Stop blaming "issues" on pH people! aka "ah cant take no mo'!

[MYOB]

pH, Mg deficiency, general "nute" deficiencies, "nute burn", and the dreaded "hermie" paranoia.

The first time someone notices a stipule, its "HeLP!! NutSacK! HeRmiE! NanNERZZZ" I sneezed on my plant, will it hermie??????

Or advice in a single post like: "looks like a mag def. with a little case of low N. Possibly overwatering. And maybe not enough light. or its too hot. or too cold. wait, you didnt use MG SOIL DID YOU????? I would flush, then feed a half dose of nutes, then spray with epsom salts.... and molasses, then put the lights closer. Then back them off. then check your pH...

 

[hopeyougotadutch]

I dont agree with this post at all, ph is a massive factor and if you have no clue what it is it cant be eliminated as an issue, the first time i integrated phing my water and nutes into my garden the overall health of my plants and yield increased. Suite yourself if your going to be blind to ph.

I myself have had the opposite effect. But, I have other problems that need to be addressed as well. I do remember my days with Miracle Grow however, and I didn't use any pH adjusters or any pH testing and those plants did a lot better than my current (as far as leaf health). I was also using water from the tap and it tests around 8. The MG, to my understanding tests at a low pH though, if I'm remembering correctly.

Oh well, I'm still learning and apparently you are too. We'll get there.

 

[The2TimEr]

to me it's not telling anyone anything other then what the ph of your runoff water, and i could really care less what the ph of the water coming out of my pots is as i don't find it to be an indication of what your soil ph is for starters.

Ahmen to this!

 

[*BUDS]

If I apply nutes/waterings at 6.5 my plants finish green(leaves) heavy and healthy. My tap water is 8.5 so if I feed/water without adjustment my plants finish yellow ,light and generally shit. So ph meaning nothing is bullshit, complete bullshit and misleading to people.

 

[Sativied]

Isn't UB an organic grower? If so I get it the first post. But regardless, for the fans of PH, ever tried growing without (adjusting) it? It's in a way much like adding CO2.

 

[The2TimEr]

If I apply nutes/waterings at 6.5 my plants finish green(leaves) heavy and healthy. My tap water is 8.5 so if I feed/water without adjustment my plants finish yellow ,light and generally shit. So ph meaning nothing is bullshit, complete bullshit and misleading to people.

Agree with this.. ive found if growing in soil anywhere from mid 6 to 7 is fine for my plants. anything like a 5.0 or 8.0 and you'll have issues.
i just checked my water the other day for the 1st time in a while and it's at 8.0. Last year when i checked in the summer it was at 7.0.
after i apply nutrients to it, will bring it back down to mid - high 6's.

 

[hopeyougotadutch]

Could someone explain to me what process is occurring when I let my water sit out for about 2 days, my pH level drops from the high of 8+ to between 6-7? It can't be just because the chlorine is evaporating, or is it?

 

[blacksun]

or is it?

Yeah it probably is. Chlorine has a very high pH.

 

[hopeyougotadutch]

Yeah it probably is. Chlorine has a very high pH.

What about the removal of chloramine?

 

[Uncle Ben]

I myself have had the opposite effect. But, I have other problems that need to be addressed as well. I do remember my days with Miracle Grow however, and I didn't use any pH adjusters or any pH testing and those plants did a lot better than my current (as far as leaf health). I was also using water from the tap and it tests around 8. The MG, to my understanding tests at a low pH though, if I'm remembering correctly.

Oh well, I'm still learning and apparently you are too. We'll get there.

Less is more. Folks will try to find some way to make this as confusing and complicated as they can. And in the end, they end up failing.

UB

 

[ogreb]

Proper PH plays an important role in good marijuana production.

All living things need their proper PH levels to live and grow healthy. And certain strains need different PHs...I have a Blueberry that loves to be more acidic then my Lemon Skunk. etc.

Even bacteria needs proper PH to thrive.

Human's especially need proper PH...our diet nowadays is too acidic and that is where most health problems begin.

Now living creatures do and can live in PH outside of their normal environmental conditions...doesn't mean they want to .

I PH my water and will continue to do so.

PH levels / marijuana questions are not going to go away just because you don't like it. It's a valid question.

I do believe posters do need to give more info though.

 

[PurpleBuz]

Could someone explain to me what process is occurring when I let my water sit out for about 2 days, my pH level drops from the high of 8+ to between 6-7? It can't be just because the chlorine is evaporating, or is it?

That is the degassing carbonate effect.

 

[hopeyougotadutch]

Less is more. Folks will try to find some way to make this as confusing and complicated as they can. And in the end, they end up failing.

UB

Well, they succeeded on complicating shit for me. I've been told don't worry about the pH of my water if my soil is proper (lime and what not). Would you agree?

I'm making my way through your gardening tweaks thread so I apologize if I'm asking you to repeat something you've probably mentioned 1,000 times. But, that goddamn thing is massive.

 

[hopeyougotadutch]

That is the degassing carbonate effect.

Is it a reliable pH level after this takes place?

 

[PurpleBuz]

Is it a reliable pH level after this takes place?

after sitting its reasonably stable. You can also aerate the water to speed it up.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Well, they succeeded on complicating shit for me. I've been told don't worry about the pH of my water if my soil is proper (lime and what not). Would you agree?

I'm making my way through your gardening tweaks thread so I apologize if I'm asking you to repeat something you've probably mentioned 1,000 times. But, that goddamn thing is massive.

Like I said in post one, organic growers worry too much about pH. As long as your plants "see" a range of say.....5.5 to 7.5, you're fine.

No one is gonna complicate things for you, only you can do that. You have a choice of using the wheat and throwing out the chaff.

You WILL set yourself up for failure if you listen to the advice on this forum. It's all over the place with a lot of crap gimmicks and tricks. You WILL succeed if you learn conventional growing culture from folks like your neighbor, veggie gardening friend, commercial tomato grower, nurseryman. Learn what makes a plant tick, not the latest product label names. Keep the NPK fairly balanced, a 1-1-1 all the way thru and you can't go wrong, the light high enough but not so high that you induce chlorophyll bleaching and focus ONLY on the production and maintenance of foliage and root mass until harvest. This I've said a 1,000 times.

Good luck,
UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

Could someone explain to me what process is occurring when I let my water sit out for about 2 days, my pH level drops from the high of 8+ to between 6-7? It can't be just because the chlorine is evaporating, or is it?

Never bothered. You're pissing off your time, another common noob practice based on a never ending make-work cannabis forum paradigm parroted by folks that are driven by feelings rather than facts and/or experience.

I watered straight from the tap when I was growing indoors and my avatar shows my success. The water treatment plant was located only about 2 miles from my garden which means it has the highest ppm of chloramines and chlorine it can, as opposed to at the end of the distribution run which in my city was about 20 miles away.

If your pH is really dropping 2 points, there's something else at work here - meter needs calibration, some chemical reaction going on due to who knows what.......

UB

 

[chuck estevez]

This Diagram helps to prove what UB is saying, you can see nutrients availability at different p.h levels

 

[Uncle Ben]

This Diagram helps to prove what UB is saying, you can see nutrients availability at different p.h levels

Yep, you could actually run up to 8.0 and it might be better as B can be toxic.

BUT........if you're growing in soil, this pH water adjustment biz is irrelevant as soil has a powerful buffering effect. I've done the experiments. You could drench with a pH of 8.5 and the plant might "see" 6.0 if you have peat or are using a food that has an acidic affect, like an azalea food, 21-7-7.

UB

 

[NietzscheKeen]

In experiments I've done, plants watered and fed with tap water grew bigger and healthier than plants watered with rain water or RO water. I've never bothered letting the water sit out either as Chlorine is an essential micronutrient. That is why you will see if in MANY fertilizers, etc.

http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/repositoryfiles/ca1009p10-64551.pdf