
eye exaggerate
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Genesisgrower
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I tend to hate to pigeon hole myself or anyone else into one thing. I think thats the most amazing part about being human, we honestly don't ever have to be of one opinion. Its the most bountiful gift a deity or any sort can give... Not immortality, imagine living forever but doing one chore over and over. You are given a short period of conscience life span, of which you get to make as many good/bad decisions you want. Death is the only thing that will make you appreciate such a gift. If we lived forever we'd never reflect on our lives.
Zaehet Strife
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You've spiked my interest now, i'm going to have to look into this. How would you define the "cosmological pandeist"?
NietzscheKeen
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No god in the traditional sense. Like Spinoza... all that exists is material, so if god exists it must be material. Material can be a force, or whatever.
God is in complete and utter control and his laws cannot be broken; physical laws.
One cannot disobey god = one cannot disobey his laws
It is possible that god is not separate or distinguishable from his laws.
He is the connection between cause and effect among other things.
He is not a conscious being nor does he intervene.
Just as we can know a senator by the types of laws he supports... we can know god by observing his laws. Mathematics is also a way of observing the eternam. (That's what I call god so it doesn't get confused with the christian God)
If this was a different universe his laws could be very different. There is nothing that I know of that says the physical laws of the universe HAVE to necessarily be the way they are in our universe. There for it is not necessary that god be unchanging.
There is no prayer or meditation, but reverence for and realizing that you are not seperate or distinguishable from the rest of the universe on an atomic level and that there is really no true separation unless we are suspended in a vacuum.
We most likely can never imagine god, the closest we can get to him is his laws.
This isn't a very good description, but maybe it gives you an idea of what I believe.
God is in complete and utter control and his laws cannot be broken; physical laws.
One cannot disobey god = one cannot disobey his laws
It is possible that god is not separate or distinguishable from his laws.
He is the connection between cause and effect among other things.
He is not a conscious being nor does he intervene.
Just as we can know a senator by the types of laws he supports... we can know god by observing his laws. Mathematics is also a way of observing the eternam. (That's what I call god so it doesn't get confused with the christian God)
If this was a different universe his laws could be very different. There is nothing that I know of that says the physical laws of the universe HAVE to necessarily be the way they are in our universe. There for it is not necessary that god be unchanging.
There is no prayer or meditation, but reverence for and realizing that you are not seperate or distinguishable from the rest of the universe on an atomic level and that there is really no true separation unless we are suspended in a vacuum.
We most likely can never imagine god, the closest we can get to him is his laws.
This isn't a very good description, but maybe it gives you an idea of what I believe.
NietzscheKeen
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Also, I have a version of reincarnation but it is different because I don't believe in souls. Nothing exists after we die except our physical bodies. The atoms that make up our bodies are decomposed and become part of the earth and atmosphere. We are made up of the same elements as the stars and our home planet. Once these atoms decompose, they become part of the whole, though they never really ever were separate. Then they become part of the bacteria or grass or deer or other humans and live on in that sorta way, through a plethora of many other life forms. We do not become them, but part of us is part of them as is so many other people and life forms.
NietzscheKeen
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Let me know if any of this is incoherent or ill informed.
Heisenberg
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http://news.discovery.com/human/life/atheist-church-set-to-go-global-130308.htm
"Britain's atheist church is barely three months old but it already has more "worshipers" than can fit into its services, while more than 200 non-believers worldwide have contacted organizers to ask how they can set up their own branch."
"Britain's atheist church is barely three months old but it already has more "worshipers" than can fit into its services, while more than 200 non-believers worldwide have contacted organizers to ask how they can set up their own branch."
NietzscheKeen
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What are you suggesting?
(I started my own cult once... but it didn't catch on, lol. No... not really. It was an ethical society at my university, but it would have been like a church for atheists if you wanted to look at it that way.)
(I started my own cult once... but it didn't catch on, lol. No... not really. It was an ethical society at my university, but it would have been like a church for atheists if you wanted to look at it that way.)
Chartreuse Spruce
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Wow guy. you are MY guy! I have felt and spoke these very things. I thought I was alone and no one can connect with me on this one in my peer group or my family. Whew. Spinozist? Pantheist? And I was reading your other thread about this and thought to myself the very same thing you mentioned above. That you substitute God for the word eternam. but that God means a different thing to you. God to me is DNA. It's the eternam; DNA; the double helix; the force of the universe. Ok, so one thing I just saw too...you don't believe we have a soul. I am perplexed every day by these things we are talking about here and ask for answers in prayer. I can't be atheist. I don't want to be. It sounds like that might be the fine line...the fact of believing in the soul. If I know everything you say is true, but choose to believe something entirely different about the soul, am I an atheist? I was with you entirely except the atheist part. Can you maybe shed some light as to how an atheist can not find God when knowing how amazing our bodies are. How can a brain just happen? All other life is easier explained...but not our brains and our development.
Dalek Supreme
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This is the perfect philosophy for all ready confused people to buy into........good luck with that.
Chartreuse Spruce
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What's to be confused about? Sounds like the most non confused way of thinking that I have ever heard of. There's no buying into anything. It is the universe and the way it works. What greater thing is there to understand? If we can understand that, we have everything. Only the thinkers will ever get it...everyone else has blind faith and questions nothing.
Dalek Supreme
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I question everything,and I apply the K.I.S.S. method of Keep it simple stupid.
What people call the supernatural,I call superscience.
If people do not want to look at superscience,then just stick with regular science,because philosophy on something they know nothing about is just wasting everyone's time.
People still actually believe Jesus died on a cross when I can disprove that with a historically accurate paragraph.
"Crucifixion is a lie.The "tropaion" is a sacred trophy/sun symbol for the
ancient Greeks,and Romans.The tropaion was decorated with armor/weaponry,and was reserved for the spirits of there Gods to enter it.The trophy/victory symbol was displayed after a victorious battle in tribute to there Gods.Prisoners were bound at the base,and never ever placed on it for it is sacred inwich was reserved for divinity only.Julius Caesar held the title of Christos (annointed with oil),and his wax effigy was placed on it during the Ides of March."
I hate when people say atheism is a religion,and this thread sounds like it is trying to do just that from what I see,hence my previous post.
Check the links in my sig if you want to actually learn a thing or two.