Seeds frm Feminized Seed Plants

[Sativa Dragon]

Fem seeds is all you have unless you want to cross the originals yourself from regulars. For instance, you'd cross Kashmir Hash Plant with Hindu Kush to get Vanilla Kush. Good luck finding the first one ;p.

It's not even close to being as simple as that.

 

[brotherjericho]

It's not even close to being as simple as that.

Yeah, I know....but I was just trying to say it is not worthwhile for most folks who just want to grow .

 

[Kite High]

And fems chemically induced carry no more survival trait dominance than the parents do...really should only say things you know and have done...not what you read somewhere or heard some one say

 

[Sativa Dragon]

This may be true of forcing a hermie on a regular, but what about a feminized? After all, that is how they got the fem seeds in the first place...

Also totally wrong, STS solution is used to block Ethylene which is a female growth hormone, this causes the male hormone to form pollen sacks with female chromosones. Stress causes hermies, Colloidal Sliver or STS blocks Ethylene.

 

[Adjorr]

we should just start calling female plants that have been stressed into making male flowers trannies instead of hermies so people will stop getting them confused
hermaphrodite: born with male and female organs
transexual: has changed there organs not there genetics

The seeds from a trannie plant are no more likely to carry hermie genes then any other seed, in fact they are probably less likely because they dont carry the male chromozone and by simple science cannot produce male flowers without being provoked.

that said accidents happen and people will get an occasional true hermie seed wheter they are using fem or regular dosent matter.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Just read your post Kite High, thanks for posting useful information.

Peace

 

[brotherjericho]

Also totally wrong, STS solution is used to block Ethylene which is a female growth hormone, this causes the male hormone to form pollen sacks with female chromosones. Stress causes hermies, Colloidal Sliver or STS blocks Ethylene.

Thus being a question and not a statement.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Also totally wrong, STS solution is used to block Ethylene which is a female growth hormone, this causes the male hormone to form pollen sacks with female chromosones. Stress causes hermies, Colloidal Sliver or STS blocks Ethylene.

After all, that is how they got the fem seeds in the first place...

I was refering to the above mentioned, that follows the question mark, Thus being a statment not a question, thou shalt feel free to comment upon my observation, thus defending thy position.

 

[Kite High]

main thing that needs to be discerned and recognized here which IMO feeds the confusion is the difference between chemically induced feminization, nd Rodelization given prominence mostly by the breeder known as Soma

Rodelization is the practice of allowing a sensi plant to flower to seceanance (sp?) which the survival trait or gene is triggered and miniscule pollen is produced. Since one needs to employ this trait for results it inadvertently encourages the dominance of the survival trait/gene which can lead to undesired premature triggering of the trait/gene.

Chemical induced feminization practices on the other hand does not employ nor encourage the dominance of the survival trait/gene. Rather it supplicates or replaces/blocks copper ions in the ethylene receptors. Without the copper ions presence the receptors cannot function and since they do not function no ethylene is detected so the female chromosome does not get triggered and male flowers/pollen is produced. Remember ethylene is a gaseous hormone so the receptors are the only route for triggering the female flower production. So now one can see that there is no botanical possibility for chemically induced pollen to promote the survival trait/gene so often by the misnomer of the hermie gene to dominance as it is in no way sought nor employed by the breeders.

I hope this sheds some understanding that is clearly needed in this area due to all the misconceptions.

 

[Kite High]

It's not even close to being as simple as that.

And just the damned over hyped totally false kush word would stop me from even considering it...but I am a dedicated trippy sativa fiend

 

[Sativa Dragon]

If you be that guy, I be that guy as well

 

[Cronnoisseur]

main thing that needs to be discerned and recognized here which IMO feeds the confusion is the difference between chemically induced feminization, nd Rodelization given prominence mostly by the breeder known as Soma

Rodelization is the practice of allowing a sensi plant to flower to seceanance (sp?) which the survival trait or gene is triggered and miniscule pollen is produced. Since one needs to employ this trait for results it inadvertently encourages the dominance of the survival trait/gene which can lead to undesired premature triggering of the trait/gene.

Chemical induced feminization practices on the other hand does not employ nor encourage the dominance of the survival trait/gene. Rather it supplicates or replaces/blocks copper ions in the ethylene receptors. Without the copper ions presence the receptors cannot function and since they do not function no ethylene is detected so the female chromosome does not get triggered and male flowers/pollen is produced. Remember ethylene is a gaseous hormone so the receptors are the only route for triggering the female flower production. So now one can see that there is no botanical possibility for chemically induced pollen to promote the survival trait/gene so often by the misnomer of the hermie gene to dominance as it is in no way sought nor employed by the breeders.

I hope this sheds some understanding that is clearly needed in this area due to all the misconceptions.

So to make things clear, you are saying if a plant is stressed into hermie without chemicals then its own seeds WILL be more likely to herm since this was the survival trait?

But if you herm them with chemicals its own seeds will not have any more likelihood to herm than any other?

And if this is true does that mean that a plant that hermed without chemicals pollinates a different female plant would the seeds from the female be more likely to herm as well or would they be feminized?


I have some seeds from a situation like this from 2 amazing strains and would like to use them but would like to hear your thoughts!

thanks

 

[Kite High]

I stated that it is likely to attenuate the survival gene dominance. However highly unlikely to do so in one crossing unless on of the parents triggers survival trait too early then that chance is carried through. The chems do not stress the plant btw.

 

[Trousers]

In any case, from what I understand (very little), self-pollinating will likely result in a higher likelihood of future hermies. So if you force it, don't pollinate the same plant or clones from said plant.

No. To start, self pollinating is hard to pull off. Breeders self or back cross marijuana all the time.

As adjor mentioned, it is not correct to call a female plant that shows male flowers a hermie. I have been calling them shemales, but I like his idea of calling them trannies instead.

again, the resulting seeds would be very similar to the parent and just as likely to become a trannie under similar conditions.

hermie a plant if you want seeds, 90% of the seeds will be fem

No. You should not give advice about something you do not understand. I'm not even going to ask what the other 10% would be.
Properly made feminized seeds are make 99.9999999999% female plants.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

So to make things clear, you are saying if a plant is stressed into hermie without chemicals then its own seeds WILL be more likely to herm since this was the survival trait?

But if you herm them with chemicals its own seeds will not have any more likelihood to herm than any other?

And if this is true does that mean that a plant that hermed without chemicals pollinates a different female plant would the seeds from the female be more likely to herm as well or would they be feminized?


I have some seeds from a situation like this from 2 amazing strains and would like to use them but would like to hear your thoughts!

thanks

The plant is not "stressed" to hermie with chemicals, the chemicals block the hormone that produces female flowers, enabling male pollen sacs to form with the female chromosones along for the ride. They are not hermies. A plant strressed will produce hermies as a survival mechanism. There is no natural occuring chemical in nature that blocks ethylene, it is a man made chemical and it is a man made shemale. For the purposes of our end.

 

[HappyMan420]

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