Very important question I need answers about my tube material
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vacpurge
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just use the proper shit for christ sake. sounds like you already have more time and money invested making home made ones than it would cost for a proper one. BHO is not something to be taking shortcuts on, anywhere during the process. youre either going to produce a shitty oil that damages peoples lungs, or blow the house up. do it right or dont do it at all. theres your answer. I said what those 22 people were thinking but too nice to say.
I don't need your negative input I am asking a question I want a straight answer to... I know to use glass or stainless but it is costly! I wanna know of I can get by using what I said... I am not damaging people's lungs I smoke it personal not have had any negative effects agitating and using only hot water... I'm just getting people's Input on ideas I do. It have money or time invested I actually am poor as shit! So if. I can get a straight answer in whether it not galvanized steel is okay?!!! Simple question I know what is supposed to be used just not trying to spend 100$ I don't have! I am fine buying a smaller ABS TUBE and doing it the way I have been taught and been doing it works just fine no problems!
Fadedawg
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ABS shows minor deterioration and discoloration in butane service by the Cole Palmer Chemical Compatability charts at http://www.coleparmer.com/Chemical-Resistance and is rated as good. I prefer to use stuff that has zero effects when I'm ingesting something.
Zinc is compatable with n-Butane http://www.spectragases.com/content/upload/AssetMgmt/PDFs/literature/LIT_MaterialCompatibilityChart_090607.pdf, but it it rubs or flakes off it it is can cause health issues,
Routes of Entry: Inhalation. Ingestion.
Toxicity to Animals:
LD50: Not available. LC50: Not available.
Chronic Effects on Humans: Not available.
Other Toxic Effects on Humans: Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation.
Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: Not available.
Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans: Not available.
Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans:
Acute Potential Health Effects: Skin: May cause skin irritation. Dermal exposure to zinc may produce leg pains, fatigue,
anorexia and weight loss. Eyes: May cause eye irritation. Ingestion: May be harmul if swallowed. May cause digestive tract
irritation with tightness in throat, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, malaise, abdominal pain. fever, and chills.
May affect behavior/central nervous system and autonomic nervous system with ataxia, lethargy, staggering gait, mild
derrangement in cerebellar function, lightheadness, dizzness, irritability, muscular stiffness, and pain. May also affect blood.
Inhalation: Inhalation of zinc dust or fumes may cause respiratory tract and mucous membrane irritation with cough and chest
pain. It can also cause "metal fume fever", a flu-like condition characterized appearance of chills, headached fever, maliase,
fatigue, sweating, extreme thirst, aches in the legs and chest, and difficulty in breathing. A sweet taste may also be be present
in metal fume fever, as well as a dry throat, aches, nausea, and vomiting, and pale grey cyanosis. The toxicological properties
of this substance have not been fully investisgated.
Fadedawg
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I just picked up four stainless thermoses at Goodwill for $4.99 each...............
vacpurge
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if all you can find is a 100$ extractor, you need to do more reading and less beaking.
a 2 second search on ebay found a glass extractor for 6$. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-BHO-Extractor-Tube-for-honey-oil-concentrates-wax-budder-40g-/121096671990?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c31ec92f6
and like fadedawg mentioned, thermoses can be found for 5$.
a honey bee extractor (one I use. 2 years with it. works awesome) 22$: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Original-HoneyBee-Extractor-Honey-Oil-Extractors-Honey-Bee-Free-Shipping-New-/150908987643?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2322e068fb
a 2 second search on ebay found a glass extractor for 6$. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-BHO-Extractor-Tube-for-honey-oil-concentrates-wax-budder-40g-/121096671990?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c31ec92f6
and like fadedawg mentioned, thermoses can be found for 5$.
a honey bee extractor (one I use. 2 years with it. works awesome) 22$: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Original-HoneyBee-Extractor-Honey-Oil-Extractors-Honey-Bee-Free-Shipping-New-/150908987643?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2322e068fb
fearnoevil
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- EDIT - This is re-posted from another thread, but I feel it's important enough to set the record straight wherever possible. IMO, the "purists" out there can smoke a dick for all I care, lol. For the average Joe a simple galvanized pipe extractor is CHEAP, EASY and SAFE to use when executed properly, and more time and effort should be directed at making sure people follow SAFE OPERATING PROCEDURES when doing an extraction.
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Okay, here's the scoop on Butane -vs- Galvanized Steel.
IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO USE GALVANIZED PIPE IN YOUR HONEY OIL EXTRACTION APPARATUS!
Been doing it for YEARS, as in since the 1980's, and NEVER had any complaints and NEVER felt any ill effects from any of the oil's produced using galvanized pipes. And I was a welder too and so absolutely understand the toxic problems associated with breathing in zinc oxide fumes.
BUT to be clear, first off there is no heat involved in the extraction process (and believe me it takes a LOT of heat in order to burn zinc oxide). Second, butane does NOT react with galvanized steel and so there is zero probability that the any zinc will leach out in the extraction process (especially considering how short a span of time is involved in a BHO extraction). Third, even if you failed to clean your galvanized parts prior to using them (not the most brilliant move) any minute amount of zinc oxide that might exist on the inner walls will be negligible, and HIGHLY unlikely to cause you ANY harm, especially considering how little anyone would ingest at one sitting (seriously, I don't care how big a stoner you are,).
So the alarmists running around with their hair on fire with all their dire warnings basically don't understand what they're talking about or don't have a firm grasp on the process that takes place during a butane extraction and/or smoking it afterwards, lol. All the talk about "metal fume fever" is ridiculous! This is an OCCASSIONAL, TEMPORARY affliction of welders and foundry workers who are accutely exposed to far greater amounts than ANYONE who's smoking BHO, AND there's no long-term damage even if you did (BUT YOU WON'T, got it?). Seriously, people really need to KNOW what the hell they're talking about, not just Google stuff and then run around acting like Chicken Little. Seriously.
Lest you doubt the veracity of my claim about butane reacting with galvanized steel, here's a short list of substances and whether they corrode or otherwise react with it.
Compatibility of galvanized coatings with various media
Compatibility of galvanized coatings with various media is
summarised in the table below.
Aerosol propellants _________________excellent
Acid solutions weak, cold quiescent_____fair
strong____________________________not recommended
Alcohols anhydrous_________________good
water mixtures_____________________not recommended
beverages_________________________not recommended
Alkaline solutions up to pH 12.5________fair
strong____________________________not recommended
Carbon tetrachloride_________________excellent
Cleaning solvents___________________excellent
chlorofluorocarbon__________________excellent
Detergents inhibited_________________good
Diesel oil sulphur free________________excellent
Fuel oil sulphur free_________________excellent
Gas* natural, propane, BUTANE_______excellent
Glycerine_________________________excellent
Lubricants mineral, acid free__________excellent
organic__________________________not recommended
Paraffin__________________________excellent
Perchlorethylene___________________excellent
Refrigerants chlorofluorocarbon________excellent
Soaps ___________________________good
Trichlorethylene____________________excellent
.
JointOperation
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i totally agree .. if your selling this product or smoking with others.. then buy the vacuum.. and chamber.. a heating source.. and all the other ness items to make a nice oil. if not. dont bother.. just ur better off making bubble bag hash.
Fadedawg
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I highly advise against using zinc coated pipes to extract BHO with and wonder who originally produced the chart????
Zinc is a strong reducing agent, readily donating ions where they are in contact with material looking for them.
It isn't the butane, it is what is in both the butane and the resins being extracted. Butane is a stable fully saturated simple alkane, but the aromatic alkenes being extracted are most certainly not, and butane still contains sulfur compounds at low levels, which never the less attack zinc, liberating free zinc ions into the solvent stream.
Some of the terpenes will strip paint and deoxidize metal surfaces, so I encourage ya'll to not take them lightly.
Zinc is a strong reducing agent, readily donating ions where they are in contact with material looking for them.
It isn't the butane, it is what is in both the butane and the resins being extracted. Butane is a stable fully saturated simple alkane, but the aromatic alkenes being extracted are most certainly not, and butane still contains sulfur compounds at low levels, which never the less attack zinc, liberating free zinc ions into the solvent stream.
Some of the terpenes will strip paint and deoxidize metal surfaces, so I encourage ya'll to not take them lightly.
* * * *
Okay, here's the scoop on Butane -vs- Galvanized Steel.
IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO USE GALVANIZED PIPE IN YOUR HONEY OIL EXTRACTION APPARATUS!
Been doing it for YEARS, as in since the 1980's, and NEVER had any complaints and NEVER felt any ill effects from any of the oil's produced using galvanized pipes. And I was a welder too and so absolutely understand the toxic problems associated with breathing in zinc oxide fumes.
BUT to be clear, first off there is no heat involved in the extraction process (and believe me it takes a LOT of heat in order to burn zinc oxide). Second, butane does NOT react with galvanized steel and so there is zero probability that the any zinc will leach out in the extraction process (especially considering how short a span of time is involved in a BHO extraction). Third, even if you failed to clean your galvanized parts prior to using them (not the most brilliant move) any minute amount of zinc oxide that might exist on the inner walls will be negligible, and HIGHLY unlikely to cause you ANY harm, especially considering how little anyone would ingest at one sitting (seriously, I don't care how big a stoner you are,).
So the alarmists running around with their hair on fire with all their dire warnings basically don't understand what they're talking about or don't have a firm grasp on the process that takes place during a butane extraction and/or smoking it afterwards, lol. All the talk about "metal fume fever" is ridiculous! This is an OCCASSIONAL, TEMPORARY affliction of welders and foundry workers who are accutely exposed to far greater amounts than ANYONE who's smoking BHO, AND there's no long-term damage even if you did (BUT YOU WON'T, got it?). Seriously, people really need to KNOW what the hell they're talking about, not just Google stuff and then run around acting like Chicken Little. Seriously.
Lest you doubt the veracity of my claim about butane reacting with galvanized steel, here's a short list of substances and whether they corrode or otherwise react with it.
Compatibility of galvanized coatings with various media
Compatibility of galvanized coatings with various media is
summarised in the table below.
Aerosol propellants _________________excellent
Acid solutions weak, cold quiescent_____fair
strong____________________________not recommended
Alcohols anhydrous_________________good
water mixtures_____________________not recommended
beverages_________________________not recommended
Alkaline solutions up to pH 12.5________fair
strong____________________________not recommended
Carbon tetrachloride_________________excellent
Cleaning solvents___________________excellent
chlorofluorocarbon__________________excellent
Detergents inhibited_________________good
Diesel oil sulphur free________________excellent
Fuel oil sulphur free_________________excellent
Gas* natural, propane, BUTANE_______excellent
Glycerine_________________________excellent
Lubricants mineral, acid free__________excellent
organic__________________________not recommended
Paraffin__________________________excellent
Perchlorethylene___________________excellent
Refrigerants chlorofluorocarbon________excellent
Soaps ___________________________good
Trichlorethylene____________________excellent
.
fearnoevil
Well-Known Member
That chart is from industrial manufacturing data required by law, like an MSDS so that end users know what to expect in their particular applications. And for all your assumed knowledge, you have NO PROOF, just your suppositions. And again, for the average user (NOT anyone producing commercial quantities, that goes without saying) galvanized steel piping IS JUST FINE! The incredibly SHORT amount of time that is involved in the process is KEY, as there is not enough time for the process to significantly react with the zinc coatings. DO YOUR RESEARCH and find me some REAL DATA, or keep your suppositions to yourself. What you believe and what's real are probably two different things.
Why should anyone take the chance of using something that can be harmful when it's very easy to just use a material that is proven to be safe with butane like glass or stainless steel.
And you are contradictory and condescending in your post. You're the one who should keep your comments to themselves' for telling people to use something that ISN'T proven safe.
Probably my last choice would be any plastic or a galvanized steel.
Fadedawg
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Yeah, that is the problem with incompetence, the deeper it is, the less able we are to tell just how incompetent we are on a given subject.
I accept your attack and recriminations as evidence that you recognize that you are the one who hasn't done the research, or you wouldn't feel so threatened, and your belief that you are in a position to tell me to keep my suppositions to myself as further evidence that you are delusional.
Had you actually researched the subject, were not so naive as to be easily misled by a sales bochure, you would know that manufacturers are not required by law to tell what does and does not react with their galvanized coating and not be trying to further mislead folks as gullible as you are.
Had you done minimal research yourself on materials suitable for contact with the range terpenes in cannabis, we would not be having this conversation and you would not be advising brothers and sisters to commit unsafe acts.
May I suggest that you check with the third party lab listings for the suitability of zinc where there are Ph differences or any solution looking ions like some of the plant terpenes, and try to even find one of them even listing it as a candidate.
The reason that zinc is not listed is because what you are suggesting is so outlandish as to make technocrats cover their faces and look away in embarrassment for you, and you want to draw a line in the sand??????????????
PS: Every wonder why they picked zinc for batteries???