Does anyone want to receive Spiritual Enlightenment?

eye exaggerate

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Sure, but you would first need to define "God" and "law".
...cool, thanks. "God" being the creator of all that is observable through inner and outer senses. "Laws" are those which are observable in the material universe as we know them. All that pertain to the governance of systems in nature.
 

NietzscheKeen

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The Qu'ran doesn't actually say that... it's an apologetic translation; though I will admit is says something similar. Yes there are many things in the Qu'ran that seem to point to an all knowing supreme being... but it actually doesn't. Just because a book had a few facts correct, doesn't mean it was sent from Allah.

LMAO Heis!
 

Heisenberg

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Very good point, I can always argue against myself, you can always go with Newtons clockwork universe, that makes sense too, it very well could be a dead universe, but I prefer to just open my eyes and see what is right infront of me, this Paradise is just full of Life and Energy.
Perhaps you should broaden your view to see past confirmation bias.

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New Age United

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The Qu'ran doesn't actually say that... it's an apologetic translation; though I will admit is says something similar. Yes there are many things in the Qu'ran that seem to point to an all knowing supreme being... but it actually doesn't. Just because a book had a few facts correct, doesn't mean it was sent from Allah.
The Quran repeatedly speaks about the germ cell uniting and creating the man, Surely Allah is hearing, seeing, Knowing, Nigh very close in Space and Time, so close that you are one, not a supreme being, just Allah
 

NietzscheKeen

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The more I learned in university about neuroscience.... the more I studied philosophy.... the more I began to see that there was no such thing as free will. Most of the geniuses of the last century believed free will doesn't exist.
 

New Age United

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Perhaps you should broaden your view to see past confirmation bias.

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I always wonder why people believe the creator to be good when every instinct in you tells you that God is evil, God very well could be a sick sadistic being who created humanity to watch them suffer, but that would require you to believe that God is a sumpreme being who exists outside of your True Self
 

Heisenberg

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...cool, thanks. "God" being the creator of all that is observable through inner and outer senses. "Laws" are those which are observable in the material universe as we know them. All that pertain to the governance of systems in nature.
Okay, so scientific law and personal deity God. It comes down to omnipotence. If God is all powerful then he can change laws and work miracles, he has limitless influence and authority. If God is the type who 'evolved' into the universe, if she sacrificed herself to birth reality, then maybe it had influence in the beginning but not now that things are in motion. Perhaps to circumvent this she decided to make consciousness and evolve it to the point of gaining control. The metaphysical inner-verse is not restricted by such laws by design so that it's not necessary to break the physical. Maybe science was part of the plan, an impeccable method of gaining control over nature, and in the meantime we are also intended to find a way to commune with nature so that the control we exert will coincide with her plan.

Or this could simply be a random unfalsifiable narrative I strung together in the last 30 seconds.
 

New Age United

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That's brilliant Heisenberg actually, never thought of that, similar to Newton proposing the possibility that God is the creator of the clock and set it in motion
 

Kite High

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LMAO, ok, bare with me, I am no prophet, and I wouldn't exactly call myself Enlightened, I still have quite the ego lol!!! I am not trying to exalt myself here this is some very practical stuff and it has helped many many people, so that's why I asked. That actually is a good vid heisenburg, ya I don't believe in law of attraction and have absolutely no interest in the age of aquarious and all that crap, I don't identify as anything, all things are fleeting. What I can do is give you a glimpse of Enlightenment, and to anybody who has already begun to Awaken I can accelerate your Enlightenment. Ok it's about to get real deep and spiritual up in here, this is gonna be long so if you're not interested in it then just leave the page, this I know for certain, it is really not important, yes the survival of humanity is dependent on Awakening, but I have very good news, even the survival of humanity itself is not important, death is nothing to be afraid of, it is very peaceful, like sleep.

Read very slowly and pay very careful "Attention" to what is being said

I am not a prophet, "prophet" is just a word, I am the way and the Truth and Life, I am the Light of the world and so are you, ok now let's be honest, I am not the way not nearly, like I said I still have quite the ego, I'm a work in progress so bare with me lmao, what you have to realize is that this is not about me, it is about you, "everything that I have told you is not for me but for you yourself" Muhammad, "If I err, I err only against my own Soul, for in the Light I know Allah's will as my own will" Muhammad, ya it's not easy to control your ego, trust me it's hard. Yes Muhammad was a warrior, what you have to realize is that good and evil do not exist, the Torah begins with the warning "do not eat from tree of the knowledge of good and evil", please believe me when I tell you that is one very bad apple, they are just perspectives in your mind but they have the power to torment your Soul.

I will give you an eye opener, the big bang is not actually where the universe begins, there is no actual thing “Time”. Time is the illusion created by the motion of Energy. The space-time continuum(Space bending in on itself and creating the illusion of light in the Quarks-boson) actually begins at the base particle(Quarks-boson). The source of all Life Energy is really nothing more than Space bending in on itself(the four forces of physics) and creating the motion of time, which absolutely undeniably is being performed by a higher conscious that is Aware and Alive. If you work your way up from the Quarks-boson you will eventually discover that you are the Immortal Light of God expressing itself in Space-time at this very moment.

Religion, like all of the perspectives and ideas in your mind are false, but the Truth to which the prophets were pointing to remains as solid as it will always be. "What is Truth" asks the Pilate to Jesus just before the crucifixion, but Jesus doesn't answer the question, he just stands there unwavering. Perhaps Jesus realizes that the Truth is not an answer to a question but is something much bigger. If you want to know the Truth all you have to do is open your eyes. What is Real, what is True? When all of the thoughts and emotions in your Soul stop, what is left unwavering, You, Awareness, the Light, and what do you behold, the Earth is not hell, it is actually a very peaceful Paradise, it is Heaven indeed Jesus, such a Glorious Kingdom is Eternity.

Time is an illusion but the Earth is very Real, that is true Enlightenment, and if you do not understand the Truth then you are no where near Wise, but that's okay because in Truth nothing is important, not even wisdom.

If you are attached to ideas and ideologies such as God and religion you should let go of that attachment if you truly want to attain Enlightenment, the Dali Lama actually said recently that now is the time for humanity to abandon religion, the Dali Lama is very Enlightened.

Always be Aware of Space - The Space in the Present Moment, the Eternal Sea, that which is not fleeting
Time is an illusion but the Earth is very Real - Just open your eyes
All things come and go but the Light remains Eternal - You are literally Immortal, untouched by time, you are the Light

If you understand this then you are now in Paradise, welcome to Eternity, welcome to the Kingdom of Heaven, it is your home and you will never leave it, you are Eternal Life and you will always be Eternal Life, untouched by time, you are the container of all Space-Time, you are what allows the universe to exist, you are as much God/Goddess as words could ever say.

If you want to learn more about this I would highly recommend the book "A New Earth" by Eckhart Tolle, if you are suffering and you need help with it you can feel free to contact me.

Ok now that's enough I hate how serious I get when I talk about this stuff lol!!!

I will give you this though, this seems to help people, Magnum Opus is a lifelong journey, it is not something that just happens it has to evolve. The Homeric hymn dedicated to hermes states that he is the bringer of knowledge from the Immortal world to the Mortal world, judging by the vast amount of Truth and Wisdom portrayed in both the Illiad and the Odyssey, two of the first recorded texts in western history, it is my assumption that Homer himself is the original author of the tablet.

The Philosophers Stone
The Emerald Tablet by Hermes

1: This is the Truth, the entire Truth, the absence of illusion

2: As above so below, and as below so above, with this balance alone can you truly Love the world, for the worker of all wonders is Space

3: All things exist in and emanate from Love which is the ultimate Cause, and as all things are from the One, by means of the meditation of the One, thus all things were born from the One, by means of adaptation, and all things sprang from this essence through a single projection, how marvelous is its work, it is the principle part of the world and its custodian

4: The Sun is your Father the Moon is your Mother

5: The wind carried you in her belly; the Earth nourished you and guarded you

6: You are the Father/Mother of all things; perfect is the power that reveals the Light

6a: Love is the cause of all perfection; the Eternal will is contained in you

7: On Earth your power is perfected

7a: It is a fire that became our earth, separate the Earth from the fire, the densest from the faintest, and you shall adhere more to that which is subtle than that which is coarse, that which is Light than that which is dark, through care and wisdom

8: Rise above the world and art in Heaven, extract the Light from the Eternal Sea and be here on Earth containing the power of the Heavens above and the Earth below for you are the purest Light, therefore the darkness flees from you

9: The world will be illuminated and confusion will fly from you, thus you will have the Glory of the world, regardless of an abject fate

10: It is power, strong with the strength of all power, for it will penetrate all mysteries and dispel all ignorance, the mortal soul will flee and the Heavens, and the Sky and the entire Earth will be known as it truly exists

11: This was the means of the creation of the world; the structure of the microcosm is in accordance with the structure of the macrocosm

12: And from it are born wonderful adaptations, of which the way is given here

13: That is why I have been called Hermes Tristmegistus, having the three elements of all Wisdom: logic, conscience and the Immortal Truth

14: Thus ends the revelation of the work of the Cosmos, the work of the Sun and the Moon, and the wind and the Earth

The Eternal will is Love, not the sappy emotional Love, the Love of which I speak is a very light and easy thing, it should take an effort that is not there to hold it back, there is no seriousness in Paradise, life is very easy, effortless, you are just making it hard on your self.

The one on his left spat at him and cursed his name, at once a crow swept down and plucked out both his eyes, the one on his right said I accept thee, may I enter the Kingdom with you, and Jesus said, then come and dine with me in Paradise. That is the choice that is given to all, whoever denies Eternal Life will suffer blindly, whoever accepts Eternal Life will live in Peace in Paradise. Forgive them father for they know not what they do, that is true Love, unconditional, even in the face of his death, now I gotta be honest I don't know if I will ever be capapable of such Love, but I do know this, that guy knew what he was saying.

Peace, Bliss, laughter and Love
Michael
Do what thou wilt is the Whole of the Law
 

mudminer

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hey everybody. a little while back some of you were talking about free will being a false concept. would you please elaborate on that a little. it certainly "seems" to me that i have a choice in what i do or do not do. is the course of our lives predetermined? if so by who or what? thanx
 

tyler.durden

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hey everybody. a little while back some of you were talking about free will being a false concept. would you please elaborate on that a little. it certainly "seems" to me that i have a choice in what i do or do not do. is the course of our lives predetermined? if so by who or what? thanx
Hey, Mudminer! The concept of free will was one of my favorite, and was very hard for me to doubt, much less give up. A lot of philosophy doubts the concept, a really good, short read on the subject is Daniel Dennett's Elbow Room: The Varieties of Free Will worth Wanting. I think there's been some interesting threads in this sub-forum that address the subject, you could do a quick search and read through them. A lot of the latest neuro-science shows that we become aware of our decisions quickly after making them. After. Physics also points in this direction. Take the concept of now, relativity shows that now happens at different times for each of us, and is influenced by distance and motion. This short Nova clip shows more about the now concept, and how it is affected by motion -

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If physics shows that the past, present and future already exist (Hawking asks, 'why can we remember the past, but not the the future?'), where is there room for free will? By traveling toward us from Andromeda looking at the Earth, one would see far into our future. I could go on for pages, but the way I think of it is like this: If the past, present and future exist, we are like conscious characters in a book that's already been written. The characters in this book, under the illusion of linear time, think that they are making choices, but since the book is finished this couldn't be so. My buddy likes to point out that although the future is determined, it is not determinable to us, so the illusion of choice and free will will have to do...
 

NietzscheKeen

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I don't believe in free will. My views also differ slightly from Mr. Durden's (or at least it seems they do) as I also don't believe in fatalism/fate or in any sort of plan or end goal. We are slaves to our brains i.e. our biology and genes. We also live in a universe where nothing* happens in a vacuum. Therefore everything is effected by some prior cause no matter how minute. I suggest reading the book Chaos by James Gleick... I believe is his name. As humans we like to/ need to organize our world into patterns. Often there is so much "chaos" and "white noise" in our world that we can't pick up on patterns; sometimes they may not even exist at all. Sometimes we pick up on false patterns and superstitions arise... I'm getting sidetracked, lol.

Anyway, I don't believe we can call it FREE will if everything we do is effected by something else even by the slightest degree. There are experiments that supposedly prove that our mind has already decided what choices we will make before we are even aware that a decision has been made. Does this prove we have no free will? Possibly, but I'm not totally convinced by the interpretation of this research. But, you really don't need that research to understand that point I'm hopefully making. You are asked to choose between a red ball and a green ball. It seems you can pick either one.. and you can. But you pick a certain one and there are certainly underlying reasons as to why you picked that one and not the other.

Moreso, when we look at the behaviour of serial killers and people with impulse control we can see, once again, that even though we know something is wrong and we don't want to do it... we can't always control ourselves; we don't have the free will to stop an action or change our course. Take J. Dahmer, he knew killing was wrong, he didn't want to do it, and he felt bad about it. He wanted to stop, but he couldn't. Same with drugs and alcohol sometimes.

There are many medical cases you can read about if you're interested where people's minds made them do weird things. There was a man that developed an attraction to children. We was a good man and had never done anything like that before. He got arrested for child molestation and rape. While in prison they discovered a brain tumor. When they removed it, these desires for children stopped immediately. later he started having them again and the doctors found that they had missed some of the tumor and it had grown back. Once again they removed it and he went back to normal. Also there are many accounts of people having personality changes after a serious brain injury. Their likes and dislikes changed, their entire personality. Researchers and doctors have found, not so recently, that you can manipulate someones actions, what they see, hear, sense, even give them "psychic abilities" by introducing electrodes into their brains or simply by applying magnetic waves to the skull.

Cause and effect make it impossible for our will to ever be completely free. If we aren't completely free, in this respect, then we aren't free.
 

eye exaggerate

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Okay, so scientific law and personal deity God. It comes down to omnipotence. If God is all powerful then he can change laws and work miracles, he has limitless influence and authority. If God is the type who 'evolved' into the universe, if she sacrificed herself to birth reality, then maybe it had influence in the beginning but not now that things are in motion. Perhaps to circumvent this she decided to make consciousness and evolve it to the point of gaining control. The metaphysical inner-verse is not restricted by such laws by design so that it's not necessary to break the physical. Maybe science was part of the plan, an impeccable method of gaining control over nature, and in the meantime we are also intended to find a way to commune with nature so that the control we exert will coincide with her plan.

Or this could simply be a random unfalsifiable narrative I strung together in the last 30 seconds.
...would've been cool to see what you'd have come up with in 30 years :lol:

...I don't believe in things like 'the secret', most of that marketed stuff is more like 'the secrete'. Anyway, would thought (imagination) and evolution grow an arm back?
 

Mister Sister

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Free will vs. determinism seems like North Pole vs South Pole. Keep traveling North, and eventually you're heading South anyways.

The chicken is the egg, ya dig?

Kinda like that pic of the butterfly next to the pic of the starving kid. It's not fair to say that you can't see 'god' in both. Both are but a miniscule snapshot of a much longer story that runs through the past present and future. They represent one moment of infinite.

Spiritual enlightenment, I'll take all the help I can get. Come find me in the garden!
 
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